How many of you are content with the shit this conference subjects us to

[mtgrizrule]

It is pretty true though. Yes, I was, and still am a move up proponent. If it is a matter of finances, maybe it would be wise to invest more heavily into the basketball program. DeCuire certainly has a strong foundation built for it. NCAA tournament revenue would be a huge help. If we can consistently become a NCAA tournament darling, it would give Montana more power in negotiations, with both the Big Sky and bigger conferences.

Disagree, because football money is what drives decisions...not basketball.

I'm pretty sure the point was "If the bball program could earn more, the athletic department would have more money and leverage", and it's honestly the only thing that even resembles a "plan" I've seen. I know it doesn't happen overnight, but UM Bball has a lot going for it with facilities and being the only show for miles around. The Champions Center can't hurt. We hear all the time that we are hamstrung due to finances, and investing more in an already solid program in a sport that has the poetential to bring in duckets isn't exactly a bad idea just because "we have a football program".

Thanks CDA, you nailed it. :thumb: :clap:

 

[MissoulaMarinerFan]

I think the competition in the conference between ALL sports is fine. I think the presentation of said sports within the conference outside a couple bright spots is....not good.

 

[Ursa Major]

We could be paying for eapn+ that I don’t have the internet’s to run.

Sober up before the next post.

Hahaha! Love this response, Kem. Unfortunately, if sobriety was a gatekeeper for eGriz we would look more like the NAU board.

 

[Ursa Major]

How many of you are content with the shit this conference subjects us to? I mean, I've seen better broadcasts of U6 soccer games. I KNOW I've seen better officiating at those games. And don't even get me started on the unbalanced schedule, ND games counting but not counting, and all the other shit we just happily let the fat cats at the bsc feed us.

IN all honesty, WHEN are we going to stand up and say enough of this shit is enough, and either the bsc better improve, or we're getting the eff out? MONTANA deserves better.

Good post, EG. I'm sure the vast majority of sane Griz fans certainly share most if not all of this sentiment. I will write more as soon as the Eleven Sports live coverage of the Cal Poly game finishes. Can you believe that Dante Olson already has 12 tackles at halftime? Go Griz!

 

[JMC]

The Eleven Sports coverage sucks. It looks like a junior high production!

 

[EverettGriz]

The conference is not a joke. It is a good conference.

Please support your position.

 

[EverettGriz]

We could be paying for eapn+ that I don’t have the internet’s to run.

Sober up before the next post.

Hahaha! Love this response, Kem. Unfortunately, if sobriety was a gatekeeper for eGriz we would look more like the NAU board.

Hahahahaha!!

 

[CDAGRIZ]

How many of you are content with the shit this conference subjects us to? I mean, I've seen better broadcasts of U6 soccer games. I KNOW I've seen better officiating at those games. And don't even get me started on the unbalanced schedule, ND games counting but not counting, and all the other shit we just happily let the fat cats at the bsc feed us.

IN all honesty, WHEN are we going to stand up and say enough of this shit is enough, and either the bsc better improve, or we're getting the eff out? MONTANA deserves better.

Good post, EG. I'm sure the vast majority of sane Griz fans certainly share most if not all of this sentiment. I will write more as soon as the Eleven Sports live coverage of the Cal Poly game finishes. Can you believe that Dante Olson already has 12 tackles at halftime? Go Griz!

Stop with the spoilers! I'm refreshing here!
:lol:

 

[grizindabox]

It is pretty true though. Yes, I was, and still am a move up proponent. If it is a matter of finances, maybe it would be wise to invest more heavily into the basketball program. DeCuire certainly has a strong foundation built for it. NCAA tournament revenue would be a huge help. If we can consistently become a NCAA tournament darling, it would give Montana more power in negotiations, with both the Big Sky and bigger conferences.

Disagree, because football money is what drives decisions...not basketball.

I'm pretty sure the point was "If the bball program could earn more, the athletic department would have more money and leverage", and it's honestly the only thing that even resembles a "plan" I've seen. I know it doesn't happen overnight, but UM Bball has a lot going for it with facilities and being the only show for miles around. The Champions Center can't hurt. We hear all the time that we are hamstrung due to finances, and investing more in an already solid program in a sport that has the poetential to bring in duckets isn't exactly a bad idea just because "we have a football program".

But football money is still king, so putting more money into basketball would mean less into football. If the Griz want to move onto a better conference with the options that could be available, they would have to increase football money, and to accomplish what is being suggested, increase basketball money also. Not sure where all that money comes from.

 

[Oso Negro]

Good post, EG. I'm sure the vast majority of sane Griz fans certainly share most if not all of this sentiment. I will write more as soon as the Eleven Sports live coverage of the Cal Poly game finishes. Can you believe that Dante Olson already has 12 tackles at halftime? Go Griz!

