How the Griz can improve

[becker2117]

Next year I guess I will watch the game with a pipe in my mouth, smoking jacket and a glass of port. And in my best snobbish english accent say, "Jolly good show chap." Even when the Griz do shitty. Indubitably!

You are either being a D-bag just for the fun of it or totally missing the point. There is no reason the griz cant move forward and have better showings in the NCAAs. In another thread it was pointed out that in our last 5 first round tourney games...2 were close losses, one was a win and the last two were blowouts. The past two games its been obvious we have missed having a solid big down low and its hurt us. I just don't understand the "we have no future" attitude...unless you only care about elite 8 runs or chippers, then I guess there is no future....but there is without a doubt a great future for lots of exciting basketball in Missoula. Remember we lost 2 bigs that we were going to heavily rely on...we damn near ran the table in the Big Sky ( I know, I have read enough that it sucks)...all in all, it was good year if you don't dwell on the fact that we got blown out by a team that is a consistent national power house and easily one of the most recognizable programs in college basketball.

 

[AZGrizFan]

You could make the argument that UM should recruit California more, not less. UM just pulled two of their all-time best players from California with Cherry and Jamar. Dunn is one of Montana's highest rated recruits in recent history. There is potential for somewhat of a pipeline if it continues. The Big Sky is a Western conference. UM plays mostly Western non-conference games. There are cheap flights from Missoula to the Bay Area and LA area. Recruits' families will have the opportunity to see them play.

Another factor: the Pac-12 is mediocre. UCLA can't take all the good players in California. Oregon and Cal just won 27 and 21 games as members of the Pac-12, respectively, and were rewarded with 12 seeds. UM cruised through their schedule for the 3rd time in 4 years and ended up a 13 seed. Not much of a difference.

Oregon and Cal were punished because of a misperception that the Pac-12 is mediocre, a misperception continually perpetrated by folks like you. The fact i Both Oregon and Cal were probably more like 5-8 seeds, not 12 seeds, and they showed that in their first round games.

 

[SeaGrizluvr]

Next year I guess I will watch the game with a pipe in my mouth, smoking jacket and a glass of port. And in my best snobbish english accent say, "Jolly good show chap." Even when the Griz do shitty. Indubitably!

You are either being a D-bag just for the fun of it or totally missing the point. There is no reason the griz cant move forward and have better showings in the NCAAs. In another thread it was pointed out that in our last 5 first round tourney games...2 were close losses, one was a win and the last two were blowouts. The past two games its been obvious we have missed having a solid big down low and its hurt us. I just don't understand the "we have no future" attitude...unless you only care about elite 8 runs or chippers, then I guess there is no future....but there is without a doubt a great future for lots of exciting basketball in Missoula. Remember we lost 2 bigs that we were going to heavily rely on...we damn near ran the table in the Big Sky ( I know, I have read enough that it sucks)...all in all, it was good year if you don't dwell on the fact that we got blown out by a team that is a consistent national power house and easily one of the most recognizable programs in college basketball.

Wow! Remind me not to hang with you, you humorless POS. :thumb:

 

[becker2117]

Next year I guess I will watch the game with a pipe in my mouth, smoking jacket and a glass of port. And in my best snobbish english accent say, "Jolly good show chap." Even when the Griz do shitty. Indubitably!

You are either being a D-bag just for the fun of it or totally missing the point. There is no reason the griz cant move forward and have better showings in the NCAAs. In another thread it was pointed out that in our last 5 first round tourney games...2 were close losses, one was a win and the last two were blowouts. The past two games its been obvious we have missed having a solid big down low and its hurt us. I just don't understand the "we have no future" attitude...unless you only care about elite 8 runs or chippers, then I guess there is no future....but there is without a doubt a great future for lots of exciting basketball in Missoula. Remember we lost 2 bigs that we were going to heavily rely on...we damn near ran the table in the Big Sky ( I know, I have read enough that it sucks)...all in all, it was good year if you don't dwell on the fact that we got blown out by a team that is a consistent national power house and easily one of the most recognizable programs in college basketball.

Wow! Remind me not to hang with you, you humorless POS. :thumb:

oh that was your attempt at humor? if that's the case I wont have to remind you not to hang out with me. :thumb: oh ya..if forgot..you POS :thumb:

 

[SeaGrizluvr]

Next year I guess I will watch the game with a pipe in my mouth, smoking jacket and a glass of port. And in my best snobbish english accent say, "Jolly good show chap." Even when the Griz do shitty. Indubitably!

