Hurry-Up Offense Will Gas Our O-Line

[Atlanta Griz1]

Weird. I didn't see "Dill" on the list of coaching finalists. What was Haslam thinking? :lol: :lol: :lol:

Oh, that was really funny. You should get an agent and stop handling yourself.

 

[mcg]

I'd say if the Griz run 100 plays it is pretty likely the Griz win.

 

[Paytonlives]

Can you imagine playing O-line for Stitt and having to run 90-100 plays each game? That is what our O-line will be expected to do this season, and all it will accomplish is wearing them out early in the second half. We need to rotate in 3-4 O-linemen to keep them fresh, but if we do, it will be a disaster. The quality depth just is not there this season.

Oh, and you can forget about having a 1000-yard rusher this season. This line would have trouble blocking a high school D-line in the running game. We will be relegated to passing the ball much more than even Stitt wants to do.

You can blame Delaney and Lurch for the pitiful recruiting of linemen the past 3 years.

You do realize that a lot of HS teams and College teams already do this...

I suppose you would rather go back to the Donovan "wishbone"?

 

[Paytonlives]

I am the rare realist on this board. Now, I hang out with many knowledgeable Griz fans, including several former Griz players. They share most of my concerns. But, since this board likes to think that the Griz are still a national power, even though they can't even win the weak Big Sky conference now, then you boys keep swilling the Kool-Aid. To answer your question, I was happy every season from 1994 until 2009 pre-season. Not so much now. And, I will not be happy until we return to being an elite program. That will not happen this year or next, for certain.

If you were a realist you would know how stupid you sound...

Your def of national power leaves a lot to be desired. Since you are so brilliant when was the last time the Griz finished outside the top 20 in the nation?

I will help you out 1 FRIGGIN Time in this century! Is there any other school in College football that can say that?

10 Top 10 finishes
5 Finishes from 10-20

Ill help you:
2015 #12
2014 #12
2013 #8
2012 NR
2011 #7
2010 #20
2009 #2
2008 #2
2007 #10
2006 #3
2005 #12
2004 #2
2003 #14
2002 #7
2001 #1
2000 #2

Its OK to have an opinion, but at least think about it more then a drunken night at reds!

 

[grizindabox]

If we are running 90-100 plays, yes the O Line will be pretty tired, but guess what, so will the D-Line and absolutely more so. The O-Line doesn't have to try and chase down somebody every play and make a tackle.

Ahhhh, but what if the opposing team has depth at the D-line position, and can rotate players in to keep them fresh. Then who loses?????? An offense which prides itself on trying to run 100 plays per game is not the offense to have zero depth on the O-line, that's a given.

Show me a Big Sky team with that kind of depth on D-Line. I will love any of them to rotate in their second stringers. Remember, ideally, they will be having a difficult time subbing players during drives. If they do get someone in, it's hard to know wtf your supposed to do. We aren't going against Ohio State here, that depth doesn't exist.

EWU, MSU, and NAU have better second string D-linemen than our second string O-linemen. NDSU and Liberty do too. They are the teams we worry about, and it will be a factor. Remember, with our injuries, we will be playing kids who are young, inexperienced, and in some cases way down on the depth chart. Watch and see.

Are you saying that the second string defensive lineman at each of those schools would make better offensive lineman than what the Griz have on their second string offensive line?

 

[Griz90]

I posed this issue to Coach Stitt during a round of golf and his answer was very informative as to his philosophy. For starters the o-line does not have to chase down a ball carrier - wether it be run or pass -while the d-line does. An o-lineman has to lay down his block and hustle to the next line of scrimmage. A D-lineman has to chase the play till the whistle blows. The o-line coach is tasked with watching his line closely during the game and when they appear to be getting tired he passes that info on to Stitt who said he then will call one of his more than 20 versions of the wide receiver screen. When the wide receiver screen is called the o-line has to hold its block for about two seconds while the d-line has to sprint to the sideline and chase the play..and sprint back to the new line of scrimmage because of the speed of which the next play is called. Stitt expects to have the offense lined up 17-20 seconds after the whistle is blown on the previous play. Basically when a wide receiver screen is called the d-line has to run two 20yd sprints and then be lined up for the next play. Stitt said he will often call the screen to the wide side of the field to make the D run even farther. Part of the reason he goes for it on fourth down is to "mind f&@k" the defense. He loves the look on the defenders' faces when they get all jacked up after stopping the offense on third down and then realize they have to defend a fourth down. Even better, he says, is when a defensive coordinate wants to change personnel on a third down play and the defensive players refuse to do,it because thy are too tired to run to the sideline. He told me he sees that a lot. Coach Stitt has been running this offense a long time and is definitely conscious of its impact on his linemen. They will be well conditioned and ready to run an uptempo offense and execute 90+ plays a game.

