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How long can JJ last?

The way things are going regarding the protection of players I think the defense will eventually be forced to count to 3 - Mississippi before the rush the offense.
 
cclarkblues said:
The way things are going regarding the protection of players I think the defense will eventually be forced to count to 3 - Mississippi before the rush the offense.
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Edit: Oops, wrong post.
 
cclarkblues said:
PlayerRep said:
cclarkblues said:
At least we didn't see JJ trying to crawl off of the field like the LSU QB last night.
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That was odd. Is it okay to talk about SEC football on egriz, or should this thread now be moved somewhere else?
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Says the guy that starts the thread about Sabin's height...
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Obviously, the little joke went over your head. I like how you spelled the coach's name, though.
 
I'm not asking how long he will last because he is getting hit too much. I'm asking because defenders are getting to him at full speed, a lot... Even sub-par teams seem to penetrate our O-line like there is no opposition. I realize he is a qb, and he is going to go down a lot, but it shouldn't be A to C so often. Where is the B in this equation?

B= O-line
 
No arguing that every quarterback will face pressure and will take hits. Maybe JJ is not getting more hits than others. Nevertheless, it appears to be a more regular occurrence when the pocket collapses and JJ is flushed out of the pocket after just a few seconds. JJ is running for his life and has succeeded in avoiding the sack in several instances. Some of them are broken plays, where JJ buys extra time and receivers break off their original route. In some cases it is JJ's scrambling ability and EH's ability to get separation from the defense, that are producing the big plays. How long can UM count on those big plays from improvised/not originally-planned plays? When JJ had the interceptions, I was thinking to myself "live by the sword, die by the sword".



AZGrizFan said:
PlayerRep said:
Thanks for doing this, AZ. Very interesting. I appreciate the research you've been doing this fall. Very helpful.
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Well, I'm not trying to be a dick about it, but the implication is that JJ is getting hit way more, or way harder than other QB's in the league and it's just not really true. I'm not kidding, there was one time I wasn't sure VA was getting up after getting high/lowed by three 'scat defenders...oh and he happened to throw a TD pass on that play...these guys hang in the pocket WAY longer than QB's used to, and take the punishment for it...but it's a risk/reward thing and they're usually rewarded handsomely. It might be a function of the defense sending the house, it might be a function of a receiver taking an extra second or two to break open, it might be a lot of things...it isn't always the offensive line. SOMETIMES it's the Offensive line, sure, but not every time...in fact, not even MOST of the time.
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Gotcha. And my only point in analyzing the EWU/MSU game was to point out that, roughly the same # of times, it happens to EWU's QB and MSU's QB...pocket collapses, QB flushes out, runs for his life and scrambles to make something happen with his feet while still having the presence to keep his eyes downfield and look for an open receiver. Think about the viscious hit Vernon Adams took on that 86-yard TD pass over the top of JP. He took another one (possibly worse) Saturday on an almost IDENTICAL play to Shaq Hill...only this time VA got sandwiched high/low by about 3 Bobcat defenders just as he let the ball go and honestly, I wasn't sure he was getting up. And based on numbers, JJ might get hit 3-4 times more per GAME than the other QB's....that hardly qualifies as an O-line "without a pulse" as some here have intimated.
There are certainly times where there appears to be NO O-line interference with an oncoming defender, but 98% of the time that's when the defense sends 6 and we have 5 blockers. The math usually just doesn't add up and the defense is selling out to get to JJ before he can make magic happen...sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. That's football.

Proud Griz Man said:
No arguing that every quarterback will face pressure and will take hits. Maybe JJ is not getting more hits than others. Nevertheless, it appears to be a more regular occurrence when the pocket collapses and JJ is flushed out of the pocket after just a few seconds. JJ is running for his life and has succeeded in avoiding the sack in several instances. Some of them are broken plays, where JJ buys extra time and receivers break off their original route. In some cases it is JJ's scrambling ability and EH's ability to get separation from the defense, that are producing the big plays. How long can UM count on those big plays from improvised/not originally-planned plays? When JJ had the interceptions, I was thinking to myself "live by the sword, die by the sword".