Lol. I see what you did there.

 

[EverettGriz]

Box, that's the kind of thinking that keeps us in the bsc with freshman at Kennedy High School filming our football games on something called "11 Sports". The money comes from the TV contracts -- both for football and basketball --that a real conference generates.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

It is pretty true though. Yes, I was, and still am a move up proponent. If it is a matter of finances, maybe it would be wise to invest more heavily into the basketball program. DeCuire certainly has a strong foundation built for it. NCAA tournament revenue would be a huge help. If we can consistently become a NCAA tournament darling, it would give Montana more power in negotiations, with both the Big Sky and bigger conferences.

Disagree, because football money is what drives decisions...not basketball.

I'm pretty sure the point was "If the bball program could earn more, the athletic department would have more money and leverage", and it's honestly the only thing that even resembles a "plan" I've seen. I know it doesn't happen overnight, but UM Bball has a lot going for it with facilities and being the only show for miles around. The Champions Center can't hurt. We hear all the time that we are hamstrung due to finances, and investing more in an already solid program in a sport that has the poetential to bring in duckets isn't exactly a bad idea just because "we have a football program".

But football money is still king, so putting more money into basketball would mean less into football. If the Griz want to move onto a better conference with the options that could be available, they would have to increase football money, and to accomplish what is being suggested, increase basketball money also. Not sure where all that money comes from.

Further to EG's post above (with which I agree), I'm not proposing that we take the FB budget and give it to Bball. I simply believe the Bball program could use a bit more attention, playing the long game, to hopefully maximize its potential for NCAA Tournament revenue. Make it out of the first weekend in the Dance a few times, and there's your money. Outline a plan, get big FB donors on board with Bball, and explain why it would benefit FB in the long run (as if it needs to be explained). Come up with something other than the tired, "we don't have the money." Find the fucking money; that's why you're paid money.

 

[EverettGriz]

Disagree, because football money is what drives decisions...not basketball.

I'm pretty sure the point was "If the bball program could earn more, the athletic department would have more money and leverage", and it's honestly the only thing that even resembles a "plan" I've seen. I know it doesn't happen overnight, but UM Bball has a lot going for it with facilities and being the only show for miles around. The Champions Center can't hurt. We hear all the time that we are hamstrung due to finances, and investing more in an already solid program in a sport that has the poetential to bring in duckets isn't exactly a bad idea just because "we have a football program".

But football money is still king, so putting more money into basketball would mean less into football. If the Griz want to move onto a better conference with the options that could be available, they would have to increase football money, and to accomplish what is being suggested, increase basketball money also. Not sure where all that money comes from.

Further to EG's post above (with which I agree), I'm not proposing that we take the FB budget and give it to Bball. I simply believe the Bball program could use a bit more attention, playing the long game, to hopefully maximize its potential for NCAA Tournament revenue. Make it out of the first weekend in the Dance a few times, and there's your money. Outline a plan, get big FB donors on board with Bball, and explain why it would benefit FB in the long run (as if it needs to be explained). Come up with something other than the tired, "we don't have the money." Find the f***[*] money; that's why you're paid money.

This. So much this.

 

[mtgrizrule]

It is pretty true though. Yes, I was, and still am a move up proponent. If it is a matter of finances, maybe it would be wise to invest more heavily into the basketball program. DeCuire certainly has a strong foundation built for it. NCAA tournament revenue would be a huge help. If we can consistently become a NCAA tournament darling, it would give Montana more power in negotiations, with both the Big Sky and bigger conferences.

Disagree, because football money is what drives decisions...not basketball.

I'm pretty sure the point was "If the bball program could earn more, the athletic department would have more money and leverage", and it's honestly the only thing that even resembles a "plan" I've seen. I know it doesn't happen overnight, but UM Bball has a lot going for it with facilities and being the only show for miles around. The Champions Center can't hurt. We hear all the time that we are hamstrung due to finances, and investing more in an already solid program in a sport that has the poetential to bring in duckets isn't exactly a bad idea just because "we have a football program".

But football money is still king, so putting more money into basketball would mean less into football. If the Griz want to move onto a better conference with the options that could be available, they would have to increase football money, and to accomplish what is being suggested, increase basketball money also. Not sure where all that money comes from.

You miss the point. We are saying, while we are where we are at, it might be wise now to invest more into basketball, at our current standing. There really is not a lot more we can put into football at this stage and level. Our football program is already on a pretty attrative level to sell perspective future conference partners. Our basketball program has much more room to grow, to get to that kind of attraction level. A strong basketball program helps our case to move. Also, if GRIZ basketball can become a consistent NCAA Tournament team/program it can give GRIZ athletics more power to within the Big Sky to make the necessary changes within the conference.

