How Much Can You Hang on Engstrom, Really?

[UMGriz75]

Well, in part, this was because somebody had "read Stitt's book." That was Ty Gregorak.

As I noted last week, we lost a full touchdown, or more, per game because of Stitt's decision to replace Gregorak. It was another of a series of bad judgment calls about how this head coach treats players, treats staff, stubbornly refuses to change, and says bizarre shit at press conferences.

The Griz lost this game, and this particular game, because 1) Stitt got rid of UM's best inspirational coach, 2) best Defensive Coordinator, and 3) lost him to the Cats, creating Stitt's own worst nightmare, a better D and a grudge.

It's beyond stupid. It's Stitt.

 

[CFallsGriz]

Well, in part, this was because somebody had "read Stitt's book." That was Ty Gregorak.

As I noted last week, we lost a full touchdown, or more, per game because of Stitt's decision to replace Gregorak. It was another of a series of bad judgment calls about how this head coach treats players, treats staff, stubbornly refuses to change, and says bizarre shit at press conferences.

The Griz lost this game, and this particular game, because 1) Stitt got rid of UM's best inspirational coach, 2) best Defensive Coordinator, and 3) lost him to the Cats, creating Stitt's own worst nightmare, a better D and a grudge.

It's beyond stupid. It's Stitt.

Can't disagree entirely, in particular the grudge and playbook part. So I get everything you wrote, but about the Prez...?

 

[griz4life]

Jesus, did Tyler ever defeat EWU as DC? Did he ever defeat Cal Poly?
He wasn't getting it done. Beating the Griz today doesn't change that.

 

[Grizbeer]

I get it, people loved Jim O'Day because he was a personable guy who would yuck it up. But the facts are stubborn. When Bobby moved on there was no search for a new coach. Plug rad was named coach with no real search. He hired a bunch of non-college coaches, and O'Day said they were putting the band back together. In 2010 the Griz went 6-4 against D1 competition and lost to the cats at home - with a stocked roster and many future NFL players. The next year was much the same shit show into November barely eeking out an unsatisfying win over DII team before finally coming alive right for the Cat game and 2 playoff games.

Then came the accusations and investigations. A retraining order that seemed under control and a QB back at practice until Pflugrad spoke to the press and inflames the wound, ultimately leading to criminal charges and a bogus trial. Ultimately it turned out Pflugrad knew players he'd received (marginal, bullshit benefit but still by the rules) un-allowed benefits from a booster, and all those wins were vacated due to "LACK OF INSTITUTIONAL CONTROL". That is on O'Day. So since 2009 the Griz have no conference titles, no deep playoff runs, and fewer scholarships than they should have because someone wasn't doing their job. As AD, that is on O'Day.. So call bullshit if you want, but those are the facts. Disagree all you want, but Pflugrad is an assistant coach at a community college, and O'Day isn't an AD anywhere.

 

[UMGriz75]

Jesus, did Tyler ever defeat EWU as DC? Did he ever defeat Cal Poly?

Unfortunately, since CP would have required an offense, no. And yes, we did defeat EWU last year and could not do so this year.

Next question?

 

[CFallsGriz]

Jesus, did Tyler ever defeat EWU as DC? Did he ever defeat Cal Poly?

Unfortunately, since CP would have required an offense, no. And yes, we did defeat EWU last year and could not do so this year.

Next question?

Yeah, but about Royce...or do you prefer to remain silent?

I guess I wouldn't blame you

 

[UMGriz75]

Jesus, did Tyler ever defeat EWU as DC? Did he ever defeat Cal Poly?

Unfortunately, since CP would have required an offense, no. And yes, we did defeat EWU last year and could not do so this year.

Next question?

Yeah, but about Royce...or do you prefer to remain silent?

I guess I wouldn't blame you

Are you joking?

 

[CFallsGriz]

Jesus, did Tyler ever defeat EWU as DC? Did he ever defeat Cal Poly?

Unfortunately, since CP would have required an offense, no. And yes, we did defeat EWU last year and could not do so this year.

Next question?

Yeah, but about Royce...or do you prefer to remain silent?

I guess I wouldn't blame you

Are you joking?

Point taken, I guess. Yeah you've written it before, but this is one instance where many might want to hear your point of view.

So no, I'm not.

Try to keep it under 5,000 :thumb:

 

[UMGriz75]

Point taken, I guess. Yeah you've written it before, but this is one instance where many might want to hear your point of view.

So no, I'm not.

