How is this team 7-2??

[Grizbacker1]

Better question - How is this team not 9-0?

We have the players, coaching has not put them in positions to win (against good teams).

no doubt about it. How can there be so many missed tackles 9 games into the season? The O Line was supposed to be the best in the FCS, it arguably isn't even the best in the BSC, and has NOT improved. The vaunted D of Coach Gregorak is not fooling anyone. All one has to do is look at the yardage and points the Griz are giving up. The D Backs, well, ugly is the only word that comes to mind. If the talent isn't there, that falls on the coaches and recruiting. Tell me the other schools in our league have more to offer so they are getting better kids back there. Sorry, don't think so.

To me, it is coaching. I don't care how nice the guys are, the program is going downhill with the current staff. That said, I want them to win, but for the players, period.

 

[AZGrizFan]

Better question - How is this team not 9-0?

We have the players, coaching has not put them in positions to win (against good teams).

no doubt about it. How can there be so many missed tackles 9 games into the season? The O Line was supposed to be the best in the FCS, it arguably isn't even the best in the BSC, and has NOT improved. The vaunted D of Coach Gregorak is not fooling anyone. All one has to do is look at the yardage and points the Griz are giving up. The D Backs, well, ugly is the only word that comes to mind. If the talent isn't there, that falls on the coaches and recruiting. Tell me the other schools in our league have more to offer so they are getting better kids back there. Sorry, don't think so.

To me, it is coaching. I don't care how nice the guys are, the program is going downhill with the current staff. That said, I want them to win, but for the players, period.

Ummm...last year through 9 games we were 4-5. This year we're 7-2. Last year we got 4 of our 5 wins against Idaho State, Weber State, UNC & Liberty. This year we don't get to count our UND win in the conference standings and we don't get to play ISU or UNC. Those are 3 of the 4 cellar dwellers (the other being Weber). I'd say "going downhill" is not quite true.

 

[Htowngriz]

Better question - How is this team not 9-0?

We have the players, coaching has not put them in positions to win (against good teams).

no doubt about it. How can there be so many missed tackles 9 games into the season? The O Line was supposed to be the best in the FCS, it arguably isn't even the best in the BSC, and has NOT improved. The vaunted D of Coach Gregorak is not fooling anyone. All one has to do is look at the yardage and points the Griz are giving up. The D Backs, well, ugly is the only word that comes to mind. If the talent isn't there, that falls on the coaches and recruiting. Tell me the other schools in our league have more to offer so they are getting better kids back there. Sorry, don't think so.

To me, it is coaching. I don't care how nice the guys are, the program is going downhill with the current staff. That said, I want them to win, but for the players, period.

How many current starters were actually recruited by the current coaching staff, jacker?

 

[grizindabox]

Better question - How is this team not 9-0?

We have the players, coaching has not put them in positions to win (against good teams).

no doubt about it. How can there be so many missed tackles 9 games into the season? The O Line was supposed to be the best in the FCS, it arguably isn't even the best in the BSC, and has NOT improved. The vaunted D of Coach Gregorak is not fooling anyone. All one has to do is look at the yardage and points the Griz are giving up. The D Backs, well, ugly is the only word that comes to mind. If the talent isn't there, that falls on the coaches and recruiting. Tell me the other schools in our league have more to offer so they are getting better kids back there. Sorry, don't think so.

To me, it is coaching. I don't care how nice the guys are, the program is going downhill with the current staff. That said, I want them to win, but for the players, period.

How many current starters were actually recruited by the current coaching staff, jacker?

I am not addressing if there is or isn't talent on the roster, but this is the 4th season for most the coaches on the staff. I would tend to believe that in their 3 recruiting classes, they would have guys playing if they were more talented than the guys recruited by the previous staff. So Htown......

 

[Grizbacker1]

Better question - How is this team not 9-0?

We have the players, coaching has not put them in positions to win (against good teams).

no doubt about it. How can there be so many missed tackles 9 games into the season? The O Line was supposed to be the best in the FCS, it arguably isn't even the best in the BSC, and has NOT improved. The vaunted D of Coach Gregorak is not fooling anyone. All one has to do is look at the yardage and points the Griz are giving up. The D Backs, well, ugly is the only word that comes to mind. If the talent isn't there, that falls on the coaches and recruiting. Tell me the other schools in our league have more to offer so they are getting better kids back there. Sorry, don't think so.

