Hurry-Up Offense Will Gas Our O-Line

[PlayerRep]

For the defense, it's the number of plays, combined with how fast the plays are run, combined with the number of defensive substitutions (both by series and during series).

If Stitt's offense has good TOP, then it will mean that the UM defense won't be on the field as much. And, since most opposing teams won't be running a hurry-up offense, this would be good for the UM defense because they won't have to defend as many plays. More TOP b Stitt's offense would also likely mean longer drives, giving the UM defense more time to rest between plays.

TOP is not meaningless, but I agree that one has to dig deeper than TOP to figure out what happened in a game.

But when you play fast, you score fast and your opponents get just as many possessions as you do. As your increased rate of play results in more possessions for yourself, the same is true for your opponent.

SIMPLY. NOT. TRUE. Playing FAST <> scoring fast. This is simply a logical fallacy that has been disproven here many times.

Really? Isn't that the point of tempo?

Stitt says his offense is designed to move the chains, not to score quickly or score on long plays. Going for it on 4th down is intended to move the chains and extend drives, not score quickly.

 

[Sam A. Blitz]

When somebody goes on to a message board and brags about hanging out with people and ex-griz players, all that really says is that they are full of shit...

Saying that, I do think the lack of depth on the OL is a concern and I do think it helps this offense when you have the confidence in 2nd team OLmen to send them in for a series. I'm more concerned about having injuries and not having the depth to step up.

I still think we will have a good first year under Stitt. He's a good enough OC to be able to mask some weaknesses and call plays to take advantage of strengths. He's had to do that at Mines due to his recruiting restrictions (academic requirements) there.

Atlanta Griz. You are a pedestrian fan. There is no such thing as a professional fan... Try to remember that all of us on here are merely fans and none of us know an ounce of what Stitt and Germer know about our OL, even the ones that did play college ball... The fact that anyone would come on here and puff their chest out of knowing more about football than "pedestrian fans" and then throwing a hissy fit when they don't agree with you is juvenile. Grow up or get another hobby...

 

[grizindabox]

For the defense, it's the number of plays, combined with how fast the plays are run, combined with the number of defensive substitutions (both by series and during series).

If Stitt's offense has good TOP, then it will mean that the UM defense won't be on the field as much. And, since most opposing teams won't be running a hurry-up offense, this would be good for the UM defense because they won't have to defend as many plays. More TOP b Stitt's offense would also likely mean longer drives, giving the UM defense more time to rest between plays.

TOP is not meaningless, but I agree that one has to dig deeper than TOP to figure out what happened in a game.

But when you play fast, you score fast and your opponents get just as many possessions as you do. As your increased rate of play results in more possessions for yourself, the same is true for your opponent.

SIMPLY. NOT. TRUE. Playing FAST <> scoring fast. This is simply a logical fallacy that has been disproven here many times.

Really? Isn't that the point of tempo?

TOP for CSM last season 31:44 to 28:16. So even with the hurry up Stitt offense, CSM had the ball more than the opponent. Also, as many possessions does not mean the same TOP or number of plays.
The season prior CSM had TOP of 32:53.

 

[LongTimeCatFan]

But when you play fast, you score fast and your opponents get just as many possessions as you do. As your increased rate of play results in more possessions for yourself, the same is true for your opponent.

SIMPLY. NOT. TRUE. Playing FAST <> scoring fast. This is simply a logical fallacy that has been disproven here many times.

Really? Isn't that the point of tempo?

Stitt says his offense is designed to move the chains, not to score quickly or score on long plays. Going for it on 4th down is intended to move the chains and extend drives, not score quickly.

I'm sure that's what he says when everyone is playing soft cover 2.

Try stacking the box and play bump and run and see if he's singing the same tune. Betcha he airs it out.

 

[LongTimeCatFan]

But when you play fast, you score fast and your opponents get just as many possessions as you do. As your increased rate of play results in more possessions for yourself, the same is true for your opponent.

SIMPLY. NOT. TRUE. Playing FAST <> scoring fast. This is simply a logical fallacy that has been disproven here many times.

Really? Isn't that the point of tempo?

TOP for CSM last season 31:44 to 28:16. So even with the hurry up Stitt offense, CSM had the ball more than the opponent. Also, as many possessions does not mean the same TOP or number of plays.
The season prior CSM had TOP of 32:53.

I'm pretty sure MSU's TOP stats looked like that too, but the DL was gassed every game.

You'll see.

 

[Griz!ron]

The number of plays is probably a more important Stats than the time of possession. At least if you are talking about wearing the opponent out. A long ToP and a low number of plays just means that you are taking a long time between plays. Good for running the clock out at the end of a game. More plays, more the D has to run around, more likely they'll wear down, more likely your run game is to work.

