How will upcoming UM budget cuts impact athletics?

[BadlandsGrizFan]

Also UM enrollment declining does have to do with the changing landscape of what careers are employing people. Engineering is huge right now, not too many people are looking for history of rock and roll and journalist majors these days. Engstrom being a steaming pile of dog shit just furthers the decline!

 

[AZGrizFan]

Also UM enrollment declining does have to do with the changing landscape of what careers are employing people. Engineering is huge right now, not too many people are looking for history of rock and roll and journalist majors these days. Engstrom being
a steaming pile of dog shit just furthers the decline!

Yep. That's all that's offered. :roll:

COLLEGE OF ARTS AND SCIENCES
•African American Studies
•Anthropology
•Biological Sciences
•Chemistry
•Communication Studies
•Computer Science
•Economics
•English
•Environmental Studies
•Geography
•Geosciences
•History
•Liberal Studies
•Math
•Modern and Classical Languages and Literatures
•Native American Studies
•Philosophy
•Physics and Astronomy
•Political Science
•Psychology
•Sociology
•Women's Studies
COLLEGE OF EDUCATION and HUMAN SCIENCES
•Curriculum and Instruction
•Health and Human Performance
COLLEGE OF FORESTRY AND CONSERVATION
•Ecological Restoration
•Forestry
•Parks, Tourism and Recreation Management
•Resource Conservation
•Wildlife Biology
COLLEGE OF HEALTH PROFESSIONS AND BIOMEDICAL SCIENCES
•Gerontology Minor
•Pharmacy
•Physical Therapy
•Social Work
COLLEGE OF VISUAL AND PERFORMING ARTS
•Art
•Media Arts
•Theatre & Dance
•Music
SCHOOL OF BUSINESS ADMINISTRATION

Department of Accounting and Finance
•Accounting
•Financial Management
Department of Management
•Information Systems
•International Business
•Management
•Marketing
SCHOOL OF JOURNALISM
•Broadcast Journalism
•Radio/TV Production
•Photojournalism
•Print Journalism
SCHOOL OF LAW
•Pre-Law

MISSOULA COLLEGE

Applied Computing and Electronics
•Computer Aided Design
•Computer Support
•Electronics Technology
•Energy Technology
•Information Technology

Business Technology
•Accounting Technology

•Administrative Management
•Culinary Arts
•Business Management
•Medical Information Technology
•Paralegal Studies

Health Professions
•Nursing
•Pharmacy Technology
•Radiologic Technology
•Respiratory Care
•Surgical Technology

Industrial Technology
•Building Maintenance Engineer
•Carpentry
•Diesel Technology
•Welding Technology

 

[bgbigdog]

Here's a crazy thought...the loss in funding is tied to a loss in enrollment. MSU has been giving UM body shots in the recruiting area for years now. On campus situations involving rape and accusations has not helped the enrollment either. We seem to have wrapped up the criminal aspect of campus and the way they deal with bad situations, but the bad taste is not gone. Add to that the seeming lack of effort convincing the average student to go to Missoula rather than Bozeman and you have a perfect storm to drop enrollment. You will always get the student that has to go here or there... Agriculture and Engineering in Bozeman for example, but what convinces a kid to go here vs. there? I know for myself I had to go to MSU or out of state for a degree in Agriculture. UM was never a legitimate option for a degree for me. The kids that can go either way have to feel wanted and UM does a crap job of convincing those individuals that they are wanted. Fix that problem and we aren't in this situation. The University must do a better job of marketing itself to those individuals. It would be nice if they were all Griz fans and would blindly follow their hearts to Missoula, but you can't rely on that happening. Marketing and advertising are a big business for a reason, they work.

Ding, ding, ding.

Witness the majority of MSU commercials during locally televised games. Literally spotted them the "C & T." No doubt for a place that purports to have a Bschool program, the dearth of marketing outside of a pay-per-view website (poor excuse for even that) and blah, blah, blah social media is stunning.

Sorry, got to get back to that "Where's Monte" YouTube marathon.