You are either being a D-bag just for the fun of it or totally missing the point. There is no reason the griz cant move forward and have better showings in the NCAAs. In another thread it was pointed out that in our last 5 first round tourney games...2 were close losses, one was a win and the last two were blowouts. The past two games its been obvious we have missed having a solid big down low and its hurt us. I just don't understand the "we have no future" attitude...unless you only care about elite 8 runs or chippers, then I guess there is no future....but there is without a doubt a great future for lots of exciting basketball in Missoula. Remember we lost 2 bigs that we were going to heavily rely on...we damn near ran the table in the Big Sky ( I know, I have read enough that it sucks)...all in all, it was good year if you don't dwell on the fact that we got blown out by a team that is a consistent national power house and easily one of the most recognizable programs in college basketball.

Wow! Remind me not to hang with you, you humorless POS. :thumb:

oh that was your attempt at humor? if that's the case I wont have to remind you not to hang out with me. :thumb: oh ya..if forgot..you POS :thumb:

:finger: :thumb:

 

[becker2117]

You are either being a D-bag just for the fun of it or totally missing the point. There is no reason the griz cant move forward and have better showings in the NCAAs. In another thread it was pointed out that in our last 5 first round tourney games...2 were close losses, one was a win and the last two were blowouts. The past two games its been obvious we have missed having a solid big down low and its hurt us. I just don't understand the "we have no future" attitude...unless you only care about elite 8 runs or chippers, then I guess there is no future....but there is without a doubt a great future for lots of exciting basketball in Missoula. Remember we lost 2 bigs that we were going to heavily rely on...we damn near ran the table in the Big Sky ( I know, I have read enough that it sucks)...all in all, it was good year if you don't dwell on the fact that we got blown out by a team that is a consistent national power house and easily one of the most recognizable programs in college basketball.

Wow! Remind me not to hang with you, you humorless POS. :thumb:

oh that was your attempt at humor? if that's the case I wont have to remind you not to hang out with me. :thumb: oh ya..if forgot..you POS :thumb:

:finger: :thumb:

haha :clap: this is fun

 

[GrizDDS]

You could make the argument that UM should recruit California more, not less. UM just pulled two of their all-time best players from California with Cherry and Jamar. Dunn is one of Montana's highest rated recruits in recent history. There is potential for somewhat of a pipeline if it continues. The Big Sky is a Western conference. UM plays mostly Western non-conference games. There are cheap flights from Missoula to the Bay Area and LA area. Recruits' families will have the opportunity to see them play.

Another factor: the Pac-12 is mediocre. UCLA can't take all the good players in California. Oregon and Cal just won 27 and 21 games as members of the Pac-12, respectively, and were rewarded with 12 seeds. UM cruised through their schedule for the 3rd time in 4 years and ended up a 13 seed. Not much of a difference.

Oregon and Cal were punished because of a misperception that the Pac-12 is mediocre, a misperception continually perpetrated by folks like you. The fact i Both Oregon and Cal were probably more like 5-8 seeds, not 12 seeds, and they showed that in their first round games.

I don't think my opinion had anything to do with the seeding, and I wouldn't say I continually perpetrate a misperception, considering that's the first time I've commented on the Pac-12 . . . but what's your point? Oregon and Cal were probably underseeded, but then UCLA was highly overseeded, being beaten by 20 in an 11 over a 6 upset. Regardless, are any a threat to make it to the final four? UCLA is the only team in the conference with a Final Four appearance in the last 10 years, and they are a continual disappointment. The Griz are 3-3 against the Pac-12 in the Will Cherry era (should be 4-2 minus a serious homer job versus Washington), and what are we considered by the national media?

I don't think UM will win very many head to head recruiting battles in California against Pac-12 teams regardless of the strength of the conference. But my point, I guess, is that I like the Griz's chances battling it out for the mid-major talent after the UCLA and Arizona type programs have their pick of the class.

 

[Silvertip]

The "would'a, should'a, could'a..." crowd populating this thread is an example of the complacency that leaves Griz athletics with no more future than it had yesterday or will have tomorrow -

whats the point of watching, being a fan or even posting on egriz if you truly believe there is no future or no hope? what a way to live!