So I have to choose between your detail oriented, rational, excellent post or growlers flatus.......

That was 100% coach speak. How did The Mines EVER lose a freakin' game, I tell ya! Every team in America should play golf with coach Stitt and get educated on offensive football!

Well, yeah, that was 100% coach speak.. I was talking to a coach...and providing info directly related to the topic you posted. That is the offensive approach the new Griz coach, - you know, the one hired by our Athletic Director- has used for his entire career so that's how he plans to handle the concerns you raised. If you are so worried about the new coach's philosophy and disagree with it so vehemently why don't you simply find a new team to be a "fan" of and tear down that team instead of the one we love and support here on eGriz. I am not a just a "fan" of the Griz, I'm an active booster and I can't stand the damn drama you seem to love. You asked a question and I answered it. Apparently you are smarter than the new coach so, maybe you should get a job coaching football. I'm guessing that ain't gonna happen so maybe you, and all the rest of us, should just sit back and let the new coach do his job and see what happens before we start throwing darts at him. I don't profess to know if it will work or not. I was just providing info directly from the coach's mouth on the topic you brought up. Leave me out of your friggin drama!

 

[AllWeatherFan]

Owned.

 

[Griz!ron]

I posed this issue to Coach Stitt during a round of golf and his answer was very informative as to his philosophy. For starters the o-line does not have to chase down a ball carrier - wether it be run or pass -while the d-line does. An o-lineman has to lay down his block and hustle to the next line of scrimmage. A D-lineman has to chase the play till the whistle blows. The o-line coach is tasked with watching his line closely during the game and when they appear to be getting tired he passes that info on to Stitt who said he then will call one of his more than 20 versions of the wide receiver screen. When the wide receiver screen is called the o-line has to hold its block for about two seconds while the d-line has to sprint to the sideline and chase the play..and sprint back to the new line of scrimmage because of the speed of which the next play is called. Stitt expects to have the offense lined up 17-20 seconds after the whistle is blown on the previous play. Basically when a wide receiver screen is called the d-line has to run two 20yd sprints and then be lined up for the next play. Stitt said he will often call the screen to the wide side of the field to make the D run even farther. Part of the reason he goes for it on fourth down is to "mind f&@k" the defense. He loves the look on the defenders' faces when they get all jacked up after stopping the offense on third down and then realize they have to defend a fourth down. Even better, he says, is when a defensive coordinate wants to change personnel on a third down play and the defensive players refuse to do,it because thy are too tired to run to the sideline. He told me he sees that a lot. Coach Stitt has been running this offense a long time and is definitely conscious of its impact on his linemen. They will be well conditioned and ready to run an uptempo offense and execute 90+ plays a game.

Definitive Post. :clap: I am looking forward to watching this happen on film.

 

[LongTimeCatFan]

It's not the OL I'd worry about getting gassed as a result of more plays. When you run your shit that fast, you create more possessions, not only for yourself, but for your opponent as well.

I'd worry about your D line getting gassed, not the OL.

 

[Htowngriz]

It's not the OL I'd worry about getting gassed as a result of more plays. When you run your shit that fast, you create more possessions, not only for yourself, but for your opponent as well.

I'd worry about your D line getting gassed, not the OL.

Time of possession is the concern, not the number of them. And the defense has some modicum of control over how long the other offense controls the ball.

 

[Griz90]

It's not the OL I'd worry about getting gassed as a result of more plays. When you run your shit that fast, you create more possessions, not only for yourself, but for your opponent as well.

I'd worry about your D line getting gassed, not the OL.

Time of possession is the concern, not the number of them. And the defense has some modicum of control over how long the other offense controls the ball.

Coach Stitt's offenses have regularily finished the season near the top of the rankings in time of possession. When you go for it on fourth down and get it you extend your drives. When you go for it on fourth down and fail you give the opposing offense a short field and, in theory, a short time of possession. Again, I don't know if it will work here in the Big Sky and FCS, but that is our new coach's philosophy. Win, lose or draw, it's going to be an exciting brand of football to watch. I, for one, am excited to see it and hope it works for us. I will withhold judgement until I have actually seen it in action over the course of an entire season. I will not throw rocks if we stumble out of the gates and will do my best not to be overly enthusiastic if we start out successfully. I believe any new coach deserves a full year to get his system up and running before throwing rocks...or bouquets of flowers. Let's see what happens and in the mean time let's hope for the best. GO GRIZ!

 

[LongTimeCatFan]

It's not the OL I'd worry about getting gassed as a result of more plays. When you run your shit that fast, you create more possessions, not only for yourself, but for your opponent as well.

I'd worry about your D line getting gassed, not the OL.