 

[dupuyer griz]

I know for myself I had to go to MSU or out of state for a degree in Agriculture. UM was never a legitimate option for a degree for me

The School of Forestry is "the" Ag school in the state in terms of the acreage, crop value, recreational value, governmental influence, and impact. Forestry is a specialty Agriculture degree, including grass and range management, and even includes Forest Engineering as a graduate program. Students end up at the USDA in the US Forest Service, or at Department of Interior in BLM, F&W Service, Army Corps of Engineers, Park Service, EPA, State and Tribal forestry departments, and numerous timber and resource companies. In turn, these professionals often end up in management throughout government agencies.

So I could have gone to UM and got an Agricultural Education Broadfield Teaching degree?

 

[spsyk]

I can't speak for anyone else (because I am not a "whatever"rep) but this to me is not about money but about principle. By any objective measure her reporting was biased and error-ridden. That she would be hired by the U of M for anything suggests a hidden agenda.

As with the Duke LaCrosse case, the 88 faculty that publicly demanded expulsion of the white, male students, and their "castration," -- now there's a classic Title IX violation all by itself -- having been proven to be nothing more than a good old-fashioned Southern Lynch Mob with PhD's, not only kept their jobs, but got promotions and raises, as the boys were forced out of school on the basis of false allegations and politically-motivated charges.

These people stick together. It's not about "justice," or even "social justice." It's about a radical entitlement attempting to institutionalize itself and doing so successfully. The backfire on this, from Engstrom's initial actions, has been to damage UM's reputation in many ways, reverse it's long term successful enrollment trends, demolish its status as the flagship University, and cause successive budget cuts now severely impairing its academic mission. That's social justice for you.

A once-proud Journalism school with an international reputation has been reduced to hiring partisan hacks part-time, people who should be pilloried for polluting and corrupting the notion of "journalism" as an essential civic tool. It's a measure of UM's declining ability to deliver first class educations that are represented by the fact of someone like Florio being associated with it in any way, shape, or form.

The fourth stool of government has been dead for a while now, "journalism " to get creditable news and information today, you are better off asking the person in front of Walmart with a sign panhandling, what going on to get the clear picture...unfortunately that person may be
Brian Williams.

 

[LongTimeCatFan]

I can never understand why people think it was great for our ancestors to pay for facilities but we cannot do the same. Time moves on and so do buildings. I'm sure there were naysayers then also, but I'm glad all schools aren't in sod huts now.

Because back then school districts could afford to pay for these projects without breaking the backs of the taxpayers. What's different? Wasted spending on administration and a "use it or lose it" spending policy.

 

[griz4life]

If a business lost customers by the thousands, its CEO wouldn't last long, nor would he receive a new 5 year contract and signing bonus.
I think UM's customers and shareholders deserve better.

 

[Allezchat]

Remember when the head of the Journalism School came out against our Stream Access laws because there was a big donor to his dept. that was withholding a couple mill unless MT changed the law? That was about a decade ago wasn't it? That dept. has been a little....screwy for a while.

*edit I mis remembered this apparently. Not the way I remembered it when I googled it.

 

[bgbigdog]

If a business lost customers by the thousands, its CEO wouldn't last long, nor would he receive a new 5 year contract and signing bonus.
I think UM's customers and shareholders deserve better.

That McDonalds CEO is available. Wait, lost customers, never mind. This is government work.

 

[Mousegriz]

I'm not aware of any built in replacement and maintenance reserves. The post was intended to be cynical as those costs won't go away or get any lower over time.

And I'm also glad to not live in a grass hut. I do question the national obsession with "facilities" these days.

I feel education, to be cost effective and efficient, will morph toward a less "brick and mortar" model over the fairly near future.....so why all the new buildings?

 

[UMGriz75]

I know for myself I had to go to MSU or out of state for a degree in Agriculture. UM was never a legitimate option for a degree for me

The School of Forestry is "the" Ag school in the state in terms of the acreage, crop value, recreational value, governmental influence, and impact. Forestry is a specialty Agriculture degree, including grassland and range management, and even includes Forest Engineering as a graduate program. Students end up at the USDA in the US Forest Service, or at Department of Interior in BLM, F&W Service, Army Corps of Engineers, Park Service, EPA, State and Tribal forestry departments, and numerous timber and resource companies. In turn, these professionals often end up in management throughout government agencies.

