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Honest Question: Why is Butte...

Gaeilge1 said:
It was actually 39+ years ago that I took K. Ross Toole's course. Knew the family from their time in Helena when I was in grade and junior high. May not have been a better all around class taught at the U in those days other than Ulysses Doss' classes on a search for identity. I still have the K. Ross Toole books on Montana History on my bookshelf today. Aside from his knowledge of Montana history, K. Ross was as qualified expert on the history of the Western US as anyone I have ever met.

Also met Mike Mansfield on several occasions through my Father. Dad was a student of Mike's and the one who talked Dad in to going to Law School.

Both men were as genuine and nice in person as they were in their public personna's.

As for the Butte connection to Missoula, I'm not so sure that it is as one sided as might be suggested. One could certainly argue that there is a lot of Montana in Butte and a little bit of Butte in all Montanan's.

I took K. Ross's class in either 1972 or 1973. I remember him talking of the Copper Kings Daly and Clark having people buy votes on the street corners of Butte for a dollar or two. I could be wrong on this, but I think he referred to an election that garnered more votes than people in Butte.
 
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I agree with putter. Growing up in Butte in the 80's I think that it was more a Bobcat town but not really sure. I was not really a Griz or Bobcat as my family did not have a tie to either one. My Dad was a Carroll alum. At a young age I preferred the Griz though and then when guys that I played against in high school (a little older than I and I was a Central grad) like Leprowse, Lembke, Allen, Erickson,were playing for the Griz and I ended up transferring from Gonzaga to U of M, I was hooked and have never looked back. I think a lot of it has to do with that the Griz back in the late 80's and 90's were just tough no nonsense, get er done type of football teams that us Butte people could relate to. No one thought that the Griz had a chance at winning a national title in 1995 but they did it. That is what Butte America is all about!!!
 
Let's not forget Jigs Dahlberg. Yes that Dahlberg. Was from butte before going to UM where the arena is named after him. Also, Butte high has a pretty fierce rivalry with Bozeman High. Not sure if that equates to becoming Griz fans because of course Butte's coach is a former Cat. But as Everett said...
 
putter said:
When I was about 5 or 6 Butte was a large Bobcat town but then they had the wisdom of hiring Earle Solmonson who pretty much ignored the state of Montana. Guys I graduated with, Todd Ericson, Chad Lembke, Lance Allen and guys ahead of me -- Kyle Mirich and Paul LeProwse played for the Griz. Easy to be a Griz fan when your classmates are putting on Griz unis

I had forgotten that Kyle played for the Griz. Good call, putter!

And, Proud Griz Man, I should probably lose both my Butte and MSU cards for not mentioning Sonny Holland. Like I said, beer soaked brain. Doh!
 
For a great read on 1920's Butte, pick up a copy of Ivan Doig's "Work Song." Montana-native Doig is truly a great storyteller. Even the wife, who thinks I gloat too much about MT agrees that he's a solid chronicler of the state. Am now into "Sweet Thunder," the followup to WS with a great storyline - a new startup newspaper doing battle with the ACM crowd. Highly recommended for all Butteophiles...
 
While I enjoy reading e-Griz, this is my first post.

The comments in this article have been remarkable. I am a Butte native and always enjoy reading about Butte and Montana history.

Just a couple of observations! In the early 60's through the mid-70's Butte was a stronghold of Bobcat faithful. Keep in mind the coaches that started the Butte winning tradition at MSC; Sweeney, Kambich, Jankovich, Holland, Lubick, Delaney, Pancho, and others that escape my memory. Players that come to mind include names such as Becky, Carpenio, Janhunen, Hodge, McElroy, Dennehey, Markovich, Burns, Bolton, the Uelands, and many others that I have forgotten. Then along came a Bobcat A.D. who felt there was too much of a "Butte" influence in Bobcat football, so he terminated Lubick and his staff. History tells us what followed. Butte quickly switched their allegiance to the Griz and the Cats have never recovered.

Another Butte name that is synonymous with Griz athletic history is Harley Lewis.

Go Griz!
 
buckingthesun said:
While I enjoy reading e-Griz, this is my first post.

The comments in this article have been remarkable. I am a Butte native and always enjoy reading about Butte and Montana history.