Try to keep it under 5,000 :thumb:

Engstrom was, remarkably, attacked by his own VP-Enrollment just last week. Tom Crady noted that UM has been spending, under Engstrom, less than one-third the amount for recruitment as MSU. He noted that recruiting services, which relies heavily on IT support and internet interface, had its "guy" cut to half-time under Engstrom as part of "budget-cutting." Crady restored the full-time position (egriz owner Chris). Asked about Engstrom acolyte, now retired, Perry Brown's comments that this was all normal and expected, Crady replied, "No. it's not." Engstrom did not attend the presser. But, you can tell, the new guy thinks Engstrom has, so far, done everything wrong. Be interesting to see how that relationship works out.

As I have been noting, the sports people need to wake up, otherwise the "Engstrom" curse is going to begin affecting sports as well.

Now, it has.

it is a culture of failure.

At 134 words.

 

[griz4life]

Jesus, did Tyler ever defeat EWU as DC? Did he ever defeat Cal Poly?

Unfortunately, since CP would have required an offense, no. And yes, we did defeat EWU last year and could not do so this year.

Next question?

I recall Stitt saying Semore was calling the shots by the EWU game. Tyler didn't deny he was no longer in charge.

 

[CFallsGriz]

Point taken, I guess. Yeah you've written it before, but this is one instance where many might want to hear your point of view.

So no, I'm not.

Try to keep it under 5,000 :thumb:

Engstrom was, remarkably, attacked by his own VP-Enrollment just last week. Tom Crady noted that UM has been spending, under Engstrom, less than one-third the amount for recruitment as MSU. He noted that recruiting services, which relies heavily on IT support and internet interface, had its "guy" cut to half-time under Engstrom as part of "budget-cutting." Crady restored the full-time position (egriz owner Chris). Asked about Engstrom acolyte, now retired, Perry Brown's comments that this was all normal and expected, Crady replied, "No. it's not." Engstrom did not attend the presser. But, you can tell, the new guy thinks Engstrom has, so far, done everything wrong. Be interesting to see how that relationship works out.

As I have been noting, the sports people need to wake up, otherwise the "Engstrom" curse is going to begin affecting sports as well.

Now, it has.

Well that is a bunch of stuff I had not heard, and also the purpose of the thread. Had no idea about the Crady/Chris connection either.

Articulate as always :thumb:

it is a culture of failure.

At 134 words.

 

[UMGriz75]

I recall Stitt saying Semore was calling the shots by the EWU game. Tyler didn't deny he was no longer in charge.

That's the problem. You can call the plays. But the players have to play for you. They weren't playing for Semore. They haven't been playing for Semore. You could tell when Ty finally left, on social media, those guys were still playing for Ty last year.

It was a sore spot for the Stitt Pile when Jordan Tripp, being interviewed for today's game, pointed that out.

 

[skypilot]

Ty Vs Stiit 1-0

 

[griz4life]

I recall Stitt saying Semore was calling the shots by the EWU game. Tyler didn't deny he was no longer in charge.

You could tell when Ty finally left, on social media, those guys were still playing for Ty. It was a sore spot for the Stitt Pile when Jordan Tripp, being interviewed for today's game, pointed that out.

Still playing for Tyler on social media? That's cute.

 

[UMGriz75]

Still playing for Tyler on social media? That's cute.

Sample Player comments at the time, on "social media." Being just "cute" I suppose.

 

[UMGriz75]

Not a single social media congratulations to Coach Semore. Not one.

From a management perspective, you keep somebody like Ty Gregorak, no matter what it takes.

The small man wanted him gone.

 

[umwsufan]

I get it, people loved Jim O'Day because he was a personable guy who would yuck it up. But the facts are stubborn. When Bobby moved on there was no search for a new coach. Plug rad was named coach with no real search. He hired a bunch of non-college coaches, and O'Day said they were putting the band back together. In 2010 the Griz went 6-4 against D1 competition and lost to the cats at home - with a stocked roster and many future NFL players. The next year was much the same shit show into November barely eeking out an unsatisfying win over DII team before finally coming alive right for the Cat game and 2 playoff games.

Then came the accusations and investigations. A retraining order that seemed under control and a QB back at practice until Pflugrad spoke to the press and inflames the wound, ultimately leading to criminal charges and a bogus trial. Ultimately it turned out Pflugrad knew players he'd received (marginal, bullshit benefit but still by the rules) un-allowed benefits from a booster, and all those wins were vacated due to "LACK OF INSTITUTIONAL CONTROL". That is on O'Day. So since 2009 the Griz have no conference titles, no deep playoff runs, and fewer scholarships than they should have because someone wasn't doing their job. As AD, that is on O'Day.. So call bullshit if you want, but those are the facts. Disagree all you want, but Pflugrad is an assistant coach at a community college, and O'Day isn't an AD anywhere.

