Hiring Worries

[griz4life]

Ummm, I would consider Wayne Tinkle's replacement A BIG ONE. And Grizzly men's basketball is NOT a minor sport.

Sure the games never sell out and some years it doesn't even pay it's own bills or keep the athletic department budget in the black, but it is DI basketball and it does on occasion get to the big dance for a one and done.

 

[griz4life]

I'm not sure what the "wow factor" people are looking for means. Outside of Dave Dickinson. And what I believe Outlaw was referring to was PSU's hiring of Glanville. I suppose that was a "wow factor" and it didn't work out very well. Neither did UM's "wow factor" hiring in basketball when they tried Pat Kennedy.

Here's the GREAT IRONY in this decision from the majority of UM fans posting on this board. Over, and over, and over, the clamoring is for UM to stop "the good ole' boy" hiring, and or NOT hire within. And at the same time, many of those clamoring for that ALSO wish Pflu wouldn't have been fired. "FTR, I too wish Pflu would have not been wrongfully fired). The IRONY in that however is, Pflu was a HUGGGGGGGGGGGGGGEEEEEEEEE part of the UM "good ole boy network". Pflu had major, major ties to UM that go WAY WAY BACK. Pflu was also HIRED FROM WITHIN THE STAFF when Bobby left. Same thing with Joe Joe. In all honesty, how many of you would welcome Joe Glenn back? He was aprt of the "good ole boy network" BEFORE he became Montana's head coach. His previous ties to UM made the Griz his dream job, and he spoke publicly about that even while he turned Northern Colorado into a DII powerhouse.

It just seems to me that many of you want to bitch about how current coaches are NOT like our coaches of the past, but at the same time, those coaches many of you/us revere so much, were as much a part of the UM "good ole boy network", if NOT more than Mick was, or anybody else that's currently on UM's staff.

By 'Joe Joe' you mean the coach who was fired as an assistant, moved on won a couple national championships as a head coach elsewhere basically made a name for himself and returned? I would go for that kind of good old boy hire. Heck, that might be Gregorak in 2028.

 

[Grizzlies1982]

I'm not sure what the "wow factor" people are looking for means. Outside of Dave Dickinson. And what I believe Outlaw was referring to was PSU's hiring of Glanville. I suppose that was a "wow factor" and it didn't work out very well. Neither did UM's "wow factor" hiring in basketball when they tried Pat Kennedy.

Here's the GREAT IRONY in this decision from the majority of UM fans posting on this board. Over, and over, and over, the clamoring is for UM to stop "the good ole' boy" hiring, and or NOT hire within. And at the same time, many of those clamoring for that ALSO wish Pflu wouldn't have been fired. "FTR, I too wish Pflu would have not been wrongfully fired). The IRONY in that however is, Pflu was a HUGGGGGGGGGGGGGGEEEEEEEEE part of the UM "good ole boy network". Pflu had major, major ties to UM that go WAY WAY BACK. Pflu was also HIRED FROM WITHIN THE STAFF when Bobby left. Same thing with Joe Joe. In all honesty, how many of you would welcome Joe Glenn back? He was aprt of the "good ole boy network" BEFORE he became Montana's head coach. His previous ties to UM made the Griz his dream job, and he spoke publicly about that even while he turned Northern Colorado into a DII powerhouse.

It just seems to me that many of you want to bitch about how current coaches are NOT like our coaches of the past, but at the same time, those coaches many of you/us revere so much, were as much a part of the UM "good ole boy network", if NOT more than Mick was, or anybody else that's currently on UM's staff.

Havre, I don't care if the new coach comes from the outside or in house. I just hope they choose well.

However I for one would not welcome Joe Glenn back. His national championships at No. Colorado and one here in Montana guaranteed he would move on up the pay scale ladder. Yet he burned his bridges when he skipped out of Missoula without hardly stopping to tell anyone goodbye. Then after landing in Laramie he made dismissive comments about being grateful to be out of Missoula. While I know he can coach his utter failures at Wyoming and now South Dakota appear to be a little bit of karma biting him in the rear.