So I could have gone to UM and got an Agricultural Education Broadfield Teaching degree?

No, but because of its College of Forestry, the University of Montana is ranked among the top 100 "Agriculture" schools in the world, whereas MSU is not ranked.

http://www.theguardian.com/education/ng-interactive/2014/aug/12/-sp-qs-world-university-rankings-2014-agriculture" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

 

[PlayerRep]

75, was the post by someone, saying UM pays adjunct professors $1,000 per month correct?

 

[UMGriz75]

75, was the post by someone, saying UM pays adjunct professors $1,000 per month correct?

It's "possible," but not likely in most cases. The "going rate" is $25 an hour. A three credit class would meet three hours per week. That would be $300 per month. So, if an adjunct were teaching three 3 credit classes and a 1 or 2 credit class, it could happen, but that's equal to or even a heavier teaching load than most full time faculty.

 

[SoldierGriz]

Also UM enrollment declining does have to do with the changing landscape of what careers are employing people. Engineering is huge right now, not too many people are looking for history of rock and roll and journalist majors these days. Engstrom being
a steaming pile of dog shit just furthers the decline!

Yep. That's all that's offered. :roll:

COLLEGE OF ARTS AND SCIENCES
•African American Studies
•Anthropology
•Biological Sciences
•Chemistry
•Communication Studies
•Computer Science
•Economics
•English
•Environmental Studies
•Geography
•Geosciences
•History
•Liberal Studies
•Math
•Modern and Classical Languages and Literatures
•Native American Studies
•Philosophy
•Physics and Astronomy
•Political Science
•Psychology
•Sociology
•Women's Studies
COLLEGE OF EDUCATION and HUMAN SCIENCES
•Curriculum and Instruction
•Health and Human Performance
COLLEGE OF FORESTRY AND CONSERVATION
•Ecological Restoration
•Forestry
•Parks, Tourism and Recreation Management
•Resource Conservation
•Wildlife Biology
COLLEGE OF HEALTH PROFESSIONS AND BIOMEDICAL SCIENCES
•Gerontology Minor
•Pharmacy
•Physical Therapy
•Social Work
COLLEGE OF VISUAL AND PERFORMING ARTS
•Art
•Media Arts
•Theatre & Dance
•Music
SCHOOL OF BUSINESS ADMINISTRATION

Department of Accounting and Finance
•Accounting
•Financial Management
Department of Management
•Information Systems
•International Business
•Management
•Marketing
SCHOOL OF JOURNALISM
•Broadcast Journalism
•Radio/TV Production
•Photojournalism
•Print Journalism
SCHOOL OF LAW
•Pre-Law

MISSOULA COLLEGE

Applied Computing and Electronics
•Computer Aided Design
•Computer Support
•Electronics Technology
•Energy Technology
•Information Technology

Business Technology
•Accounting Technology

•Administrative Management
•Culinary Arts
•Business Management
•Medical Information Technology
•Paralegal Studies

Health Professions
•Nursing
•Pharmacy Technology
•Radiologic Technology
•Respiratory Care
•Surgical Technology

Industrial Technology
•Building Maintenance Engineer
•Carpentry
•Diesel Technology
•Welding Technology

As I looked over this list, I found myself thinking about how I might advise my kids on their futures. Honestly, there are only a handful of areas here that I would like them to consider. With the exception of computer science in the College of Arts and Sciences..all others are a no. Forestry (any) is a yes. Pharmacy, Physical Therapy, most of the Business options, Health Professions are a yes. All others are a no. Teacher, Law School...yes.

I think many parents may find themselves having these kinds of conversations with their kids. No engineering options hurts in my opinion. Parents and kids know engineers are (mostly) immediately employable with very good starting salaries. Every school in Texas has an engineering option.