AZGrizFan said:
PlayerRep said:
Thanks for doing this, AZ. Very interesting. I appreciate the research you've been doing this fall. Very helpful.
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Well, I'm not trying to be a dick about it, but the implication is that JJ is getting hit way more, or way harder than other QB's in the league and it's just not really true. I'm not kidding, there was one time I wasn't sure VA was getting up after getting high/lowed by three 'scat defenders...oh and he happened to throw a TD pass on that play...these guys hang in the pocket WAY longer than QB's used to, and take the punishment for it...but it's a risk/reward thing and they're usually rewarded handsomely. It might be a function of the defense sending the house, it might be a function of a receiver taking an extra second or two to break open, it might be a lot of things...it isn't always the offensive line. SOMETIMES it's the Offensive line, sure, but not every time...in fact, not even MOST of the time.
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Is JJ suppose to call out that extra blitzer and change the play? Or are teams disguising it really well and hes not reading it
 
A couple of things I noticed when rewatching the game. With teams racking up so many yards and points against our defense, it looked like JJ was trying to press a little too hard on some throws he might have thrown away early in the year. He might feel he has more of a burden on him to make the play. He also appeared to flush out of the pocket a little early on some plays. May be an indication of his confidence in his O-Line to protect him. Accuracy suffers when you are forced to throw off balance or when running for your life. As good as JJ is, a couple of extra seconds to set up would help his completion average a lot as well as being able to check off on another receiver or two.
 
cclarkblues said:
A couple of things I noticed when rewatching the game. With teams racking up so many yards and points against our defense, it looked like JJ was trying to press a little too hard on some throws he might have thrown away early in the year. He might feel he has more of a burden on him to make the play. He also appeared to flush out of the pocket a little early on some plays. May be an indication of his confidence in his O-Line to protect him. Accuracy suffers when you are forced to throw off balance or when running for your life. As good as JJ is, a couple of extra seconds to set up would help his completion average a lot as well as being able to check off on another receiver or two.
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All true, but a "couple of extra seconds" is a LIFETIME to an offensive lineman. Seriously. Blocks held are measured in tenths of seconds...
 
AZGrizFan said:
cclarkblues said:
A couple of things I noticed when rewatching the game. With teams racking up so many yards and points against our defense, it looked like JJ was trying to press a little too hard on some throws he might have thrown away early in the year. He might feel he has more of a burden on him to make the play. He also appeared to flush out of the pocket a little early on some plays. May be an indication of his confidence in his O-Line to protect him. Accuracy suffers when you are forced to throw off balance or when running for your life. As good as JJ is, a couple of extra seconds to set up would help his completion average a lot as well as being able to check off on another receiver or two.
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All true, but a "couple of extra seconds" is a LIFETIME to an offensive lineman. Seriously. Blocks held are measured in tenths of seconds...
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You're right. I should have said "fractions of a second".
 
cclarkblues said:
AZGrizFan said:
cclarkblues said:
A couple of things I noticed when rewatching the game. With teams racking up so many yards and points against our defense, it looked like JJ was trying to press a little too hard on some throws he might have thrown away early in the year. He might feel he has more of a burden on him to make the play. He also appeared to flush out of the pocket a little early on some plays. May be an indication of his confidence in his O-Line to protect him. Accuracy suffers when you are forced to throw off balance or when running for your life. As good as JJ is, a couple of extra seconds to set up would help his completion average a lot as well as being able to check off on another receiver or two.
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All true, but a "couple of extra seconds" is a LIFETIME to an offensive lineman. Seriously. Blocks held are measured in tenths of seconds...
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You're right. I should have said "fractions of a second".
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Too many slow-developing pass plays with 5-7 step drops. Not enough slants and outs. No screen passes. Team is not taught how to attach the corner blitz with hot receiver. Sorry, don't want to provide too much realty on here..... Brinty might get his panties in a wad!
 
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