Fair question that's becoming increasingly difficult to answer...

 

[becker2117]

The "would'a, should'a, could'a..." crowd populating this thread is an example of the complacency that leaves Griz athletics with no more future than it had yesterday or will have tomorrow -

whats the point of watching, being a fan or even posting on egriz if you truly believe there is no future or no hope? what a way to live!

Fair question that's becoming increasingly difficult to answer...

haha, and a fair answer....all im saying is we are a good bigsky conf team and a solid middle mid major program...that's what we are right now...the reality of it is we aren't regulary going to play teams like Syracuse close..(im not happy with how we looked)...but that doesn't mean we cant improve each year...this year was great considering what we lost before the season even began. Keep your head up kid, its fun having a little hope! :thumb:

 

[Silvertip]

The "would'a, should'a, could'a..." crowd populating this thread is an example of the complacency that leaves Griz athletics with no more future than it had yesterday or will have tomorrow -

whats the point of watching, being a fan or even posting on egriz if you truly believe there is no future or no hope? what a way to live!

Fair question that's becoming increasingly difficult to answer...

haha, and a fair answer....all im saying is we are a good bigsky conf team and a solid middle mid major program...that's what we are right now...the reality of it is we aren't regulary going to play teams like Syracuse close..(im not happy with how we looked)...but that doesn't mean we cant improve each year...this year was great considering what we lost before the season even began. Keep your head up kid, its fun having a little hope! :thumb:

Being "...a good bigsky conf team..." at tournament time has all the value of a bucket of warm spit. :thumb:

 

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

Better than a bucket of cold spit................

 

[MissoulaMarinerFan]

I think one thing this game did was make sure Tinkle is here for another couple years...one close loss in the tourney plus 2 terrible showings doesn't...or shouldn't...equal a job at the level above the Griz...

 

[AZGrizFan]

You could make the argument that UM should recruit California more, not less. UM just pulled two of their all-time best players from California with Cherry and Jamar. Dunn is one of Montana's highest rated recruits in recent history. There is potential for somewhat of a pipeline if it continues. The Big Sky is a Western conference. UM plays mostly Western non-conference games. There are cheap flights from Missoula to the Bay Area and LA area. Recruits' families will have the opportunity to see them play.

Another factor: the Pac-12 is mediocre. UCLA can't take all the good players in California. Oregon and Cal just won 27 and 21 games as members of the Pac-12, respectively, and were rewarded with 12 seeds. UM cruised through their schedule for the 3rd time in 4 years and ended up a 13 seed. Not much of a difference.

Oregon and Cal were punished because of a misperception that the Pac-12 is mediocre, a misperception continually perpetrated by folks like you. The fact i Both Oregon and Cal were probably more like 5-8 seeds, not 12 seeds, and they showed that in their first round games.

I don't think my opinion had anything to do with the seeding, and I wouldn't say I continually perpetrate a misperception, considering that's the first time I've commented on the Pac-12 . . . but what's your point? Oregon and Cal were probably underseeded, but then UCLA was highly overseeded, being beaten by 20 in an 11 over a 6 upset. Regardless, are any a threat to make it to the final four? UCLA is the only team in the conference with a Final Four appearance in the last 10 years, and they are a continual disappointment. The Griz are 3-3 against the Pac-12 in the Will Cherry era (should be 4-2 minus a serious homer job versus Washington), and what are we considered by the national media?

I don't think UM will win very many head to head recruiting battles in California against Pac-12 teams regardless of the strength of the conference. But my point, I guess, is that I like the Griz's chances battling it out for the mid-major talent after the UCLA and Arizona type programs have their pick of the class.

I said people LIKE you, parroting things heard or seen elsewhere as truth.

And UCLA won the Pac-12 tourney, but lost their best player in the process. Unlike the Griz, they didn't have 4 weeks to figure out a gameplan without him. That might have had somewhat of an impact on their ability to compete on Thursday night...in fact, it was said on the selection show that UCLA probably LOST a couple spots in seeding because of that injury.