 

[coyote]

I can never understand why people think it was great for our ancestors to pay for facilities but we cannot do the same. Time moves on and so do buildings. I'm sure there were naysayers then also, but I'm glad all schools aren't in sod huts now.

Because back then school districts could afford to pay for these projects without breaking the backs of the taxpayers. What's different? Wasted spending on administration and a "use it or lose it" spending policy.

I hope you are not serious. They had to make financial sacrifices also. Your other comments are only your opinion. If they were the majorities opinion it wouldn't be spent. Money spent on good administration in business is ok but for schools it is not? The use it or lose it spending policy? Our children are important. Didn't you get an education? I will stop now as I realize this is the wrong forum. My apologies.

 

[GrizLA]

Also UM enrollment declining does have to do with the changing landscape of what careers are employing people. Engineering is huge right now, not too many people are looking for history of rock and roll and journalist majors these days. Engstrom being
a steaming pile of dog shit just furthers the decline!

Yep. That's all that's offered. :roll:

COLLEGE OF ARTS AND SCIENCES
•African American Studies
•Anthropology
•Biological Sciences
•Chemistry
•Communication Studies
•Computer Science
•Economics
•English
•Environmental Studies
•Geography
•Geosciences
•History
•Liberal Studies
•Math
•Modern and Classical Languages and Literatures
•Native American Studies
•Philosophy
•Physics and Astronomy
•Political Science
•Psychology
•Sociology
•Women's Studies
COLLEGE OF EDUCATION and HUMAN SCIENCES
•Curriculum and Instruction
•Health and Human Performance
COLLEGE OF FORESTRY AND CONSERVATION
•Ecological Restoration
•Forestry
•Parks, Tourism and Recreation Management
•Resource Conservation
•Wildlife Biology
COLLEGE OF HEALTH PROFESSIONS AND BIOMEDICAL SCIENCES
•Gerontology Minor
•Pharmacy
•Physical Therapy
•Social Work
COLLEGE OF VISUAL AND PERFORMING ARTS
•Art
•Media Arts
•Theatre & Dance
•Music
SCHOOL OF BUSINESS ADMINISTRATION

Department of Accounting and Finance
•Accounting
•Financial Management
Department of Management
•Information Systems
•International Business
•Management
•Marketing
SCHOOL OF JOURNALISM
•Broadcast Journalism
•Radio/TV Production
•Photojournalism
•Print Journalism
SCHOOL OF LAW
•Pre-Law

MISSOULA COLLEGE

Applied Computing and Electronics
•Computer Aided Design
•Computer Support
•Electronics Technology
•Energy Technology
•Information Technology

Business Technology
•Accounting Technology

•Administrative Management
•Culinary Arts
•Business Management
•Medical Information Technology
•Paralegal Studies

Health Professions
•Nursing
•Pharmacy Technology
•Radiologic Technology
•Respiratory Care
•Surgical Technology

Industrial Technology
•Building Maintenance Engineer
•Carpentry
•Diesel Technology
•Welding Technology

As I looked over this list, I found myself thinking about how I might advise my kids on their futures. Honestly, there are only a handful of areas here that I would like them to consider. With the exception of computer science in the College of Arts and Sciences..all others are a no. Forestry (any) is a yes. Pharmacy, Physical Therapy, most of the Business options, Health Professions are a yes. All others are a no. Teacher, Law School...yes.

I think many parents may find themselves having these kinds of conversations with their kids. No engineering options hurts in my opinion. Parents and kids know engineers are (mostly) immediately employable with very good starting salaries. Every school in Texas has an engineering option.

Wow, Yale, Emerson, Northwestern, USC, UCLA, Juilliard, Columbia and many more realize that the arts, including music and theater, investments in their faculty and physical plants return more to most colleges than the entire athletic programs and I tend to agree, seeing that, at the present time, UM is known for actors, J.K. Simmons, Carrol O'Connor and loose affilitation with Pearl Jam....in the past it had major essayists of world reknown, historians, and Psychologists. I guess you get what you are willing to pay for.