Typically, the 1 bid to the NCAA tournament is worth $1,000,000 to the conference, divided among the conference members. That is what the conference is used to. The expectation has to be set higher than that in basketball. If any 1 program can break into being a consistent final 32, or Sweet 16 team, a larger portion of that revenue should go directly to whichever program is truly making the money. At worse, that is an extra $1,000,000 going directly to that program/school. That would serve for some great motivation to up the level within the conference for basketball. For example: the U of M could use that additional money for coaching bonuses, additional recruiting funds etc. Hey Travis, here is the deal, as a reward for success, $250,000, $500,000 etc of this if for you and your program. How do you want this money used?

Because of the NCAA tournament revenue, Baskeball has the potential to be a terrific money maker. Additionally, money aside, it makes for a much better resume to put the athletic department, university, etc to put out to potential buyers, takers, potential conference affiliates, etc.

Using that to get to the MWC would be beneficial. There is no reason why Montana could not compete in football and basketball in that conference. At this stage, the basketball side of things have much more to prove than the football side does. Right now, football has some breathing room and time is for once a luxury. At some point, it would be nice to have basketball on nearly the same level as football has been at, and will get back to.

 

[Fahque]

It is pretty true though. Yes, I was, and still am a move up proponent. If it is a matter of finances, maybe it would be wise to invest more heavily into the basketball program. DeCuire certainly has a strong foundation built for it. NCAA tournament revenue would be a huge help. If we can consistently become a NCAA tournament darling, it would give Montana more power in negotiations, with both the Big Sky and bigger conferences.

Disagree, because football money is what drives decisions...not basketball.

I'm pretty sure the point was "If the bball program could earn more, the athletic department would have more money and leverage", and it's honestly the only thing that even resembles a "plan" I've seen. I know it doesn't happen overnight, but UM Bball has a lot going for it with facilities and being the only show for miles around. The Champions Center can't hurt. We hear all the time that we are hamstrung due to finances, and investing more in an already solid program in a sport that has the poetential to bring in duckets isn't exactly a bad idea just because "we have a football program".

But football money is still king, so putting more money into basketball would mean less into football. If the Griz want to move onto a better conference with the options that could be available, they would have to increase football money, and to accomplish what is being suggested, increase basketball money also. Not sure where all that money comes from.

Obviously not TV contracts

 

[mtgrizrule]

Disagree, because football money is what drives decisions...not basketball.

I'm pretty sure the point was "If the bball program could earn more, the athletic department would have more money and leverage", and it's honestly the only thing that even resembles a "plan" I've seen. I know it doesn't happen overnight, but UM Bball has a lot going for it with facilities and being the only show for miles around. The Champions Center can't hurt. We hear all the time that we are hamstrung due to finances, and investing more in an already solid program in a sport that has the poetential to bring in duckets isn't exactly a bad idea just because "we have a football program".

But football money is still king, so putting more money into basketball would mean less into football. If the Griz want to move onto a better conference with the options that could be available, they would have to increase football money, and to accomplish what is being suggested, increase basketball money also. Not sure where all that money comes from.

Further to EG's post above (with which I agree), I'm not proposing that we take the FB budget and give it to Bball. I simply believe the Bball program could use a bit more attention, playing the long game, to hopefully maximize its potential for NCAA Tournament revenue. Make it out of the first weekend in the Dance a few times, and there's your money. Outline a plan, get big FB donors on board with Bball, and explain why it would benefit FB in the long run (as if it needs to be explained). Come up with something other than the tired, "we don't have the money." Find the f***[*] money; that's why you're paid money.

Brilliant, at least we have 3 of us on the same page. Thank you CDA and EG. Hey, we have a start, at least here, we do. :thumb:

 

[grizindabox]

Disagree, because football money is what drives decisions...not basketball.

I'm pretty sure the point was "If the bball program could earn more, the athletic department would have more money and leverage", and it's honestly the only thing that even resembles a "plan" I've seen. I know it doesn't happen overnight, but UM Bball has a lot going for it with facilities and being the only show for miles around. The Champions Center can't hurt. We hear all the time that we are hamstrung due to finances, and investing more in an already solid program in a sport that has the poetential to bring in duckets isn't exactly a bad idea just because "we have a football program".

But football money is still king, so putting more money into basketball would mean less into football. If the Griz want to move onto a better conference with the options that could be available, they would have to increase football money, and to accomplish what is being suggested, increase basketball money also. Not sure where all that money comes from.

