How many of you are content with the shit this conference subjects us to

[BadlandsGrizFan]

How many of you are content with the shit this conference subjects us to? I mean, I've seen better broadcasts of U6 soccer games. I KNOW I've seen better officiating at those games. And don't even get me started on the unbalanced schedule, ND games counting but not counting, and all the other shit we just happily let the fat cats at the bsc feed us.

IN all honesty, WHEN are we going to stand up and say enough of this shit is enough, and either the bsc better improve, or we're getting the eff out? MONTANA deserves better.

I just wish they would do the simple things that in 2018 are really freaking easy. You could hire local high school kids in the cities where home games are being played to get better streaming services than some of the shit we see.

I watched a freaking live stream of two rockets leaving the earths atmosphere..and a space suit dummy floating through space in a Tesla in perfect HD....but I cant get a decent signal from SLO?????

 

[PlayerRep]

UMass has won 16 games in 7 years. Played its home games in Boston, a couple hours away, for years. Has 2 wins this year. Over Duquense and Charlotte. UMass football has sucked since it moved up.

Attendance of 8700 and 10,100 for their 2 homes games this season. Against the teams mentioned above. Exciting home games, ya think. Even at Boston College, only 30,000 came.

No thanks.

And all but two bsc programs would KILLLLLL for that attendance.

Not in FBS, they wouldn't kill for that attendance.

If UM won 16 games in 7 years, UM's attendance would be less than UMass'.

Do you believe that would happen?

See, this is what I don’t understand: “the we’re just Montana and we’ll fail at the FBS level” thinking. Seriously, if I had to live my personal or professional life with that attitude I’d slit my wrists.

Grow some balls, people. We’re MONTANA. Give us 22 more scholarships and you believe we couldn’t compete with Wyoming, Air Force, Colorado State, etc? And even if we do lose a little more often, it’s to Colorado State not freakin noco!!

Yes, UM attendance would fall apart if the team won 16 games in 7 years. Even diehard fans would stop attending consistently and stop going out of their way to watch the games on tv/streaming. When your team gets pounded every week, the games aren't fun. Tailgating would be less fun, as there would be so many fewer people. Students wouldn't go to games in large numbers. Bandwagon fans would be gone in a couple years.

Season tickets would have a huge drop. People wouldn't need to lock up seats with season tickets, as they would be easily available for any game.

Lower attendance and lower season tickets would kill the the athletic budget. UM isn't in a position now to further subsidize a declining athletic budget. Bodnar and the Regents would need take that risk.

Would UM "fail" at FBS? Don't know, but UM certainly wouldn't be starting seasons at 5-1 and going to the playoffs every year. Look what happened to attendance in the Stitt years. Miss the playoffs once, in 2016, and have a less than specular season in 2017, and attendance drops almost 2,000 per game. 2,000 per game times 6 games equals 12,000, times $40 per game, plus lost revenue from parking, concessions and Griz gear, that's probably a loss of $550,000 - $600,000 in the year.

I just don't think a lot of fans would attend games consistently if the team wasn't winning most games and going to the playoffs.

We Are Montana is a phrase. It's a cliche. If you want to build your success and financing at the FBS level around a phrase, go for it. Sorry, but it takes a lot more than that for success.

Plus, there's really no realistic FBS conference at this point.

Sorry to say, but it takes more than growing ball and chasing windmills. UM hasn't even been able to get to the playoffs and beat the Cats the past 2 years. How in the heck would UM magically start competing well against MW teams week after week?

If you took undue risks like this in your professional life, you would fail or be fired.

 

[MikeyGriz]

What do Marshall, Buffalo, Liberty, Idaho, ........................have to show for their move?

Marshall has plenty to show relative to their tenure in FCS - as do BSU, Nevada, Appie St., Troy, GA Southern, Liberty.....ask them if they prefer to return to FCS. After dominating the MAC (68-21), Marshall is 47-23 in the last 6 years in Conf. USA. They have numerous FBS conf championships which fades their '96 FCS NC away. They have substantially grown their facilities and capabilities since leaving FCS and produce numerous NFL players. Then there's Old Dominion which just embarrassed VA Tech. Do you think their fan base would prefer to see them play VMI?

With all of this success how many national championship playoffs were they eligible for? What quality bowl games did they play in? Conference championships of Conference USA. That and $1 will get you coffee a lot of places. Outside of Conference USA, who cares? Where did that championship get them ranked nationally (I honestly don't know)? I would think that would be a measure of the national respect of that conference.