Just a couple of observations! In the early 60's through the mid-70's Butte was a stronghold of Bobcat faithful. Keep in mind the coaches that started the Butte winning tradition at MSC; Sweeney, Kambich, Jankovich, Holland, Lubick, Delaney, Pancho, and others that escape my memory. Players that come to mind include names such as Becky, Carpenio, Janhunen, Hodge, McElroy, Dennehey, Markovich, Burns, Bolton, the Uelands, and many others that I have forgotten. Then along came a Bobcat A.D. who felt there was too much of a "Butte" influence in Bobcat football, so he terminated Lubick and his staff. History tells us what followed. Butte quickly switched their allegiance to the Griz and the Cats have never recovered.

Another Butte name that is synonymous with Griz athletic history is Harley Lewis.

Go Griz!

Tom Kiely, Mark Devore, Len Kelly, Jim Anderson, to name a few more.
 
It might have been mentioned already I wonder how much politics have to do with...The two "bluest" areas in all of Montana (albeit for different reasons)
 
Grizzlies1982 said:
mcg said:
37 years ago I took a history class at UM called "Montana and the West". It was taught be K. Ross Toole. I still remember the lecture where he explained that the folks in Missoula were given the choice of having the University or the prison. They choose the University. He then wryly looked over his glasses at the students in the lecture hall and commented that given the level of legislative funding for the University, perhaps the prison would have been a better choice.

I guess the more things change the more they stay the same.

I was in Prof Toole's class too. I don't doubt he made a comment like you describe, it sounds just like him. However, it actually was the reverse as to whom got to pick.

Deer Lodge was given the choice between the prison or the University. They chose the state prison believing housing prisoners would always be much more lucrative than being the home to a few kids going to college.
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billingsgriz said:
Another strong connection between Butte and UM is the late, great Montana Senator and US Ambassador to Japan, and UM student, graduate, and professor, Mike Mansfield.

After being discharged from The Marines in 1922, Mansfield worked as a mucker--shoveling mine waste and other garbage--in the mines at Butte. Although a native of New York City and growing up as a kid in Great Falls, most historians believe Mansfield's years in Butte as well as his experience sailing around Asia as a Marine in the early 20's had a huge influence on the future senator.

He frequently complained to his wife Maureen about the corrupt politics of the day, such as the corruption of The Harding Administration--Teapot Dome--and the fact that Montana was controlled and dominated by The Anaconda Company.

Maureen Mansfield challenged her husband, a high-school dropout, to pursue his education and he did so first at The Montana School of Mines, now Montana Tech, and then at UM, graduating the year FDR became president, 1933.

After earning his master's degree at Tuft's University in 1934 in international relations, from 1934-1942, he was a professor of Asian history and other related topics at UM. I had an old client, now deceased, that had Mansfield as a professor at UM and said that he was a great, enthusiastic yet somewhat quiet, very learned professor who wasn't much older than him.

As US Senate Majority Leader from 1961-1977, Mike would preside and help guide the legislation that would create Medicare and Medicaid in 1965 and other Great Society programs such as Head Start , pass the historic Civil Rights Act of 1964 and Voting Rights Act of 1965, warned JFK and LBJ not to expand US military involvement in South Vietnam starting in 1962--Mike was very depressed after being an initial supporter of South Vietnam after he toured the country at he request of JFK in 1962 and learned of the vast corruption within the government and the inability or refusal of most South Vietnamese Army units to effectively fight the NVA and Viet Cong. He went on this tour at the request of JFK, due to Mike's expertise on Asia.

Mike would help Richard Nixon wind down US involvement in Vietnam from 1969-72, create The EPA, and open a diplomatic relationship with communist, mainland China in 1972. He also appointed the Senate Watergate Committee to investigate Nixon's involvement in the Watergate break in of Democratic Party HQ in 1972 that led to Nixon's resignation and subsequently helped Gerald Ford as he took over the presidency in the late summer of 1974.

Upon the election of Jimmy Carter in 1976, Mike would retire from the senate and serve from 1977-1988 as US ambassador to Japan under first Carter and then Reagan, becoming the longest serving US Ambassador to Japan. The Mansfield Center dedicated to the study of US-Asian relations continues to flourish at UM and bring many Asian exchange students to campus. And when UM wanted to name the library in his honor, he insisted his wife Maureen's name be included as he would have not completed his high school equivalency and studied and graduated from UM and Tuft's without his schoolteacher wife challenging and encouraging his pursuit of higher education.