You miss the point. We are saying, while we are where we are at, it might be wise now to invest more into basketball, at our current standing. There really is not a lot more we can put into football at this stage and level. Our football program is already on a pretty attrative level to sell perspective future conference partners. Our basketball program has much more room to grow, to get to that kind of attraction level. A strong basketball program helps our case to move. Also, if GRIZ basketball can become a consistent NCAA Tournament team/program it can give GRIZ athletics more power to within the Big Sky to make the necessary changes within the conference.

Typically, the 1 bid to the NCAA tournament is worth $1,000,000 to the conference, divided among the conference members. That is what the conference is used to. The expectation has to be set higher than that in basketball. If any 1 program can break into being a consistent final 32, or Sweet 16 team, a larger portion of that revenue should go directly to whichever program is truly making the money. At worse, that is an extra $1,000,000 going directly to that program/school. That would serve for some great motivation to up the level within the conference for basketball. For example: the U of M could use that additional money for coaching bonuses, additional recruiting funds etc. Hey Travis, here is the deal, as a reward for success, $250,000, $500,000 etc of this if for you and your program. How do you want this money used?

Because of the NCAA tournament revenue, Baskeball has the potential to be a terrific money maker. Additionally, money aside, it makes for a much better resume to put the athletic department, university, etc to put out to potential buyers, takers, potential conference affiliates, etc.

Using that to get to the MWC would be beneficial. There is no reason why Montana could not compete in football and basketball in that conference. At this stage, the basketball side of things have much more to prove than the football side does. Right now, football has some breathing room and time is for once a luxury. At some point, it would be nice to have basketball on nearly the same level as football has been at, and will get back to.

My point, where do you get more to invest in basketball? How does basketball make more money, the amount necessary to actually make an impact?

 

[mtgrizrule]

I'm pretty sure the point was "If the bball program could earn more, the athletic department would have more money and leverage", and it's honestly the only thing that even resembles a "plan" I've seen. I know it doesn't happen overnight, but UM Bball has a lot going for it with facilities and being the only show for miles around. The Champions Center can't hurt. We hear all the time that we are hamstrung due to finances, and investing more in an already solid program in a sport that has the poetential to bring in duckets isn't exactly a bad idea just because "we have a football program".

But football money is still king, so putting more money into basketball would mean less into football. If the Griz want to move onto a better conference with the options that could be available, they would have to increase football money, and to accomplish what is being suggested, increase basketball money also. Not sure where all that money comes from.

You miss the point. We are saying, while we are where we are at, it might be wise now to invest more into basketball, at our current standing. There really is not a lot more we can put into football at this stage and level. Our football program is already on a pretty attrative level to sell perspective future conference partners. Our basketball program has much more room to grow, to get to that kind of attraction level. A strong basketball program helps our case to move. Also, if GRIZ basketball can become a consistent NCAA Tournament team/program it can give GRIZ athletics more power to within the Big Sky to make the necessary changes within the conference.

Typically, the 1 bid to the NCAA tournament is worth $1,000,000 to the conference, divided among the conference members. That is what the conference is used to. The expectation has to be set higher than that in basketball. If any 1 program can break into being a consistent final 32, or Sweet 16 team, a larger portion of that revenue should go directly to whichever program is truly making the money. At worse, that is an extra $1,000,000 going directly to that program/school. That would serve for some great motivation to up the level within the conference for basketball. For example: the U of M could use that additional money for coaching bonuses, additional recruiting funds etc. Hey Travis, here is the deal, as a reward for success, $250,000, $500,000 etc of this if for you and your program. How do you want this money used?

Because of the NCAA tournament revenue, Baskeball has the potential to be a terrific money maker. Additionally, money aside, it makes for a much better resume to put the athletic department, university, etc to put out to potential buyers, takers, potential conference affiliates, etc.

Using that to get to the MWC would be beneficial. There is no reason why Montana could not compete in football and basketball in that conference. At this stage, the basketball side of things have much more to prove than the football side does. Right now, football has some breathing room and time is for once a luxury. At some point, it would be nice to have basketball on nearly the same level as football has been at, and will get back to.

My point, where do you get more to invest in basketball? How does basketball make more money, the amount necessary to actually make an impact?

I have a feeling, after this basketball season, the results of the basketball team just may produce that. If not, time to smooze some big donors. If I had that kind of money, I would do it. I absolutely love where the basketball program is heading.

 

[grizindabox]

It still boils down to the fact that there is no where else to go.

 

[mtgrizrule]

It still boils down to the fact that there is no where else to go.

Depends on our attitude and what we are willing to do, or not do. I actually believe, the MWC is not as far out of reach as some believe. It is just a matter of a few more dominoes to fall into place. Both football and basketball, have to be in a great place to take advantage of it.