Hell, ask Idaho fans if they would prefer to see them return to FCS. Sometimes reality forces less than desirable outcomes.

 

[MikeyGriz]

What do Marshall, Buffalo, Liberty, Idaho, ........................have to show for their move?

Marshall has plenty to show relative to their tenure in FCS - as do BSU, Nevada, Appie St., Troy, GA Southern, Liberty.....ask them if they prefer to return to FCS. After dominating the MAC (68-21), Marshall is 47-23 in the last 6 years in Conf. USA. They have numerous FBS conf championships which fades their '96 FCS NC away. They have substantially grown their facilities and capabilities since leaving FCS and produce numerous NFL players. Then there's Old Dominion which just embarrassed VA Tech. Do you think their fan base would prefer to see them play VMI?

With all of this success how many national championship playoffs were they eligible for? What quality bowl games did they play in? Conference championships of Conference USA. That and $1 will get you coffee a lot of places. Outside of Conference USA, who cares? Where did that championship get them ranked nationally (I honestly don't know)? I would think that would be a measure of the national respect of that conference.


Hell, ask Idaho fans if they would prefer to see them return to FCS. Sometimes reality forces less than desirable outcomes.

I'm not arguing that all of these schools don't have larger budgets, but I don't see what that gets them. Winning the MWC or Conference USA doesn't seem like that great of a prize to me. My perception is that most of the nation could care less about it also.

 

[EverettGriz]

Here’s my question that no one with that line of thinking has ever been able to answer: if the goal is simply to have playoffs and a chance to win a “national” championship that extremely few care about, why not move down to DII?

 

[dupuyer griz]

We could be paying for eapn+ that I don’t have the internet’s to run.

Sober up before the next post.

Sober up my hot tits, our internet where we live is barely enough before we hit the data cap.

 

[PlayerRep]

Here’s my question that no one with that line of thinking has ever been able to answer: if the goal is simply to have playoffs and a chance to win a “national” championship that extremely few care about, why not move down to DII?

The goal is not simply to have the playoffs and win a national championship. And, many people care about the FCS national championship, especially players, coaches and Griz fans.

The goal includes having a great game day atmosphere, great attendance, huge fun on game day and during the season. And, giving Montana and other kids are chance to have a great college football experience and get a good education, and allow students at UM who like football and sports to share in the experience. D-II doesn't do that.

And to do it on an affordable basis for the school.

 

[dupuyer griz]

What do Marshall, Buffalo, Liberty, Idaho, ........................have to show for their move?

Marshall has plenty to show relative to their tenure in FCS - as do BSU, Nevada, Appie St., Troy, GA Southern, Liberty.....ask them if they prefer to return to FCS. After dominating the MAC (68-21), Marshall is 47-23 in the last 6 years in Conf. USA. They have numerous FBS conf championships which fades their '96 FCS NC away. They have substantially grown their facilities and capabilities since leaving FCS and produce numerous NFL players. Then there's Old Dominion which just embarrassed VA Tech. Do you think their fan base would prefer to see them play VMI?

With all of this success how many national championship playoffs were they eligible for? What quality bowl games did they play in? Conference championships of Conference USA. That and $1 will get you coffee a lot of places. Outside of Conference USA, who cares? Where did that championship get them ranked nationally (I honestly don't know)? I would think that would be a measure of the national respect of that conference.


Hell, ask Idaho fans if they would prefer to see them return to FCS. Sometimes reality forces less than desirable outcomes.

I have to agree here, if you think I’m going to take my kids in to look at the trophy for winning the mountain west over the National championship trophy, you’re hanging somewhere between Sloth and Kenny Albert. The fact that people think the wac mw cusa are “real” and the big sky is the worst are just silly. The only “real” conferences are the power 5.

 

[kemajic]

I'm not arguing that all of these schools don't have larger budgets, but I don't see what that gets them. Winning the MWC or Conference USA doesn't seem like that great of a prize to me. My perception is that most of the nation could care less about it also.

Unlike what most of the nation cares about FCS....

 

[grizindabox]

Here’s my question that no one with that line of thinking has ever been able to answer: if the goal is simply to have playoffs and a chance to win a “national” championship that extremely few care about, why not move down to DII?