 

[NorthEndZoneDan]

However I for one would not welcome Joe Glenn back. His national championships at No. Colorado and one here in Montana guaranteed he would move on up the pay scale ladder. Yet he burned his bridges when he skipped out of Missoula without hardly stopping to tell anyone goodbye. Then after landing in Laramie he made dismissive comments about being grateful to be out of Missoula. While I know he can coach his utter failures at Wyoming and now South Dakota appear to be a little bit of karma biting him in the rear.

karma can be a bitch cant she! Its not that Glen left for more money, its the way he left that irritated me. I agree with you, I wouldnt welcome him back to Griz Nation either.

 

[AZGrizFan]

Haha Everett, so true. I just never do things the easy way I guess.

Typical writer. Takes 20 column-inches to say what could have been said in two. :twisted: :twisted:

 

[AZGrizFan]

So
For me I am wanting to see a WOW hire or a hire we as fans see as a big deal.
Go Griz

Like the Washington State Cougars hiring Mike Leach? That has really worked out good for them!

Yeah, you're probably right. We should hire someone nobody is excited about because Leach hasn't turned WSU into a powerhouse but still has greatly improved the program over the previous guy, who won like 3 games in 4 years or something.

I really feel for that program....we think WE have had some close games... :shock: He's lost to Rutgers, 41-38, #2 Oregon 38-31 and Cal 60-59.

 

[G&B]

If the higher ups get this wrong it will kill this program.

 

[BWahlberg]

So far Haslam has made two great hires and for a hire are big as football I assume there'll be a committee in place and a heavy amount of vetting and due process. There's currently no prior evidence that would suggest he'll make some half-assed / poorly decided upon hire. That's good.

Secondly I keep reading hearing about "well if Royce has his way..." are you kidding me? Look, I know the guy is not on a lot of people's favorite list when it comes to athletics but consider the support he's put behind the academic center and the weight/locker rooms. He's at just about every basketball and football game he's publicly stated the importance of athletic success to Montana, and he's put more confidence and support into letting the AD operate without as much oversight.

For the hire, I'm not worried at all.

1. Montana often gets bombarded with applicants because it's a very visible program that brings in some of the best coaches that want to continue to see the Griz succeed.

2. Montana has the best stadium in the FCS and one of the more passionate fan-bases.

3. Montana has broken ground on a new academic center for students and athletes.

4. Montana has announced a new weight and locker room that could be as much of a game changer for the program as the 1986 construction of Washington Grizzly Stadium was.

5. There's a long-term plan in place for even more growth and development.

6. It would seem Montana is/has moved beyond it's public relations issues and rapidly making that a thing of the past.

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Montana is where a lot of good coaches want to be. We're not UNC or UND where the fans don't care so much, the facilities are so-so, and athletic success isn't a priority. The effort that goes into a new hire each time has been excellent. When looking at the on-field product of the team, going back you've got Reed, Dennehey, Glenn, Hauck, Pflugrad, and Delaney - only one was a quicker hire out of duress, the rest were carefully planned out and for the most part worked out pretty darn good.

I'm excited for the future of the Griz, I always am.

 

[BadlandsGrizFan]

I just really wanna see a young up and comer...someone with fire and passion and realizes really how good he has it at the UofM....I expect any coach like this to be here maybe 6-8 years but who cares, if you want a young star..thats what you get at the FCS level...if you want someone that's going to be here 10 years than retire...youre gonna get someone that's on the downward slide!

 

[BadlandsGrizFan]

So far Haslam has made two great hires and for a hire are big as football I assume there'll be a committee in place and a heavy amount of vetting and due process. There's currently no prior evidence that would suggest he'll make some half-assed / poorly decided upon hire. That's good.

Secondly I keep reading hearing about "well if Royce has his way..." are you kidding me? Look, I know the guy is not on a lot of people's favorite list when it comes to athletics but consider the support he's put behind the academic center and the weight/locker rooms. He's at just about every basketball and football game he's publicly stated the importance of athletic success to Montana, and he's put more confidence and support into letting the AD operate without as much oversight.