To me, it is coaching. I don't care how nice the guys are, the program is going downhill with the current staff. That said, I want them to win, but for the players, period.

How many current starters were actually recruited by the current coaching staff, jacker?

jacker? so I am not entitled to an opinion?

 

[AZGrizFan]

Better question - How is this team not 9-0?

We have the players, coaching has not put them in positions to win (against good teams).

no doubt about it. How can there be so many missed tackles 9 games into the season? The O Line was supposed to be the best in the FCS, it arguably isn't even the best in the BSC, and has NOT improved. The vaunted D of Coach Gregorak is not fooling anyone. All one has to do is look at the yardage and points the Griz are giving up. The D Backs, well, ugly is the only word that comes to mind. If the talent isn't there, that falls on the coaches and recruiting. Tell me the other schools in our league have more to offer so they are getting better kids back there. Sorry, don't think so.

To me, it is coaching. I don't care how nice the guys are, the program is going downhill with the current staff. That said, I want them to win, but for the players, period.

How many current starters were actually recruited by the current coaching staff, jacker?

jacker? so I am not entitled to an opinion?

Nope. You forfeit that right at 24,000 posts.

 

[Grizbacker1]

Better question - How is this team not 9-0?

We have the players, coaching has not put them in positions to win (against good teams).

no doubt about it. How can there be so many missed tackles 9 games into the season? The O Line was supposed to be the best in the FCS, it arguably isn't even the best in the BSC, and has NOT improved. The vaunted D of Coach Gregorak is not fooling anyone. All one has to do is look at the yardage and points the Griz are giving up. The D Backs, well, ugly is the only word that comes to mind. If the talent isn't there, that falls on the coaches and recruiting. Tell me the other schools in our league have more to offer so they are getting better kids back there. Sorry, don't think so.

To me, it is coaching. I don't care how nice the guys are, the program is going downhill with the current staff. That said, I want them to win, but for the players, period.

Ummm...last year through 9 games we were 4-5. This year we're 7-2. Last year we got 4 of our 5 wins against Idaho State, Weber State, UNC & Liberty. This year we don't get to count our UND win in the conference standings and we don't get to play ISU or UNC. Those are 3 of the 4 cellar dwellers (the other being Weber). I'd say "going downhill" is not quite true.

last year was last year, and to compare it to this one, is pretty difficult, based on numerous things, the distractions, no qb to speak of, etal.

 

[AZGrizFan]

Better question - How is this team not 9-0?

We have the players, coaching has not put them in positions to win (against good teams).

no doubt about it. How can there be so many missed tackles 9 games into the season? The O Line was supposed to be the best in the FCS, it arguably isn't even the best in the BSC, and has NOT improved. The vaunted D of Coach Gregorak is not fooling anyone. All one has to do is look at the yardage and points the Griz are giving up. The D Backs, well, ugly is the only word that comes to mind. If the talent isn't there, that falls on the coaches and recruiting. Tell me the other schools in our league have more to offer so they are getting better kids back there. Sorry, don't think so.

To me, it is coaching. I don't care how nice the guys are, the program is going downhill with the current staff. That said, I want them to win, but for the players, period.

Ummm...last year through 9 games we were 4-5. This year we're 7-2. Last year we got 4 of our 5 wins against Idaho State, Weber State, UNC & Liberty. This year we don't get to count our UND win in the conference standings and we don't get to play ISU or UNC. Those are 3 of the 4 cellar dwellers (the other being Weber). I'd say "going downhill" is not quite true.

last year was last year, and to compare it to this one, is pretty difficult, based on numerous things, the distractions, no qb to speak of, etal.

True...and I made a point in another thread that many times our players are looking across the ball at players that the Griz pursued as well, but didn't get, for one reason or another....it's the nature of the beast.

 

[grizindabox]

no doubt about it. How can there be so many missed tackles 9 games into the season? The O Line was supposed to be the best in the FCS, it arguably isn't even the best in the BSC, and has NOT improved. The vaunted D of Coach Gregorak is not fooling anyone. All one has to do is look at the yardage and points the Griz are giving up. The D Backs, well, ugly is the only word that comes to mind. If the talent isn't there, that falls on the coaches and recruiting. Tell me the other schools in our league have more to offer so they are getting better kids back there. Sorry, don't think so.

To me, it is coaching. I don't care how nice the guys are, the program is going downhill with the current staff. That said, I want them to win, but for the players, period.