Well, Grizbeer you really don't "get it"! Was it a lack of institutional control when an average of nearly 90 percent of our student-athletes graduated during his athletic directorship? Was a lack of institutional control defined by meeting NCAA academic standards every year during his tenure? Was a lack of institutional control defined by meeting Title Nine standards every year of his tenure? Was a lack of institutional control defined by an annual budget that was always in the black during his tenure? Was a lack of institutional control defined by the highest amount of funds raised during his 16 years in the athletic department in comparison to before he was hired and after he was terminated? Was it a lack of institutional control when his administration boasted the most longevity for men and women coaches who stayed with Griz athletics even though they were making less than their counterparts in the BSC? Was it a lack of institutional control when he was chosen to represent the Big Sky Conference on selection committees for football and basketball six of his nine years at the helm? Was it a lack of institutional control when he signed the TV contract for Griz football to be aired exclusively throughout Montana at the behest of the BSC? Grizbeer, with all due respect, you are entitled to your own justifications but not your own facts.

 

[Grizbeer]

I get it, people loved Jim O'Day because he was a personable guy who would yuck it up. But the facts are stubborn. When Bobby moved on there was no search for a new coach. Plug rad was named coach with no real search. He hired a bunch of non-college coaches, and O'Day said they were putting the band back together. In 2010 the Griz went 6-4 against D1 competition and lost to the cats at home - with a stocked roster and many future NFL players. The next year was much the same shit show into November barely eeking out an unsatisfying win over DII team before finally coming alive right for the Cat game and 2 playoff games.

Then came the accusations and investigations. A retraining order that seemed under control and a QB back at practice until Pflugrad spoke to the press and inflames the wound, ultimately leading to criminal charges and a bogus trial. Ultimately it turned out Pflugrad knew players he'd received (marginal, bullshit benefit but still by the rules) un-allowed benefits from a booster, and all those wins were vacated due to "LACK OF INSTITUTIONAL CONTROL". That is on O'Day. So since 2009 the Griz have no conference titles, no deep playoff runs, and fewer scholarships than they should have because someone wasn't doing their job. As AD, that is on O'Day.. So call bullshit if you want, but those are the facts. Disagree all you want, but Pflugrad is an assistant coach at a community college, and O'Day isn't an AD anywhere.

Well, Grizbeer you really don't "get it"! Was it a lack of institutional control when an average of nearly 90 percent of our student-athletes graduated during his athletic directorship? Was a lack of institutional control defined by meeting NCAA academic standards every year during his tenure? Was a lack of institutional control defined by meeting Title Nine standards every year of his tenure? Was a lack of institutional control defined by an annual budget that was always in the black during his tenure? Was a lack of institutional control defined by the highest amount of funds raised during his 16 years in the athletic department in comparison to before he was hired and after he was terminated? Was it a lack of institutional control when his administration boasted the most longevity for men and women coaches who stayed with Griz athletics even though they were making less than their counterparts in the BSC? Was it a lack of institutional control when he was chosen to represent the Big Sky Conference on selection committees for football and basketball six of his nine years at the helm? Was it a lack of institutional control when he signed the TV contract for Griz football to be aired exclusively throughout Montana at the behest of the BSC? Grizbeer, with all due respect, you are entitled to your own justifications but not your own facts.

cool so you post a bunch of opinions but question facts? Ok no real point arguing. Post a pic of all the trophies in the hall of champions Sind 2009....

 

[NzoneGriz]

Engstrom has been a lame duck when it comes to being a president. As much as I did not like Dennison, at least the school was working with him in place. Enrollment was growing, football team was allowed to work without intervention.

If what all GrizBeer has said was true I would imagine it would have nullified any contract Pflugrad had. After all the investigations were done we still continued to pay Pflugrad because his contract was still intact. I would imagine O'day saw this and was part of the reason he refused to fire him, because he knew he actually couldn't because of his contract.

We apparently remember his second season very differently. We had a bumpy start but in the second half of the season the team was flat out putting teams down. Running up the score and never looking back. It was a fun season and I was very excited for the next season.

Engstroms knee jerk reaction really screwed the pooch. If I was a coach I would not want to come work for someone like that. Someone who feels the need to chop the top off of a program just to get his way. Enrollment numbers have been plummeting since then and he has shown he does not have the competence to stop the hemorrhaging. He has gutted programs in the name of saving the budget. There has been no emphasis on recruiting especially into any of the sciences. Every commercial I have seen for enrollment has been something to do with the business school or Native American Studies. Not the chem program, or pharmacy program, or any of the athletic sciences, political science, or law school. Unless I knew the school, I would have no idea these programs existed.

If this continues for much longer, you would think the school would have to take a hard look at the leadership and the way they have been handling these situations. I for one, am not an Engstrom fan and never have been.

 

[PlayerRep]

Jesus, did Tyler ever defeat EWU as DC? Did he ever defeat Cal Poly?
He wasn't getting it done. Beating the Griz today doesn't change that.

Yes, TG as DC beat EWU and Cal Poly in 2015. Where have you been?