For the hire, I'm not worried at all.

1. Montana often gets bombarded with applicants because it's a very visible program that brings in some of the best coaches that want to continue to see the Griz succeed.

2. Montana has the best stadium in the FCS and one of the more passionate fan-bases.

3. Montana has broken ground on a new academic center for students and athletes.

4. Montana has announced a new weight and locker room that could be as much of a game changer for the program as the 1986 construction of Washington Grizzly Stadium was.

5. There's a long-term plan in place for even more growth and development.

6. It would seem Montana is/has moved beyond it's public relations issues and rapidly making that a thing of the past.

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Montana is where a lot of good coaches want to be. We're not UNC or UND where the fans don't care so much, the facilities are so-so, and athletic success isn't a priority. The effort that goes into a new hire each time has been excellent. When looking at the on-field product of the team, going back you've got Reed, Dennehey, Glenn, Hauck, Pflugrad, and Delaney - only one was a quicker hire out of duress, the rest were carefully planned out and for the most part worked out pretty darn good.

I'm excited for the future of the Griz, I always am.

Ya exactly and even for a quick hire in an "oh shit" moment, Delaney was about as good as you could ask for given the circumstances...we don't really have reason to believe they wont make another good hire.....we just all want them to knock it out of the park and make the WOW hire....including myself haha

 

[grizfnz]

How about former WSU qb Jason Gesser?? Currently qb coach at Wyoming. Came from the same high school that produced Ah Yat, Timmy Chang, Cam Higgins, Jeremiah Masoli and Marcus Mariota. Re-establish the Hawaiian pipeline and air it out baby!!

 

[grizindabox]

How about former WSU qb Jason Gesser?? Currently qb coach at Wyoming. Came from the same high school that produced Ah Yat, Timmy Chang, Cam Higgins, Jeremiah Masoli and Marcus Mariota. Re-establish the Hawaiian pipeline and air it out baby!!

I don't believe he is...I think he is working at WSU and in broadcasting.

 

[grizfnz]

Looks like the wiki bio needs updating

 

[monte is a character]

You guys are hilarious. God forbid that any of you have a role in who we hire. Just a reality check on a couple of ridiculous comments made by multiple posters in this thread:

First, the stupid notion that the best head coaches will be the former star players for the Griz. Guys like Dave Dickinson, Timmy Hauck, Lurch. There is about as much correlation between being a star college football player and a great head coach as there is in being a community organizer and the president of the United States.

Second, the notion that Delaney was the only logical hire as interim head coach to get this program back on track. Simply ridiculous. Please tell me what unique qualities Delaney had, that any other Griz coach did NOT have, which made him so "logical"? You same posters saying this crap are the same ones who talk sh*t about Engstrom firing Pflu and O'Day for no reason. If there was no real problem with our football program under Pflu, then why was it such a tough thing for Delaney to "get the program back on track"? You can't have it both ways.

The reality is that: 1) there was nothing wrong with the program in the first place. JJ was acquitted. Pflu did nothing wrong to get fired. 2) Delaney did NOTHING except throw the program into the dark ages with his ridiculous 1970s offense and mis-use of talented players.

Nobody denighs that Mick is a quality human being and a nice guy. But there is a reason why he was never promoted past a position coach in the past.

Now, go ahead and flame away, and demonstrate once again just how most of you live in a maroon-colored dream world.

 

[monte is a character]

Oh, and one more hilarious dittie from this thread. Several of you have lauded our AD for his two hires of the new softball coach, and the new BB coach. Yet, neither one has even had but a few games to support your opinions that they were "great hires". I agree that both had good predigrees, and "on paper" may look like great hires. But the reality is that they must earn the "great hire" moniker by their coaching performance, not by their resume!

Remember that Kennedy had a great resume too! How did that one work out for us?

 

[AZGrizFan]

Oh, and one more hilarious dittie from this thread. Several of you have lauded our AD for his two hires of the new softball coach, and the new BB coach. Yet, neither one has even had but a few games to support your opinions that they were "great hires". I agree that both had good predigrees, and "on paper" may look like great hires. But the reality is that they must earn the "great hire" moniker by their coaching performance, not by their resume!