Although Mike and Maureen Mansfield are buried in Arlington National Cemetery, and their grave is far away from his friend John F. Kennedy's eternal flame and simply says "Michael J. Mansfield, Pvt., US Marine Corps, " I think his years working as a miner in Butte had a very big impact on him, as he could relate to Butte miners and Anaconda smelter workers since he himself had been one of them and much of the legislation he successfully passed in both the House and Senate reflected that Butte experience.

Today, The Mansfield Room in The US Capitol honors his and service as does the Mike and Maureen Mansfield Library and Center at his alma mater, The University of Montana.

The antithesis of our newly elected corporate tool Steve Daines.
 
billingsgriz said:
Another strong connection between Butte and UM is the late, great Montana Senator and US Ambassador to Japan, and UM student, graduate, and professor, Mike Mansfield.

After being discharged from The Marines in 1922, Mansfield worked as a mucker--shoveling mine waste and other garbage--in the mines at Butte. Although a native of New York City and growing up as a kid in Great Falls, most historians believe Mansfield's years in Butte as well as his experience sailing around Asia as a Marine in the early 20's had a huge influence on the future senator.

He frequently complained to his wife Maureen about the corrupt politics of the day, such as the corruption of The Harding Administration--Teapot Dome--and the fact that Montana was controlled and dominated by The Anaconda Company.

Maureen Mansfield challenged her husband, a high-school dropout, to pursue his education and he did so first at The Montana School of Mines, now Montana Tech, and then at UM, graduating the year FDR became president, 1933.

After earning his master's degree at Tuft's University in 1934 in international relations, from 1934-1942, he was a professor of Asian history and other related topics at UM. I had an old client, now deceased, that had Mansfield as a professor at UM and said that he was a great, enthusiastic yet somewhat quiet, very learned professor who wasn't much older than him.

As US Senate Majority Leader from 1961-1977, Mike would preside and help guide the legislation that would create Medicare and Medicaid in 1965 and other Great Society programs such as Head Start , pass the historic Civil Rights Act of 1964 and Voting Rights Act of 1965, warned JFK and LBJ not to expand US military involvement in South Vietnam starting in 1962--Mike was very depressed after being an initial supporter of South Vietnam after he toured the country at he request of JFK in 1962 and learned of the vast corruption within the government and the inability or refusal of most South Vietnamese Army units to effectively fight the NVA and Viet Cong. He went on this tour at the request of JFK, due to Mike's expertise on Asia.

Mike would help Richard Nixon wind down US involvement in Vietnam from 1969-72, create The EPA, and open a diplomatic relationship with communist, mainland China in 1972. He also appointed the Senate Watergate Committee to investigate Nixon's involvement in the Watergate break in of Democratic Party HQ in 1972 that led to Nixon's resignation and subsequently helped Gerald Ford as he took over the presidency in the late summer of 1974.

Upon the election of Jimmy Carter in 1976, Mike would retire from the senate and serve from 1977-1988 as US ambassador to Japan under first Carter and then Reagan, becoming the longest serving US Ambassador to Japan. The Mansfield Center dedicated to the study of US-Asian relations continues to flourish at UM and bring many Asian exchange students to campus. And when UM wanted to name the library in his honor, he insisted his wife Maureen's name be included as he would have not completed his high school equivalency and studied and graduated from UM and Tuft's without his schoolteacher wife challenging and encouraging his pursuit of higher education.

Although Mike and Maureen Mansfield are buried in Arlington National Cemetery, and their grave is far away from his friend John F. Kennedy's eternal flame and simply says "Michael J. Mansfield, Pvt., US Marine Corps, " I think his years working as a miner in Butte had a very big impact on him, as he could relate to Butte miners and Anaconda smelter workers since he himself had been one of them and much of the legislation he successfully passed in both the House and Senate reflected that Butte experience.

Today, The Mansfield Room in The US Capitol honors his and service as does the Mike and Maureen Mansfield Library and Center at his alma mater, The University of Montana.

A great [Butte] Montanan! Thanks for the post!
 
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