Probably because they would like to do it at the highest level possible. But why limit it to D2, they would fit nice in the frontier.

 

[AZGrizFan]

Would UM "fail" at FBS? Don't know, but UM certainly wouldn't be starting seasons at 5-1 and going to the playoffs every year. Look what happened to attendance in the Stitt years. Miss the playoffs once, in 2016, and have a less than specular season in 2017, and attendance drops almost 2,000 per game. 2,000 per game times 6 games equals 12,000, times $40 per game, plus lost revenue from parking, concessions and Griz gear, that's probably a loss of $550,000 - $600,000 in the year.

We Are Montana is a phrase. It's a cliche. If you want to build your success and financing at the FBS level around a phrase, go for it. Sorry, but it takes a lot more than that for success.

Plus, there's really no realistic FBS conference at this point.

Sorry to say, but it takes more than growing ball and chasing windmills. UM hasn't even been able to get to the playoffs and beat the Cats the past 2 years. How in the heck would UM magically start competing well against MW teams week after week?

I have been in the “move-up” camp for several years. But, having witnessed what happened during Stitt’s time here, I believe there’s truth in what PR is saying. I may not agree with the statement “we won’t be starting seasons 5-1”, but it’s now no longer a question: IF we start seasons less than optimally, fans WILL bail. The past two years have shown just how fickle a large portion of our fan base is. If we have a mediocre year or two, we’d see attendance plummet. People aren’t going to drive across the state to watch a team play .500 ball.

While I may not like what the BSC does (or is doing), that doesn’t change the fact that without vast changes in our funding structure, we’re at the level where we belong. EG, I think your energy would be better spent getting the BSC to change ITS actions/behaviors than to “chase windmills”, as PR said. Moving up is not the answer. Not right now, for sure.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

To no one in particular:

I agree we can't move up now. That's missing the point. The point is that we can't sit around for another 15 years changing/venturing literally nothing and expecting the status quo to remain forever. "Welp, we just don't have the finances" was true 15 years ago, it's true today because of what wasn't done in the last 15 years, but that doesn't mean we should just blindly accept it has to be true in 15 years. I'm not saying we have to fly to the moon, but at least outline a plan to take the elevator above the 3rd floor.

 

[nodak651]

The problem: the Big Sky has too many members, and too many of which are "have not" schools.

Solution: split off and start a new conference.

Montana's current situation is exactly why the NCHC was created after the Big Ten schools left the WCHA and CCHA. Most of you won't get the reference, but the "have not" schools outnumbered the schools that wanted to have first-class programs. The "have not" schools were going to have control of the decision making process, so the best leftover programs from the WCHA and CCHA started a new conference, so they could continue to play with like-minded schools. Today the NCHC is the top conference in the country. Had the schools done nothing, their programs likely would have suffered, anchored down by the low budget schools that the Big Ten teams abandoned.

Montana needs to play football in a conference with like-minded programs.

If I was an AD, I would look at starting a football only conference with the Dakotas and like-minded schools in the Big Sky.

Schools out west would get to play schools that actually have a fan base, media attention, and quality tv broadcasts. They could also play non conference games that are actually against teams not in their conference.

The Dakotas would put pressure on the football playing MVC schools, which would in-turn help to solidify the Summit, IMO.

This would also put these schools in a great position for if/when there is realignment of the p5/G5/FCS.

None of this will ever happen, but it would be better than the current situation.

 

[AZGrizFan]

To no one in particular:

I agree we can't move up now. That's missing the point. The point is that we can't sit around for another 15 years changing/venturing literally nothing and expecting the status quo to remain forever. "Welp, we just don't have the finances" was true 15 years ago, it's true today because of what wasn't done in the last 15 years, but that doesn't mean we should just blindly accept it has to be true in 15 years. I'm not saying we have to fly to the moon, but at least outline a plan to take the elevator above the 3rd floor.

Agreed as well. And I would think that starts with getting the BSC to get its shit together concurrently. I would also argue that the locker rooms & champions center ARE steps in the “move up” direction....next step is an indoor practice facility.

 

[WILDCATFAN]

How many of you are content with the shit this conference subjects us to? I mean, I've seen better broadcasts of U6 soccer games. I KNOW I've seen better officiating at those games. And don't even get me started on the unbalanced schedule, ND games counting but not counting, and all the other shit we just happily let the fat cats at the bsc feed us.