 

[grizindabox]

SIMPLY. NOT. TRUE. Playing FAST <> scoring fast. This is simply a logical fallacy that has been disproven here many times.

Really? Isn't that the point of tempo?

TOP for CSM last season 31:44 to 28:16. So even with the hurry up Stitt offense, CSM had the ball more than the opponent. Also, as many possessions does not mean the same TOP or number of plays.
The season prior CSM had TOP of 32:53.

I'm pretty sure MSU's TOP stats looked like that too, but the DL was gassed every game.

You'll see.

Hell, the Griz TOP last season was 28:09. MSU was 31:46. I think you are trying to make generalized assumptions just because of what you believe hurry up means.

 

[Umista]

I'll side with Trump. Long time scat fan is stupid and makes dumb estimates about things he has little idea about. No wonder the msu football fans look and act slow.
TOP and quick are NOT the same!
Fast and TOP do not equal squat.
Some are way to slow to grasp Stitt's offense.
Perhaps after they watch the Griz for an entire season some dummies will finally get it!
After the Griz play our game (our way) some may think they saw a ghost...

 

[LongTimeCatFan]

Really? Isn't that the point of tempo?

TOP for CSM last season 31:44 to 28:16. So even with the hurry up Stitt offense, CSM had the ball more than the opponent. Also, as many possessions does not mean the same TOP or number of plays.
The season prior CSM had TOP of 32:53.

I'm pretty sure MSU's TOP stats looked like that too, but the DL was gassed every game.

You'll see.

Hell, the Griz TOP last season was 28:09. MSU was 31:46. I think you are trying to make generalized assumptions just because of what you believe hurry up means.

I think you're grasping at straws because you've clearly never played the game at a high level.

Neither have I, but I do know what hurry up means and have seen the consequences of running such an offense to both sides of the ball.

 

[grizindabox]

Longtimecatfan...so you have watched a game coached by Stitt?

You want to make it sound like the Griz defense will be on the field for 45 minutes per game because they want to be a hurry-up offense, which you want to think means 2 minute drives...

 

[LongTimeCatFan]

I'll side with Trump. Long time scat fan is stupid and makes dumb estimates about things he has little idea about. No wonder the msu football fans look and act slow.
TOP and quick are NOT the same!
Fast and TOP do not equal squat.
Some are way to slow to grasp Stitt's offense.
Perhaps after they watch the Griz for an entire season some dummies will finally get it!
After the Griz play our game (our way) some may think they saw a ghost...

Umista... The Uncle Si of egriz

 

[PlayerRep]

SIMPLY. NOT. TRUE. Playing FAST <> scoring fast. This is simply a logical fallacy that has been disproven here many times.

Really? Isn't that the point of tempo?

Stitt says his offense is designed to move the chains, not to score quickly or score on long plays. Going for it on 4th down is intended to move the chains and extend drives, not score quickly.

I'm sure that's what he says when everyone is playing soft cover 2.

Try stacking the box and play bump and run and see if he's singing the same tune. Betcha he airs it out.

You're suggesting that defenses will pack the box to stop a spead passing attack? Are you serious? Do you know what packing the box is, and where the box is?

 

[LongTimeCatFan]

Longtimecatfan...so you have watched a game coached by Stitt?

You want to make it sound like the Griz defense will be on the field for 45 minutes per game because they want to be a hurry-up offense, which you want to think means 2 minute drives...

No I haven't, but I don't need to in order to know what's going to happen when a guy thinks he can run, was it 100?, plays per game.

I highly doubt you'll see a 45/15 split on TOP, and if you think that's what I'm saying, you're missing it.

It's the number of plays, not the duration that wears out the defense. By the 4th qtr, it's who's got more stamina and endurance.

If you're gunning for 100 plays on offense, you better have a defense that can play for 100 plays as well.

Every game turns into a shoot out.

You'll see.

 

[grizindabox]

Longinthetoothcatfan, let me explain it this way. This is your post from before

"But when you play fast, you score fast and your opponents get just as many possessions as you do. As your increased rate of play results in more possessions for yourself, the same is true for your opponent."

Lets say both teams have the same number of possessions and each have 30 minutes TOP. The Griz hurry-up and run a play every 20 seconds...that would be 90 plays. The opponent runs a play every 30 seconds...that would be 60 plays. So even though both teams have the same number of possessions and the same TOP, one team is playing defense for 30 more plays.

I know, I know...pretty hard to grasp actual math...