 

[SoldierGriz]

Also UM enrollment declining does have to do with the changing landscape of what careers are employing people. Engineering is huge right now, not too many people are looking for history of rock and roll and journalist majors these days. Engstrom being
a steaming pile of dog shit just furthers the decline!

Yep. That's all that's offered. :roll:

COLLEGE OF ARTS AND SCIENCES
•African American Studies
•Anthropology
•Biological Sciences
•Chemistry
•Communication Studies
•Computer Science
•Economics
•English
•Environmental Studies
•Geography
•Geosciences
•History
•Liberal Studies
•Math
•Modern and Classical Languages and Literatures
•Native American Studies
•Philosophy
•Physics and Astronomy
•Political Science
•Psychology
•Sociology
•Women's Studies
COLLEGE OF EDUCATION and HUMAN SCIENCES
•Curriculum and Instruction
•Health and Human Performance
COLLEGE OF FORESTRY AND CONSERVATION
•Ecological Restoration
•Forestry
•Parks, Tourism and Recreation Management
•Resource Conservation
•Wildlife Biology
COLLEGE OF HEALTH PROFESSIONS AND BIOMEDICAL SCIENCES
•Gerontology Minor
•Pharmacy
•Physical Therapy
•Social Work
COLLEGE OF VISUAL AND PERFORMING ARTS
•Art
•Media Arts
•Theatre & Dance
•Music
SCHOOL OF BUSINESS ADMINISTRATION

Department of Accounting and Finance
•Accounting
•Financial Management
Department of Management
•Information Systems
•International Business
•Management
•Marketing
SCHOOL OF JOURNALISM
•Broadcast Journalism
•Radio/TV Production
•Photojournalism
•Print Journalism
SCHOOL OF LAW
•Pre-Law

MISSOULA COLLEGE

Applied Computing and Electronics
•Computer Aided Design
•Computer Support
•Electronics Technology
•Energy Technology
•Information Technology

Business Technology
•Accounting Technology

•Administrative Management
•Culinary Arts
•Business Management
•Medical Information Technology
•Paralegal Studies

Health Professions
•Nursing
•Pharmacy Technology
•Radiologic Technology
•Respiratory Care
•Surgical Technology

Industrial Technology
•Building Maintenance Engineer
•Carpentry
•Diesel Technology
•Welding Technology

As I looked over this list, I found myself thinking about how I might advise my kids on their futures. Honestly, there are only a handful of areas here that I would like them to consider. With the exception of computer science in the College of Arts and Sciences..all others are a no. Forestry (any) is a yes. Pharmacy, Physical Therapy, most of the Business options, Health Professions are a yes. All others are a no. Teacher, Law School...yes.

I think many parents may find themselves having these kinds of conversations with their kids. No engineering options hurts in my opinion. Parents and kids know engineers are (mostly) immediately employable with very good starting salaries. Every school in Texas has an engineering option.

Wow, Yale, Emerson, Northwestern, USC, UCLA, Juilliard, Columbia and many more realize that the arts, including music and theater, investments in their faculty and physical plants return more to most colleges than the entire athletic programs and I tend to agree, seeing that, at the present time, UM is known for actors, J.K. Simmons, Carrol O'Connor and loose affilitation with Pearl Jam....in the past it had major essayists of world reknown, historians, and Psychologists. I guess you get what you are willing to pay for.

You're probably right. Many high schools pushing STEM very, very hard right now...and this may have something to do with enrollment declines at UM. msu/MT Tech/Mines etc., look appealing to many.

 

[EverettGriz]

Hot careers are cyclical.

And a university education has never been about job placement.

 

[GrizLA]

Hot careers are cyclical.

And a university education has never been about job placement.

That is more than a little naïve.

 

[GottaluvGriz]

I know that MSU Billings is not a great school to compare to UM, however, MSU Billings has announced a shortfall of $10 million and announced layoffs and a cut to men and women's tennis programs. Some of this has to do with 3% unemployment too and the immediate availability to good paying jobs.
Go Griz!