Ummm...last year through 9 games we were 4-5. This year we're 7-2. Last year we got 4 of our 5 wins against Idaho State, Weber State, UNC & Liberty. This year we don't get to count our UND win in the conference standings and we don't get to play ISU or UNC. Those are 3 of the 4 cellar dwellers (the other being Weber). I'd say "going downhill" is not quite true.

last year was last year, and to compare it to this one, is pretty difficult, based on numerous things, the distractions, no qb to speak of, etal.

True...and I made a point in another thread that many times our players are looking across the ball at players that the Griz pursued as well, but didn't get, for one reason or another....it's the nature of the beast.

What.....

 

[big kahuna]

We've played four decent teams (I'm including Cal-Poly and SAC St along with NAU and EWU). I'd feel much better if we'd won three of those games instead of two. That said, the Cats throttled NAU but, IMO, haven't exactly shown they are a team to be feared. We will learn more this weekend.

 

[AZGrizFan]

True...and I made a point in another thread that many times our players are looking across the ball at players that the Griz pursued as well, but didn't get, for one reason or another....it's the nature of the beast.

What.....

What what? :|

 

[ilovethecats]

People can finally say the Griz have beat a team with a winning record...Portland St has a 2 game winning streak that has pushed them to 5-4.

By comparison, what does MSU have? NAU and the D-II? I see that Monmouth is 4-5. Just curious, but don't have time to look now.

nothing either. watching cat fans and griz fans trying to muster smack talk in regards to our schedules is just terrible. the combined record of msu opponents is 29-51! we've played 2 teams with winning records and beat them both although one was Colorado mesa. :shock:

griz opponents are 35-46. they have played 3 teams with winning records winning one of them to 5-4 Portland state. :shock:

the simple truth is both of us have played just terrible schedules and should be whining to each other about why we're not both 9-0.

these last 3 games for the cats are very tough and hands down the toughest stretch we've played. i'd like to see us come away at least 2-1 to feel real great about our odds in the playoffs. if we can't beat the ewu's and um's of the world...we're not gonna have a prayer against the ndsu's and eastern Illinois's...

 

[Grizbacker1]

People can finally say the Griz have beat a team with a winning record...Portland St has a 2 game winning streak that has pushed them to 5-4.

By comparison, what does MSU have? NAU and the D-II? I see that Monmouth is 4-5. Just curious, but don't have time to look now.

nothing either. watching cat fans and griz fans trying to muster smack talk in regards to our schedules is just terrible. the combined record of msu opponents is 29-51! we've played 2 teams with winning records and beat them both although one was Colorado mesa. :shock:

griz opponents are 35-46. they have played 3 teams with winning records winning one of them to 5-4 Portland state. :shock:

the simple truth is both of us have played just terrible schedules and should be whining to each other about why we're not both 9-0.

these last 3 games for the cats are very tough and hands down the toughest stretch we've played. i'd like to see us come away at least 2-1 to feel real great about our odds in the playoffs. if we can't beat the ewu's and um's of the world...we're not gonna have a prayer against the ndsu's and eastern Illinois's...

quit making sense, it makes you look bad as a scat fan :thumb:

 

[grizindabox]

People can finally say the Griz have beat a team with a winning record...Portland St has a 2 game winning streak that has pushed them to 5-4.

By comparison, what does MSU have? NAU and the D-II? I see that Monmouth is 4-5. Just curious, but don't have time to look now.

nothing either. watching cat fans and griz fans trying to muster smack talk in regards to our schedules is just terrible. the combined record of msu opponents is 29-51! we've played 2 teams with winning records and beat them both although one was Colorado mesa. :shock:

griz opponents are 35-46. they have played 3 teams with winning records winning one of them to 5-4 Portland state. :shock:

the simple truth is both of us have played just terrible schedules and should be whining to each other about why we're not both 9-0.

these last 3 games for the cats are very tough and hands down the toughest stretch we've played. i'd like to see us come away at least 2-1 to feel real great about our odds in the playoffs. if we can't beat the ewu's and um's of the world...we're not gonna have a prayer against the ndsu's and eastern Illinois's...

quit making sense, it makes you look bad as a scat fan :thumb:

I am still not sure why anyone needed to compare UM and MSU..had nothing to do with the title of the thread, which I believe is "How is this team 7-2?". Seems that has nothing to do with MSU.

 

[PlayerRep]

People can finally say the Griz have beat a team with a winning record...Portland St has a 2 game winning streak that has pushed them to 5-4.