 

[Spanky]

Other than Weber State and Montana, the Big Sky Conference is made up of slugs. If we continue to compete against these lackluster NAIA level teams, the results will usually be the same when we attempt to compete against quality teams at the Big Dance. We have one of the best coaches in the nation and good student-athletes, however, unless they play good teams on a regular basis, they will continue to be intimidated when they see a national caliber team run on the court. We shouldn't be in the Big Sky Conference in any sport, however, we don't have leadership in Main Hall with the vision and courage to leave the Big Sky Conference.

 

[becker2117]

whats the point of watching, being a fan or even posting on egriz if you truly believe there is no future or no hope? what a way to live!

Fair question that's becoming increasingly difficult to answer...

haha, and a fair answer....all im saying is we are a good bigsky conf team and a solid middle mid major program...that's what we are right now...the reality of it is we aren't regulary going to play teams like Syracuse close..(im not happy with how we looked)...but that doesn't mean we cant improve each year...this year was great considering what we lost before the season even began. Keep your head up kid, its fun having a little hope! :thumb:

Being "...a good bigsky conf team..." at tournament time has all the value of a bucket of warm spit. :thumb:

I can agree with you there, the past 2 tourney games were NOT fun...BUT the last two season were a blast...and 05,06 and 2010 were a lot of fun in the NCAAs.....all im trying to say is at this point if the past few years of griz basketball is nothing more than a "bucket of warm spit" to you....your watching the wrong team.

 

[GrizDDS]

You could make the argument that UM should recruit California more, not less. UM just pulled two of their all-time best players from California with Cherry and Jamar. Dunn is one of Montana's highest rated recruits in recent history. There is potential for somewhat of a pipeline if it continues. The Big Sky is a Western conference. UM plays mostly Western non-conference games. There are cheap flights from Missoula to the Bay Area and LA area. Recruits' families will have the opportunity to see them play.

Another factor: the Pac-12 is mediocre. UCLA can't take all the good players in California. Oregon and Cal just won 27 and 21 games as members of the Pac-12, respectively, and were rewarded with 12 seeds. UM cruised through their schedule for the 3rd time in 4 years and ended up a 13 seed. Not much of a difference.

Oregon and Cal were punished because of a misperception that the Pac-12 is mediocre, a misperception continually perpetrated by folks like you. The fact i Both Oregon and Cal were probably more like 5-8 seeds, not 12 seeds, and they showed that in their first round games.

I don't think my opinion had anything to do with the seeding, and I wouldn't say I continually perpetrate a misperception, considering that's the first time I've commented on the Pac-12 . . . but what's your point? Oregon and Cal were probably underseeded, but then UCLA was highly overseeded, being beaten by 20 in an 11 over a 6 upset. Regardless, are any a threat to make it to the final four? UCLA is the only team in the conference with a Final Four appearance in the last 10 years, and they are a continual disappointment. The Griz are 3-3 against the Pac-12 in the Will Cherry era (should be 4-2 minus a serious homer job versus Washington), and what are we considered by the national media?

I don't think UM will win very many head to head recruiting battles in California against Pac-12 teams regardless of the strength of the conference. But my point, I guess, is that I like the Griz's chances battling it out for the mid-major talent after the UCLA and Arizona type programs have their pick of the class.

I said people LIKE you, parroting things heard or seen elsewhere as truth.

And UCLA won the Pac-12 tourney, but lost their best player in the process. Unlike the Griz, they didn't have 4 weeks to figure out a gameplan without him. That might have had somewhat of an impact on their ability to compete on Thursday night...in fact, it was said on the selection show that UCLA probably LOST a couple spots in seeding because of that injury.

If only Ben Howland was as good as coming up with excuses he might still be employed today. Maybe I haven't provided enough examples to justify my opinion of the Pac-12.
1. The West was very well represented on the selection committee this year compared to the East Coast. I don't buy any East Coast bias argument regarding this year's seeds.
2. The Pac is pretty consistently rated as 5th or 6th out of the 5 or 6 major conferences that have BCS money to spend, and are in danger of being passed up by the Mountain West as the premier conference in the West
3. The Lute Olsen era is over, the Ben Howland era is over . . . I think the Pac has a lack of national head coach name recognition factor, and college basketball is a very head coach-centric sport.
Not trying to bash the Pac-12, I just think they are underperforming in recent years. They have historically been a great conference, and have a lot to offer. They've just been pretty stagnant over the last 4 years or so.