IN all honesty, WHEN are we going to stand up and say enough of this shit is enough, and either the bsc better improve, or we're getting the eff out? MONTANA deserves better.

The unbalanced Schedule is the only legitimate argument you have in this entire post.

A. It is not the Big Sky's fault that Cal Poly, one of the top Academic universities in the nation cant figure out how to run a camera.

B. Yeah it really sucks that you can download a simple app or log onto a website and watch any Big Sky home game for free. What a terrible situation it is.

C. Officiating sucks in every conference. You just see it more in the Big Sky because spoilers... your school plays in the Big Sky.

D. Games vs North Dakota count as conference games for everyone but North Dakota, it's part of an arrangement that the Big Sky made with North Dakota due to their abrupt departure and lack of foresight. It's not that hard to figure out.

E. Montana is where they are because it's where they WANT to be. Maybe someday when the great reshuffle happens again Montana may make the move, but if they didnt make it last time, why would they do it next time? Montana is staying in the Big Sky for the foreseeable future.....DEAL WITH IT.


#BAW

 

[maroonandsilver]

And all but two bsc programs would KILLLLLL for that attendance.

Not in FBS, they wouldn't kill for that attendance.

If UM won 16 games in 7 years, UM's attendance would be less than UMass'.

Do you believe that would happen?

See, this is what I don’t understand: “the we’re just Montana and we’ll fail at the FBS level” thinking. Seriously, if I had to live my personal or professional life with that attitude I’d slit my wrists.

Grow some balls, people. We’re MONTANA. Give us 22 more scholarships and you believe we couldn’t compete with Wyoming, Air Force, Colorado State, etc? And even if we do lose a little more often, it’s to Colorado State not freakin noco!!

Yes, UM attendance would fall apart if the team won 16 games in 7 years. Even diehard fans would stop attending consistently and stop going out of their way to watch the games on tv/streaming. When your team gets pounded every week, the games aren't fun. Tailgating would be less fun, as there would be so many fewer people. Students wouldn't go to games in large numbers. Bandwagon fans would be gone in a couple years.

Season tickets would have a huge drop. People wouldn't need to lock up seats with season tickets, as they would be easily available for any game.

Lower attendance and lower season tickets would kill the the athletic budget. UM isn't in a position now to further subsidize a declining athletic budget. Bodnar and the Regents would need take that risk.

Would UM "fail" at FBS? Don't know, but UM certainly wouldn't be starting seasons at 5-1 and going to the playoffs every year. Look what happened to attendance in the Stitt years. Miss the playoffs once, in 2016, and have a less than specular season in 2017, and attendance drops almost 2,000 per game. 2,000 per game times 6 games equals 12,000, times $40 per game, plus lost revenue from parking, concessions and Griz gear, that's probably a loss of $550,000 - $600,000 in the year.

I just don't think a lot of fans would attend games consistently if the team wasn't winning most games and going to the playoffs.

We Are Montana is a phrase. It's a cliche. If you want to build your success and financing at the FBS level around a phrase, go for it. Sorry, but it takes a lot more than that for success.

Plus, there's really no realistic FBS conference at this point.

Sorry to say, but it takes more than growing ball and chasing windmills. UM hasn't even been able to get to the playoffs and beat the Cats the past 2 years. How in the heck would UM magically start competing well against MW teams week after week?

If you took undue risks like this in your professional life, you would fail or be fired.

PR: You are spot-on with this one. :clap: :thumb: :clap:

I will add one more thing: enrollment at UM is obviously way down. It will be sometime before it recovers to its historic high, if ever. The Athletic Department counts on the money from Student Athletic Fees. As enrollment is down likewise is the money contributed by students. The Athletic Department is therefor in an ongoing scramble to fund their programs at the current level. While I am an avid supporter/season ticket holder for softball, I will point out that adding softball while student contributions are less, contributes to the budgeting nightmare. There is no question that "moving up" is not affordable.

And less we forget, The Regents will NEVER approve UM and MSU being in different levels of competition.

 

[Silenoz]

How many of you are content with the shit this conference subjects us to? I mean, I've seen better broadcasts of U6 soccer games. I KNOW I've seen better officiating at those games. And don't even get me started on the unbalanced schedule, ND games counting but not counting, and all the other shit we just happily let the fat cats at the bsc feed us.

IN all honesty, WHEN are we going to stand up and say enough of this shit is enough, and either the bsc better improve, or we're getting the eff out? MONTANA deserves better.