Remember that Kennedy had a great resume too! How did that one work out for us?

And we won't have ANY games to determine whether the new football coach is a great hire. It's not about the immediate results...it's about the process used to determine who is best suited to lead the programs into the future. Both had good pedigrees and ON PAPER are great hires. Time will tell...and it'd be great if we had 3-4 years of "time" to see if Haslam really knows what the fuck he's doing, but we don't. He has to make a football decision in the next 30 days or so. Given that timeframe and given what we know about the softball and basketball hires, yes, I do have faith he'll go through the right process and find a highly qualified candidate well suited to lead the Griz into the future. And you can throw out Kennedy's name like it's happened repeatedly. But when there's so few of them you can name the truly POOR coaching hires by NAME, it tells you how often our AD has gotten it right.

 

[monte is a character]

Oh, and one more hilarious dittie from this thread. Several of you have lauded our AD for his two hires of the new softball coach, and the new BB coach. Yet, neither one has even had but a few games to support your opinions that they were "great hires". I agree that both had good predigrees, and "on paper" may look like great hires. But the reality is that they must earn the "great hire" moniker by their coaching performance, not by their resume!

Remember that Kennedy had a great resume too! How did that one work out for us?

And we won't have ANY games to determine whether the new football coach is a great hire. It's not about the immediate results...it's about the process used to determine who is best suited to lead the programs into the future. Both had good pedigrees and ON PAPER are great hires. Time will tell...and it'd be great if we had 3-4 years of "time" to see if Haslam really knows what the f*** he's doing, but we don't. He has to make a football decision in the next 30 days or so. Given that timeframe and given what we know about the softball and basketball hires, yes, I do have faith he'll go through the right process and find a highly qualified candidate well suited to lead the Griz into the future. And you can throw out Kennedy's name like it's happened repeatedly. But when there's so few of them you can name the truly POOR coaching hires by NAME, it tells you how often our AD has gotten it right.

So, you're saying there's a chance? :question:

 

[monte is a character]

Oh, and one more hilarious dittie from this thread. Several of you have lauded our AD for his two hires of the new softball coach, and the new BB coach. Yet, neither one has even had but a few games to support your opinions that they were "great hires". I agree that both had good predigrees, and "on paper" may look like great hires. But the reality is that they must earn the "great hire" moniker by their coaching performance, not by their resume!

Remember that Kennedy had a great resume too! How did that one work out for us?

And we won't have ANY games to determine whether the new football coach is a great hire. It's not about the immediate results...it's about the process used to determine who is best suited to lead the programs into the future. Both had good pedigrees and ON PAPER are great hires. Time will tell...and it'd be great if we had 3-4 years of "time" to see if Haslam really knows what the f*** he's doing, but we don't. He has to make a football decision in the next 30 days or so. Given that timeframe and given what we know about the softball and basketball hires, yes, I do have faith he'll go through the right process and find a highly qualified candidate well suited to lead the Griz into the future. And you can throw out Kennedy's name like it's happened repeatedly. But when there's so few of them you can name the truly POOR coaching hires by NAME, it tells you how often our AD has gotten it right.

You can throw Delaney in the mix for poor hires. Not sure Dennehy was a great hire either.

 

[Proud Griz Man]

Nobody denighs that Mick is a quality human being and a nice guy. But there is a reason why he was never promoted past a position coach in the past. Now, go ahead and flame away, and demonstrate once again just how most of you live in a maroon-colored dream world.

Exactly what is "denighs" ? :roll: :roll: :roll: Are you hopped up arty: or :msugrad: slow in head ?

 

[monte is a character]

Nobody denighs that Mick is a quality human being and a nice guy. But there is a reason why he was never promoted past a position coach in the past. Now, go ahead and flame away, and demonstrate once again just how most of you live in a maroon-colored dream world.

Exactly what is "denighs" ? :roll: :roll: :roll: Are you hopped up arty: or :msugrad: slow in head ?

Ever hear of a typo? Glad you passed your spelling test.