Time of possession is the concern, not the number of them. And the defense has some modicum of control over how long the other offense controls the ball.

I'm gonna try not to be a dick here, but think about this...

Does "time" on the field wear out a defense, or do the number of plays a defense defends?

Time of possession is a meaningless stat that really no one considers.

 

[statler & waldorf]

LTCF, have you considered becoming LTGF? YOU make more sense than most eGriz posters.

 

[LongTimeCatFan]

LTCF, have you considered becoming LTGF? YOU make more sense than most eGriz posters.

No. Sometimes.

I'll tell you what, Cat fans came to this epiphany last year after Sac State, which was the main reason for MSU's defense sucking so bad.

 

[PlayerRep]

It's not the OL I'd worry about getting gassed as a result of more plays. When you run your shit that fast, you create more possessions, not only for yourself, but for your opponent as well.

I'd worry about your D line getting gassed, not the OL.

Time of possession is the concern, not the number of them. And the defense has some modicum of control over how long the other offense controls the ball.

I'm gonna try not to be a dick here, but think about this...

Does "time" on the field wear out a defense, or do the number of plays a defense defends?

Time of possession is a meaningless stat that really no one considers.

For the defense, it's the number of plays, combined with how fast the plays are run, combined with the number of defensive substitutions (both by series and during series).

If Stitt's offense has good TOP, then it will mean that the UM defense won't be on the field as much. And, since most opposing teams won't be running a hurry-up offense, this would be good for the UM defense because they won't have to defend as many plays. More TOP b Stitt's offense would also likely mean longer drives, giving the UM defense more time to rest between plays.

TOP is not meaningless, but I agree that one has to dig deeper than TOP to figure out what happened in a game.

 

[grizpsych]

The glory days for Atlanta and Alpha.
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nclj3vtg8M[/youtube]

 

[CDAGRIZ]

Haha! 3:50 mark.

 

[LongTimeCatFan]

It's not the OL I'd worry about getting gassed as a result of more plays. When you run your shit that fast, you create more possessions, not only for yourself, but for your opponent as well.

I'd worry about your D line getting gassed, not the OL.

Time of possession is the concern, not the number of them. And the defense has some modicum of control over how long the other offense controls the ball.

I'm gonna try not to be a dick here, but think about this...

Does "time" on the field wear out a defense, or do the number of plays a defense defends?

Time of possession is a meaningless stat that really no one considers.

For the defense, it's the number of plays, combined with how fast the plays are run, combined with the number of defensive substitutions (both by series and during series).

If Stitt's offense has good TOP, then it will mean that the UM defense won't be on the field as much. And, since most opposing teams won't be running a hurry-up offense, this would be good for the UM defense because they won't have to defend as many plays. More TOP b Stitt's offense would also likely mean longer drives, giving the UM defense more time to rest between plays.

TOP is not meaningless, but I agree that one has to dig deeper than TOP to figure out what happened in a game.

But when you play fast, you score fast and your opponents get just as many possessions as you do. As your increased rate of play results in more possessions for yourself, the same is true for your opponent.

It gets to be like Rez basketball on grass.

 

[AZGrizFan]

For the defense, it's the number of plays, combined with how fast the plays are run, combined with the number of defensive substitutions (both by series and during series).

If Stitt's offense has good TOP, then it will mean that the UM defense won't be on the field as much. And, since most opposing teams won't be running a hurry-up offense, this would be good for the UM defense because they won't have to defend as many plays. More TOP b Stitt's offense would also likely mean longer drives, giving the UM defense more time to rest between plays.

TOP is not meaningless, but I agree that one has to dig deeper than TOP to figure out what happened in a game.

But when you play fast, you score fast and your opponents get just as many possessions as you do. As your increased rate of play results in more possessions for yourself, the same is true for your opponent.

SIMPLY. NOT. TRUE. Playing FAST <> scoring fast. This is simply a logical fallacy that has been disproven here many times.

 

[LongTimeCatFan]

For the defense, it's the number of plays, combined with how fast the plays are run, combined with the number of defensive substitutions (both by series and during series).

If Stitt's offense has good TOP, then it will mean that the UM defense won't be on the field as much. And, since most opposing teams won't be running a hurry-up offense, this would be good for the UM defense because they won't have to defend as many plays. More TOP b Stitt's offense would also likely mean longer drives, giving the UM defense more time to rest between plays.

TOP is not meaningless, but I agree that one has to dig deeper than TOP to figure out what happened in a game.

But when you play fast, you score fast and your opponents get just as many possessions as you do. As your increased rate of play results in more possessions for yourself, the same is true for your opponent.

SIMPLY. NOT. TRUE. Playing FAST <> scoring fast. This is simply a logical fallacy that has been disproven here many times.

Really? Isn't that the point of tempo?