By comparison, what does MSU have? NAU and the D-II? I see that Monmouth is 4-5. Just curious, but don't have time to look now.

nothing either. watching cat fans and griz fans trying to muster smack talk in regards to our schedules is just terrible. the combined record of msu opponents is 29-51! we've played 2 teams with winning records and beat them both although one was Colorado mesa. :shock:

griz opponents are 35-46. they have played 3 teams with winning records winning one of them to 5-4 Portland state. :shock:

the simple truth is both of us have played just terrible schedules and should be whining to each other about why we're not both 9-0.

these last 3 games for the cats are very tough and hands down the toughest stretch we've played. i'd like to see us come away at least 2-1 to feel real great about our odds in the playoffs. if we can't beat the ewu's and um's of the world...we're not gonna have a prayer against the ndsu's and eastern Illinois's...

Thx. I don't think that the combined records of opponents, or wins against teams with winning records, shows very much. Ultimately, on average, opponents will average out to have the same of amount of wins and losses, by definition. The non-conference games will have some impact on this. Whether one has been a D-II with a winning or losing record is not particularly meaningful. It's more important to look at the general quality of opponents and how your team did against them.

 

[ilovethecats]

well I agree I was just using numbers to back up my claims. the quality of our opponents have been terrible. many knew going into the season that both the cats and griz had ridiculously easy schedules. I don't even think nau is very good but i'll save that for another day. I think we have one quality opponent so far and that is ewu. they beat you guys. they might beat us too. then we can argue for the next two weeks on who played ewu tougher and why that means they'll win the brawl. :lol:

 

[stubbins]

well I agree I was just using numbers to back up my claims. the quality of our opponents have been terrible. many knew going into the season that both the cats and griz had ridiculously easy schedules. I don't even think nau is very good but i'll save that for another day. I think we have one quality opponent so far and that is ewu. they beat you guys. they might beat us too. then we can argue for the next two weeks on who played ewu tougher and why that means they'll win the brawl. :lol:

That would be classless... arty:

I've been practicing all year for that week!

 

[NLGrizFan]

well I agree I was just using numbers to back up my claims. the quality of our opponents have been terrible. many knew going into the season that both the cats and griz had ridiculously easy schedules. I don't even think nau is very good but i'll save that for another day. I think we have one quality opponent so far and that is ewu. they beat you guys. they might beat us too. then we can argue for the next two weeks on who played ewu tougher and why that means they'll win the brawl. :lol:

That would be classless... arty:

I've been practicing all year for that week!

:lol: :clap: :lol:

 

[George Ferguson]

ILTC. I just looked back at the Appy thread on BN. I couldn't find one single MSU fan who picked the Griz to win that game, and I couldn't find one single Cat fan who posted that Appy was bad BEFORE, Aug. 31. So I don't think your entire fan base knew the Griz' schedule was as bad as it was back in the summer. The majority of your fan base also picked the Griz to lose to North Dakota AFTER the Appy game too. And the majority of posts in that thread were praising UND's offense. So it doesn't look like all the geniuses over there knew any more than the ones here that the Griz' schedule was that soft back in the summer.

 

[ilovethecats]

ILTC. I just looked back at the Appy thread on BN. I couldn't find one single MSU fan who picked the Griz to win that game, and I couldn't find one single Cat fan who posted that Appy was bad BEFORE, Aug. 31. So I don't think your entire fan base knew the Griz' schedule was as bad as it was back in the summer. The majority of your fan base also picked the Griz to lose to North Dakota AFTER the Appy game too. And the majority of posts in that thread were praising UND's offense. So it doesn't look like all the geniuses over there knew any more than the ones here that the Griz' schedule was that soft back in the summer.

well that goes without saying. I typically don't use bobcat nation or egriz as voices of reason. I no doubt believe that cat fans were saying how bad the griz were and how they'd lose to app. I could also find griz here saying what a powerhouse app would be.

but in the real world, many fans I know and talk to, both cats and griz looked at our schedules and felt they were pretty easy. sure, we didn't know app would be this terrible. and I didn't pay attention to many things people were saying about the griz. but I remember many conversations with my friends and we thought that our schedule was real easy and could in fact hurt us come playoff time.

you will never get any arguments from me in regards to asinine things people say anonymously on message boards. but consider that when I am discussing football on these boards my opinions go way farther than what I read here or on BN. :lol: