How is Stitt like Delaney?

[grizindabox]

I always think..."No way Kem is that big of a knucklehead"....then he continues to post...

 

[BWahlberg]

They both win 60% of their games.

Neither prioritizes special teams.

Comparing 3 seasons of Delaney as an HC to 5 games for Stitt is hardly a fair comparison.

Secondly - neither prioritizing special teams? I'm calling BS on Stitt not prioritizing ST. Delaney I think was in a tough spot - couldn't hire the best coaches, down scholarships for most of his tenure, he made due with what he had. It wasn't great and it didn't get the attention it needed, however Delaney was in a tough spot with that. It's not like an interim HC could just run out and grab some ST guru.

Stitt however has had multiple coaches but mostly Jason Semore working with ST. Compare the difference:

Fieldgoal kicking with the same kicker has made attempts 82% of the time (9-11) where last year it was 65% of the time (13-20). Sullivan is on pace to make almost as many fieldgoals this year as actual attempts we had last year.

Punting: coverage has allowed an average of 0.5 yards per return with a 38.5 yards per punt average. Credit the hang time Lider has put on his punts - he's virtually be unreturnable (so far) because of how long the ball is usually in the air. In 2014 his punt average was slightly further at 39.9 yards per punt average but the net was 34.3 yards. Griz punt coverage last season gave up an average of 12.2 yards per return! ST has already blocked 2 punts and recovered a muffed return as well - all while having no lost turnovers on ST this season. Punt returns average 7.7 yards per return - that is a drop vs last season which was 10.8 yards per return. That has been somewhat by Stitt's design as I think we didn't see an actual punt return until the Liberty game.

Kickoffs: coverage has allowed an average of 21.1 yards per return, that's an improvement over 2014 where they allowed an average of 23 yards per return. As well all know kick coverage has forced one fumble as well. What's more impressive about our kickoff coverage unit was that they didn't have the best showing against NDSU - gave up 155 return yards for nearly 26 yards per return. After that NDSU game they've allowed a combined 267 yards on 14 returns - a 19 yard per return average. Kick returns for the Grizzlies in 2014 weren't good, 17.4 yards per return. That's up to 20.2 yards per return this season.

PAT attempts are down in percentage - 85% made vs 96% made. The Griz missed 2 last season and have missed 2 already this season. Seemingly the main spot of focus.

That all said it would certainly appear that special teams is actually getting much more attention and heading in the right direction. Additionally this is all being done with pretty much the exact same players as last year. Very little has changed in terms of the players used - there's a couple of different guys, but for the most part, same dudes. Additionally we know that most of the first wave of Stitt recruits on defense (maybe all unless you cound Yamen Sanders) are redshirting - so they're not even using "their guys" yet for these duties.

I think some of us see a few missed fieldgoals or a shanked PAT and freak the hell out claiming the coaches don't pay enough attention to special teams. The stats, for the most part, tell a different story.

As for ST, there has been the only been one concern watching several catchable-IMO balls roll a mile. What is the net punt average this year for our opponents vs. last year? I would say last year's team had slightly better people - JJ, JC & TV would have been awesome with Stitt's offense. Overall I am very impressed with Stitt. Take a little bad luck away from the Cal Poly game and we are 4-1.

Good catch, looking at stats it seems the "net" for opponents against us last year was 2 less yards than it is this year. So a slight difference. Of course we had a lot of punts last year do the same this as we've seen this year with Nguyen returning, hit and roll.

 

[CV Griz Fan]

Back to the original question, Stitt is like Delaney in that they both inherited a program suffering from a recent existential crisis that has yet to pass. What we went through will be over us for the foreseeable future. We are not an elite program and some of you can't understand that but at least you're not accepting it.

Check out a more sobering tone over on MaroonBlood from players of 95. There's been a cultural shift here and that is the toughest thing to change, but I think Stitt can do it.

Good post. Stitt's three year record SHOULD be better than Delaney's IMO.

 

[AllWeatherFan]

The coaches are not at all alike. One is going places. The other has been places. One is an offensive innovator. The other is a nice guy. One likes to spread things out and take whatever the defense gives him. The other wants to be Craig Bohl without Craig's players.

 

[Atlanta Griz1]

They both win 60% of their games.

Neither prioritizes special teams.

Or defense.......

 

[Atlanta Griz1]

Back to the original question, Stitt is like Delaney in that they both inherited a program suffering from a recent existential crisis that has yet to pass. What we went through will be over us for the foreseeable future. We are not an elite program and some of you can't understand that but at least you're not accepting it.

Check out a more sobering tone over on MaroonBlood from players of 95. There's been a cultural shift here and that is the toughest thing to change, but I think Stitt can do it.

Stitt can do it??? And how do you know that? I'm hearing that many of his players aren't buying what he is selling.

 

[Atlanta Griz1]

I always think..."No way Kem is that big of a knucklehead"....then he continues to post...

Kem is one of the few smart posters on here. You should try to learn something from him.

 

[BWahlberg]

I always think..."No way Kem is that big of a knucklehead"....then he continues to post...

Kem is one of the few smart posters on here. You should try to learn something from him.

Like how he was almost completely wrong on special teams? Cool

 

[Atlanta Griz1]

They both win 60% of their games.

Neither prioritizes special teams.

Comparing 3 seasons of Delaney as an HC to 5 games for Stitt is hardly a fair comparison.

Secondly - neither prioritizing special teams? I'm calling BS on Stitt not prioritizing ST. Delaney I think was in a tough spot - couldn't hire the best coaches, down scholarships for most of his tenure, he made due with what he had. It wasn't great and it didn't get the attention it needed, however Delaney was in a tough spot with that. It's not like an interim HC could just run out and grab some ST guru.

Stitt however has had multiple coaches but mostly Jason Semore working with ST. Compare the difference:

Fieldgoal kicking with the same kicker has made attempts 82% of the time (9-11) where last year it was 65% of the time (13-20). Sullivan is on pace to make almost as many fieldgoals this year as actual attempts we had last year.

Punting: coverage has allowed an average of 0.5 yards per return with a 38.5 yards per punt average. Credit the hang time Lider has put on his punts - he's virtually be unreturnable (so far) because of how long the ball is usually in the air. In 2014 his punt average was slightly further at 39.9 yards per punt average but the net was 34.3 yards. Griz punt coverage last season gave up an average of 12.2 yards per return! ST has already blocked 2 punts and recovered a muffed return as well - all while having no lost turnovers on ST this season. Punt returns average 7.7 yards per return - that is a drop vs last season which was 10.8 yards per return. That has been somewhat by Stitt's design as I think we didn't see an actual punt return until the Liberty game.

Kickoffs: coverage has allowed an average of 21.1 yards per return, that's an improvement over 2014 where they allowed an average of 23 yards per return. As well all know kick coverage has forced one fumble as well. What's more impressive about our kickoff coverage unit was that they didn't have the best showing against NDSU - gave up 155 return yards for nearly 26 yards per return. After that NDSU game they've allowed a combined 267 yards on 14 returns - a 19 yard per return average. Kick returns for the Grizzlies in 2014 weren't good, 17.4 yards per return. That's up to 20.2 yards per return this season.

PAT attempts are down in percentage - 85% made vs 96% made. The Griz missed 2 last season and have missed 2 already this season. Seemingly the main spot of focus.

That all said it would certainly appear that special teams is actually getting much more attention and heading in the right direction. Additionally this is all being done with pretty much the exact same players as last year. Very little has changed in terms of the players used - there's a couple of different guys, but for the most part, same dudes. Additionally we know that most of the first wave of Stitt recruits on defense (maybe all unless you cound Yamen Sanders) are redshirting - so they're not even using "their guys" yet for these duties.

I think some of us see a few missed fieldgoals or a shanked PAT and freak the hell out claiming the coaches don't pay enough attention to special teams. The stats, for the most part, tell a different story.

your posts are difficult to read without hurling. You never deal in reality, only in your world through maroon-colored glasses. If you would get your nose out of the derrieres of the coaches and Grizzly Scholarship Fund, you MIGHT be more believable.

 

[Atlanta Griz1]

I always think..."No way Kem is that big of a knucklehead"....then he continues to post...

Kem is one of the few smart posters on here. You should try to learn something from him.

Like how he was almost completely wrong on special teams? Cool

you're wrong on nearly everything, so you have good company.

 

[BWahlberg]

They both win 60% of their games.

Neither prioritizes special teams.

Comparing 3 seasons of Delaney as an HC to 5 games for Stitt is hardly a fair comparison.

Secondly - neither prioritizing special teams? I'm calling BS on Stitt not prioritizing ST. Delaney I think was in a tough spot - couldn't hire the best coaches, down scholarships for most of his tenure, he made due with what he had. It wasn't great and it didn't get the attention it needed, however Delaney was in a tough spot with that. It's not like an interim HC could just run out and grab some ST guru.

Stitt however has had multiple coaches but mostly Jason Semore working with ST. Compare the difference:

Fieldgoal kicking with the same kicker has made attempts 82% of the time (9-11) where last year it was 65% of the time (13-20). Sullivan is on pace to make almost as many fieldgoals this year as actual attempts we had last year.

Punting: coverage has allowed an average of 0.5 yards per return with a 38.5 yards per punt average. Credit the hang time Lider has put on his punts - he's virtually be unreturnable (so far) because of how long the ball is usually in the air. In 2014 his punt average was slightly further at 39.9 yards per punt average but the net was 34.3 yards. Griz punt coverage last season gave up an average of 12.2 yards per return! ST has already blocked 2 punts and recovered a muffed return as well - all while having no lost turnovers on ST this season. Punt returns average 7.7 yards per return - that is a drop vs last season which was 10.8 yards per return. That has been somewhat by Stitt's design as I think we didn't see an actual punt return until the Liberty game.

Kickoffs: coverage has allowed an average of 21.1 yards per return, that's an improvement over 2014 where they allowed an average of 23 yards per return. As well all know kick coverage has forced one fumble as well. What's more impressive about our kickoff coverage unit was that they didn't have the best showing against NDSU - gave up 155 return yards for nearly 26 yards per return. After that NDSU game they've allowed a combined 267 yards on 14 returns - a 19 yard per return average. Kick returns for the Grizzlies in 2014 weren't good, 17.4 yards per return. That's up to 20.2 yards per return this season.

PAT attempts are down in percentage - 85% made vs 96% made. The Griz missed 2 last season and have missed 2 already this season. Seemingly the main spot of focus.

That all said it would certainly appear that special teams is actually getting much more attention and heading in the right direction. Additionally this is all being done with pretty much the exact same players as last year. Very little has changed in terms of the players used - there's a couple of different guys, but for the most part, same dudes. Additionally we know that most of the first wave of Stitt recruits on defense (maybe all unless you cound Yamen Sanders) are redshirting - so they're not even using "their guys" yet for these duties.

I think some of us see a few missed fieldgoals or a shanked PAT and freak the hell out claiming the coaches don't pay enough attention to special teams. The stats, for the most part, tell a different story.

your posts are difficult to read without hurling. You never deal in reality, only in your world through maroon-colored glasses. If you would get your nose out of the derrieres of the coaches and Grizzly Scholarship Fund, you MIGHT be more believable.

Haha. That's rich. I used stats... You know... Reality.

And I'm pretty proud of the fundraising I've done for athletics, glad I could help advance so much for them. Not sure how that's meant to be smack?

 

[Atlanta Griz1]

They both win 60% of their games.

Neither prioritizes special teams.

Comparing 3 seasons of Delaney as an HC to 5 games for Stitt is hardly a fair comparison.

Secondly - neither prioritizing special teams? I'm calling BS on Stitt not prioritizing ST. Delaney I think was in a tough spot - couldn't hire the best coaches, down scholarships for most of his tenure, he made due with what he had. It wasn't great and it didn't get the attention it needed, however Delaney was in a tough spot with that. It's not like an interim HC could just run out and grab some ST guru.

Stitt however has had multiple coaches but mostly Jason Semore working with ST. Compare the difference:

Fieldgoal kicking with the same kicker has made attempts 82% of the time (9-11) where last year it was 65% of the time (13-20). Sullivan is on pace to make almost as many fieldgoals this year as actual attempts we had last year.

Punting: coverage has allowed an average of 0.5 yards per return with a 38.5 yards per punt average. Credit the hang time Lider has put on his punts - he's virtually be unreturnable (so far) because of how long the ball is usually in the air. In 2014 his punt average was slightly further at 39.9 yards per punt average but the net was 34.3 yards. Griz punt coverage last season gave up an average of 12.2 yards per return! ST has already blocked 2 punts and recovered a muffed return as well - all while having no lost turnovers on ST this season. Punt returns average 7.7 yards per return - that is a drop vs last season which was 10.8 yards per return. That has been somewhat by Stitt's design as I think we didn't see an actual punt return until the Liberty game.

Kickoffs: coverage has allowed an average of 21.1 yards per return, that's an improvement over 2014 where they allowed an average of 23 yards per return. As well all know kick coverage has forced one fumble as well. What's more impressive about our kickoff coverage unit was that they didn't have the best showing against NDSU - gave up 155 return yards for nearly 26 yards per return. After that NDSU game they've allowed a combined 267 yards on 14 returns - a 19 yard per return average. Kick returns for the Grizzlies in 2014 weren't good, 17.4 yards per return. That's up to 20.2 yards per return this season.

PAT attempts are down in percentage - 85% made vs 96% made. The Griz missed 2 last season and have missed 2 already this season. Seemingly the main spot of focus.

That all said it would certainly appear that special teams is actually getting much more attention and heading in the right direction. Additionally this is all being done with pretty much the exact same players as last year. Very little has changed in terms of the players used - there's a couple of different guys, but for the most part, same dudes. Additionally we know that most of the first wave of Stitt recruits on defense (maybe all unless you cound Yamen Sanders) are redshirting - so they're not even using "their guys" yet for these duties.

I think some of us see a few missed fieldgoals or a shanked PAT and freak the hell out claiming the coaches don't pay enough attention to special teams. The stats, for the most part, tell a different story.

your posts are difficult to read without hurling. You never deal in reality, only in your world through maroon-colored glasses. If you would get your nose out of the derrieres of the coaches and Grizzly Scholarship Fund, you MIGHT be more believable.

Haha. That's rich. I used stats... You know... Reality.

And I'm pretty proud of the fundraising I've done for athletics, glad I could help advance so much for them. Not sure how that's meant to be smack?

Yeah, you and Playa Rape are great at "educating us" with carefully constructed stats! :laugh:

why don't you give us some stats about how Ben Roberts shouldn't be starting cause he's not good enough, or how our center snaps would not be a problem this season cause the coaches "corrected them" in practice! :thumb:

 

[BWahlberg]

Pulled straight from the stat book, hard to twist real numbers. But please, keep on squirming even though you've been proven wrong. We all know you can't ever admit to being wrong, even when empirical evidence is presented to you

 

[CV Griz Fan]

I always think..."No way Kem is that big of a knucklehead"....then he continues to post...

Kem is one of the few smart posters on here. You should try to learn something from him.

Sorry. Kem is a pretty good poster IMO. I know he doesn't need my support but he is more objective than most. He also pegged the problems with JN fairly early. Stitt seems to have adjusted his rotation at RB too. He deserves some credit for his good posts....

 

[BWahlberg]

I always think..."No way Kem is that big of a knucklehead"....then he continues to post...

Kem is one of the few smart posters on here. You should try to learn something from him.

Sorry. Kem is a pretty good poster IMO. I know he doesn't need my support but he is more objective than most. He also pegged the problems with JN fairly early. Stitt seems to have adjusted his rotation at RB too. He deserves some credit for his good posts....

Normally I agree but his statements on lack of emphasis on special teams is wrong.

 

[putter]

I always think..."No way Kem is that big of a knucklehead"....then he continues to post...

Kem is one of the few smart posters on here. You should try to learn something from him.

Sorry. Kem is a pretty good poster IMO. I know he doesn't need my support but he is more objective than most. He also pegged the problems with JN fairly early. Stitt seems to have adjusted his rotation at RB too. He deserves some credit for his good posts....

Normally I agree but his statements on lack of emphasis on special teams is wrong.

IMO, some of this is coming from Stitt saying he doesn't care if the ball is even returned. Just fair catch and get the offense out there...this my appear to some as not taking special teams as seriously as one could. :twocents:

 

[BWahlberg]

Normally I agree but his statements on lack of emphasis on special teams is wrong.