 

[LongTimeCatFan]

Really? Isn't that the point of tempo?

Stitt says his offense is designed to move the chains, not to score quickly or score on long plays. Going for it on 4th down is intended to move the chains and extend drives, not score quickly.

I'm sure that's what he says when everyone is playing soft cover 2.

Try stacking the box and play bump and run and see if he's singing the same tune. Betcha he airs it out.

You're suggesting that defenses will pack the box to stop a spead passing attack? Are you serious? Do you know what packing the box is, and where the box is?

You made it two posts without being an ass hat. Good for you.

 

[XxSpectrexX]

If you look at the conference as a whole everyone has depth issues and it'll boil down to making big plays. We all know what the recruiting priority is for us. All the kiddo's being recruited will be watching this seasons game play...especially the NDSU game. We've targeted kids with multiple offers and a lot of them are window shopping...same story at the other schools. This season will be a learning curve I'm sure, but I'm pretty sure they've done their best to whip the boys into shape in anticipation of a fast paced O.

 

[LongTimeCatFan]

Longinthetoothcatfan, let me explain it this way. This is your post from before

"But when you play fast, you score fast and your opponents get just as many possessions as you do. As your increased rate of play results in more possessions for yourself, the same is true for your opponent."

Lets say both teams have the same number of possessions and each have 30 minutes TOP. The Griz hurry-up and run a play every 20 seconds...that would be 90 plays. The opponent runs a play every 30 seconds...that would be 60 plays. So even though both teams have the same number of possessions and the same TOP, one team is playing defense for 30 more plays.

I know, I know...pretty hard to grasp actual math...

Except EWU, SSU, MSU, and ISU are all ALREADY doing this so your opponent is running plays AT THE SAME RATE.

Math IS hard. Are you sure you didn't graduate from EWU?

 

[PlayerRep]

Longtimecatfan...so you have watched a game coached by Stitt?

You want to make it sound like the Griz defense will be on the field for 45 minutes per game because they want to be a hurry-up offense, which you want to think means 2 minute drives...

No I haven't, but I don't need to in order to know what's going to happen when a guy thinks he can run, was it 100?, plays per game.

I highly doubt you'll see a 45/15 split on TOP, and if you think that's what I'm saying, you're missing it.

It's the number of plays, not the duration that wears out the defense. By the 4th qtr, it's who's got more stamina and endurance.

If you're gunning for 100 plays on offense, you better have a defense that can play for 100 plays as well.

Every game turns into a shoot out.

You'll see.

Man, you really don't get it. Generally, if one team runs the hurry-up and lots of plays, say 90, and the other team doesn't run a hurry-up, chances are that the team not running the hurry-up will run far fewer plays. Look at Box's post. He laid it out for you.

 

[LongTimeCatFan]

Longtimecatfan...so you have watched a game coached by Stitt?

You want to make it sound like the Griz defense will be on the field for 45 minutes per game because they want to be a hurry-up offense, which you want to think means 2 minute drives...

No I haven't, but I don't need to in order to know what's going to happen when a guy thinks he can run, was it 100?, plays per game.

I highly doubt you'll see a 45/15 split on TOP, and if you think that's what I'm saying, you're missing it.

It's the number of plays, not the duration that wears out the defense. By the 4th qtr, it's who's got more stamina and endurance.

If you're gunning for 100 plays on offense, you better have a defense that can play for 100 plays as well.

Every game turns into a shoot out.

You'll see.

Man, you really don't get it. Generally, if one team runs the hurry-up and lots of plays, say 90, and the other team doesn't run a hurry-up, chances are that the team not running the hurry-up will run far fewer plays. Look at Box's post. He laid it out for you.

And the only teams not running hurry up in our conference are the shitty ones so.... :shrug:

I forgot Cal Poly runs tempo too.

 

[grizindabox]

Longinthetoothcatfan, let me explain it this way. This is your post from before

"But when you play fast, you score fast and your opponents get just as many possessions as you do. As your increased rate of play results in more possessions for yourself, the same is true for your opponent."

Lets say both teams have the same number of possessions and each have 30 minutes TOP. The Griz hurry-up and run a play every 20 seconds...that would be 90 plays. The opponent runs a play every 30 seconds...that would be 60 plays. So even though both teams have the same number of possessions and the same TOP, one team is playing defense for 30 more plays.

I know, I know...pretty hard to grasp actual math...

Except EWU, SSU, MSU, and ISU are all ALREADY doing this so your opponent is running plays AT THE SAME RATE.

Math IS hard. Are you sure you didn't graduate from EWU?

I give up, you are too stubborn to realize the rational behind your argument is flawed.