The unbalanced Schedule is the only legitimate argument you have in this entire post.

A. It is not the Big Sky's fault that Cal Poly, one of the top Academic universities in the nation cant figure out how to run a camera.

B. Yeah it really sucks that you can download a simple app or log onto a website and watch any Big Sky home game for free. What a terrible situation it is.

C. Officiating sucks in every conference. You just see it more in the Big Sky because spoilers... your school plays in the Big Sky.

D. Games vs North Dakota count as conference games for everyone but North Dakota, it's part of an arrangement that the Big Sky made with North Dakota due to their abrupt departure and lack of foresight. It's not that hard to figure out.

E. Montana is where they are because it's where they WANT to be. Maybe someday when the great reshuffle happens again Montana may make the move, but if they didnt make it last time, why would they do it next time? Montana is staying in the Big Sky for the foreseeable future.....DEAL WITH IT.


#BAW

I know no-one gives a shit about watching Weber State (or whoever), but no, trying to watch that abortion of a broadcast on an app is not exactly optimal, and the BSC does get to share in the blame.

As opposed to, I dunno, these two random cellar dwellers from other "major" conferences:

http://www.gorhody.com/sports/m-footbl/2018-19/releases/20180814ktqqkx

https://gosycamores.com/schedule.aspx?schedule=171


Good try though

 

[WILDCATFAN]

How many of you are content with the shit this conference subjects us to? I mean, I've seen better broadcasts of U6 soccer games. I KNOW I've seen better officiating at those games. And don't even get me started on the unbalanced schedule, ND games counting but not counting, and all the other shit we just happily let the fat cats at the bsc feed us.

IN all honesty, WHEN are we going to stand up and say enough of this shit is enough, and either the bsc better improve, or we're getting the eff out? MONTANA deserves better.

The unbalanced Schedule is the only legitimate argument you have in this entire post.

A. It is not the Big Sky's fault that Cal Poly, one of the top Academic universities in the nation cant figure out how to run a camera.

B. Yeah it really sucks that you can download a simple app or log onto a website and watch any Big Sky home game for free. What a terrible situation it is.

C. Officiating sucks in every conference. You just see it more in the Big Sky because spoilers... your school plays in the Big Sky.

D. Games vs North Dakota count as conference games for everyone but North Dakota, it's part of an arrangement that the Big Sky made with North Dakota due to their abrupt departure and lack of foresight. It's not that hard to figure out.

E. Montana is where they are because it's where they WANT to be. Maybe someday when the great reshuffle happens again Montana may make the move, but if they didnt make it last time, why would they do it next time? Montana is staying in the Big Sky for the foreseeable future.....DEAL WITH IT.


#BAW

I know no-one gives a shit about watching Weber State (or whoever), but no, trying to watch that abortion of a broadcast on an app is not exactly optimal, and the BSC does get to share in the blame.

As opposed to, I dunno, these two random cellar dwellers from other "major" conferences:

http://www.gorhody.com/sports/m-footbl/2018-19/releases/20180814ktqqkx

https://gosycamores.com/schedule.aspx?schedule=171


Good try though

That is your counter argument? that teams in the Northeast get games on tv in the Northeast? Where the only people who get to watch them are from the Northeast? Whoopdee do man.

Optimal? I have had absolutely no problems watching any of the games on pluto. None. So yeah for me, it has been optimal. Does Cal Poly's video suck, yeah it does but that is hardly the Big Sky's fault. Maybe if you're having problems watching the app you should consider upgrading.

While I don't watch Weber's home games online since I go to them all, I sometimes watch the replays and Weber's audio and video are pretty damn good. And as for is watching Weber who gives a damn who is or isn't? I'd expect the people watching Weber are either Weber fans or fans of the team playing Weber.....just like every other fan base.

And just as an FYI, no one outside of Montana fans or BSC fans in general gives two shits about watching the Grizzlies play football or any sport for that matter. Anyone who says otherwise is deluding themselves. I don't know or hear about many Boise State or Utah State or BYU fans pining to watch the next Montana game. Get off your high horse.

Montana is very fortunate to have what they currently have. They deserve it. Maybe Montana fans should come to realize just how good they have it, instead of constantly complaining about what they don't have.

Just my two cents

 

[Ursa Major]

How many of you are content with the shit this conference subjects us to? I mean, I've seen better broadcasts of U6 soccer games. I KNOW I've seen better officiating at those games. And don't even get me started on the unbalanced schedule, ND games counting but not counting, and all the other shit we just happily let the fat cats at the bsc feed us.

IN all honesty, WHEN are we going to stand up and say enough of this shit is enough, and either the bsc better improve, or we're getting the eff out? MONTANA deserves better.

The unbalanced Schedule is the only legitimate argument you have in this entire post.

A. It is not the Big Sky's fault that Cal Poly, one of the top Academic universities in the nation cant figure out how to run a camera.

B. Yeah it really sucks that you can download a simple app or log onto a website and watch any Big Sky home game for free. What a terrible situation it is.

C. Officiating sucks in every conference. You just see it more in the Big Sky because spoilers... your school plays in the Big Sky.

D. Games vs North Dakota count as conference games for everyone but North Dakota, it's part of an arrangement that the Big Sky made with North Dakota due to their abrupt departure and lack of foresight. It's not that hard to figure out.

E. Montana is where they are because it's where they WANT to be. Maybe someday when the great reshuffle happens again Montana may make the move, but if they didnt make it last time, why would they do it next time? Montana is staying in the Big Sky for the foreseeable future.....DEAL WITH IT.


#BAW

I know no-one gives a shit about watching Weber State (or whoever), but no, trying to watch that abortion of a broadcast on an app is not exactly optimal, and the BSC does get to share in the blame.

As opposed to, I dunno, these two random cellar dwellers from other "major" conferences:

http://www.gorhody.com/sports/m-footbl/2018-19/releases/20180814ktqqkx

https://gosycamores.com/schedule.aspx?schedule=171


Good try though

That is your counter argument? that teams in the Northeast get games on tv in the Northeast? Where the only people who get to watch them are from the Northeast? Whoopdee do man.

Optimal? I have had absolutely no problems watching any of the games on pluto. None. So yeah for me, it has been optimal. Does Cal Poly's video suck, yeah it does but that is hardly the Big Sky's fault. Maybe if you're having problems watching the app you should consider upgrading.

While I don't watch Weber's home games online since I go to them all, I sometimes watch the replays and Weber's audio and video are pretty damn good.

And just as an FYI, no one outside of Montana fans or BSC fans in general gives two shits about watching the Grizzlies play football or any sport for that matter. Anyone who says otherwise is deluding themselves. I don't know or hear about many Boise State or Utah State or BYU fans pining to watch the next Montana game. Get off your high horse.

Montana is very fortunate to have what they currently have. They deserve it. Maybe Montana fans should come to realize just how good they have it, instead of constantly complaining about what they don't have.

Just my two cents

Thanks for stopping by Commissioner Loghry. :thumb:

 

[Silenoz]

That is your counter argument? that teams in the Northeast get games on tv in the Northeast? Where the only people who get to watch them are from the Northeast? Whoopdee do man.

Optimal? I have had absolutely no problems watching any of the games on pluto. None. So yeah for me, it has been optimal. Does Cal Poly's video suck, yeah it does but that is hardly the Big Sky's fault. Maybe if you're having problems watching the app you should consider upgrading.

While I don't watch Weber's home games online since I go to them all, I sometimes watch the replays and Weber's audio and video are pretty damn good. And as for is watching Weber who gives a damn who is or isn't? I'd expect the people watching Weber are either Weber fans or fans of the team playing Weber.....just like every other fan base.

And just as an FYI, no one outside of Montana fans or BSC fans in general gives two shits about watching the Grizzlies play football or any sport for that matter. Anyone who says otherwise is deluding themselves. I don't know or hear about many Boise State or Utah State or BYU fans pining to watch the next Montana game. Get off your high horse.

Montana is very fortunate to have what they currently have. They deserve it. Maybe Montana fans should come to realize just how good they have it, instead of constantly complaining about what they don't have.

Just my two cents

No, my counter argument was that the Big Sky has the worst "TV deal" of any major FCS conference. That spans the USA, not just the "Northeast."

Pretty hilarious that you come onto our board with this aggressive shit and throw around words like 'high horse" and "deluded" and "complaining." Sorry dude, it's a shit deal, and the 800,000 people in this state that follow FCS ball (the people I was referring to, not Boise State fans for Chrissakes) have every right to voice their feedback. If you and the 3,000 other Weber fans are happy with it, then enjoy settling for it.