IMO, some of this is coming from Stitt saying he doesn't care if the ball is even returned. Just fair catch and get the offense out there...this my appear to some as not taking special teams as seriously as one could. :twocents:

Solid point! We've mostly seen returns since Liberty but you're right, it does create a perception!

 

[Umista]

Old ladies sewing bee? How far from the circle are some of you. Stitt runs close to 100 plays per game...lots and lots of action. Not 54 plays of the Delaney teams run up the gut 3 times and punt style! Brand new style, not the old 1960's boring stodgy sleepy without imagination crap!

Stitt does not have a big tough runner available at the moment so who the hell is he going to put in to run the ball? Frosh Calhoun seems to be the guy but he is not big but we will see much improvement just watching the true freshman run with the ball. If some see the same boring team as last years those folks are drinking waaaay to much to make sense of the new, style, coach, action and good football. Think of msu right now, Ash has had forever to make a great team and at best he still has half a team!

How is Stitt like Delaney?

Must be a Joke? Eh?

 

[mtgrizrule]

As to the subject posted. Stitt has a little of Pflu (creative offense), Hauck (injuries and strategy are close to the vest), Glenn (very personable and can talk football forever), and Delaney (keeps players in check on and off the field, and keeps much behind closed doors).

As to the subject this turned into (ATL1 derailing yet another thread). How ironic is it that ATL is all over the likes of BW and PR for their relationships with the program? Yet, how many times does this yahoo (insert whatever word or words you feel fit better) brag about supposedly hanging out with, socializing with, running in the same crowd with? If true, how is that any different from BW, PR, etc? At least what they say regarding their relationships and standing with the program is true 100% and not fabricated. Granted, PR and I have had a few disagreements and run ins here, I actually respect him as a person. BW, other than some political point of view differences, I respect him 100% as well.

Why turn so many damn threads into this kind of crap? Why attack people when they don't agree with you? Why even mention GRIZ players you hang with? Who in the hell cares, after hearing the same crap after 100's to 1000's of times? People either believe you, or they don't!!!! There is nothing anyone can say or do to convince anyone other wise. Well, unless you can actually prove who these players are somehow. Being that likely will not happen, and it's none of our business, leave the damn players and former athletes out of it when comes to these pissing contests!!! Honestly to God, I doubt if any egrizzer cares about who anyone hangs with!!!

Over /Under for how long it will take ATL's next ban? Who is all in favor of a permanent ban?

 

[NativeGriz]

As to the subject posted. Stitt has a little of Pflu (creative offense), Hauck (injuries and strategy are close to the vest), Glenn (very personable and can talk football forever), and Delaney (keeps players in check on and off the field, and keeps much behind closed doors).

As to the subject this turned into (ATL1 derailing yet another thread). How ironic is it that ATL is all over the likes of BW and PR for their relationships with the program? Yet, how many times does this yahoo (insert whatever word or words you feel fit better) brag about supposedly hanging out with, socializing with, running in the same crowd with? If true, how is that any different from BW, PR, etc? At least what they say regarding their relationships and standing with the program is true 100% and not fabricated. Granted, PR and I have had a few disagreements and run ins here, I actually respect him as a person. BW, other than some political point of view differences, I respect him 100% as well.

Why turn so many damn threads into this kind of crap? Why attack people when they don't agree with you? Why even mention GRIZ players you hang with? Who in the hell cares, after hearing the same crap after 100's to 1000's of times? People either believe you, or they don't!!!! There is nothing anyone can say or do to convince anyone other wise. Well, unless you can actually prove who these players are somehow. Being that likely will not happen, and it's none of our business, leave the damn players and former athletes out of it when comes to these pissing contests!!! Honestly to God, I doubt if any egrizzer cares about who anyone hangs with!!!

Over /Under for how long it will take ATL's next ban? Who is all in favor of a permanent ban?

Basically I just try to ignore him. Alpha would make ridiculous comments because he was looking for a reaction. For ATL, the guy is clueless, so take his comments with a grain of salt. Besides that I really feel the rest of this conversation has been excellent. I really like the perspectives from different people. Good stuff.