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Swillbury
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The Griz are not interested in Montana prosepects anymore as evident when LK didnt offer Jack McGillis a scholie last year. LK is trying to elavate the UM basketball to a new level with bringing in out of state prospects. Lets face it, MT high school basketball isnt the best
I would watch out for Paul Morris and the big sky eagles this year in the west
I would watch out for Paul Morris and the big sky eagles this year in the west
Mslacat
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Swilly3224 said:The Griz are not interested in Montana prosepects anymore as evident when LK didnt offer Jack McGillis a scholie last year. LK is trying to elavate the UM basketball to a new level with bringing in out of state prospects. Lets face it, MT high school basketball isnt the best
I would watch out for Paul Morris and the big sky eagles this year in the west
Given the choice of Austin Swift (UM Freshman), Braden Johnson (MSU Freshman), or Jack McGillis (Oregon St. Freshman) Who do you think will be the better D-1 player!!
Swillbury
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Im not here to judge Mslacat, im just pointing something out. And just because Jack had a half decent game against a Tennessee tech team doesnt mean he is the savior for Oregon State. I believe LK didnt recruit Mcgillis because he got what he wanted in Kyle Sharp!
Tell me that Jack is better than Kyle...i dare you!!
Tell me that Jack is better than Kyle...i dare you!!
mslacat... you think that these guys are getting any attention out of state? I sure hope not. Cuz I think those two could really start a special Cat Griz Rivalry all over again. They both are similar in the way they play aren't they? You think that Morril is actually looking in this state. Could someone tell me if any of those three are getting any other schools' interest?
Whether McGillis is better than sharp I don't know, but he is definitely better than Johnson. They don't play the same position. Jack is a three which both schools are loaded at. He's not better than Dissly or Dhlouhy (sp.). Johnson is a 4. Plus I think it worked out well for Jack. I'm surprised he is playing that much. Good for him hopefully it opened up opportunities for others in Montana.
Mslacat
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Swilly3224 said:
Too early, but Sharp and McGillis are two different type players. McGillis and Swift might be a better comparison. McGillis is a Gaurd /small forward for oregon State. Sharp is a power forward who can play at the small forward. Remember Krysco recruited Swift and the Washington Guard who never showed up over McGillis, not Sharp. That said though Sharp will get more oppertunities to contribute early for the Griz than McGillis will for OSU simply becuase there is more upper end talent at OSU than UM (or MSU). Time will tell.
Again though my point is and always has been Is McGillis good enough to be a Big Sky player. Durham and Krysco said NO and were willing to give the oppertunity to "other out of state" talent. What you seem to be saying is ; "Is McGillis as good as Krysco's (and the Big Sky)best recruit" You think not, I think it could be close, but I ask you is McGillis as good as or better, than the other 3 highschool recruits the Griz signed. He is certainly contributing at a higher level for a supierior team right hear and right now, and besides even if Swift and McGillis were "equal" talents which player do you think would put more butts in the seats.
Mslacat
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cats22 said:
From what I hear Morrill is still very good friends with Doug Selvig (Dereks father) from Doug's days as a Griz player (Morril was an assistant coach at that time), and if Selvig can continue to elevate his game he is on Morrils radar and his Father would be very supportive if he wanted to recruit his son.
Howard had the best year last year of any Montana Sophmores and is on the recruiting radar of a lot of D-1 schools including USU I hear from USU boosters that he is being recruited already by Morrill.. Howard's Dad has been a regular fixture as a coach at the Bobcat Basketball camps for a decade or so. His mother was a all conference basketball player for the Cats for 4 years. That said though, i have heard it said that his mother would not mind if the junior Howard made a name for himself outside of the State. Bobby Howard and the Bobcat coaching staff know each other quite well.
Swillbury
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Time will tell is the right answer for now. I believe Mcgillis should of been recruited by MSU for sure but I will stand by my statement that LK wants to elevate UM's program to the next level and apparently Jack wasnt right for him. LK already has his missoula appeal in Jordan Hasquet but once again its only been two weeks into this year
christo
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Let's put it this way...If, in the UM coaching staff's opinion, McGillis had the most potential of the guys listed and would be the best fit in the system, he would have been offered a scholarship. However, it is what it is and he's over in the pac-10.
My question is why, if McGillis has all this potential, wasn't he recruited heavily (to the point of scholarship) by any other big sky teams. With the classification size of the Missoula schools, you know out-of-state coaches are watching the classification for potential recruits. It seems to me that there is something that the coaches (griz, cats, other big sky teams, etc) saw that didn't make McGillis a good fit for their program or their team. Coaches don't judge only on athletic ability - the leadership and intangibles (not implying Jack doesn't have them) are often what make the difference between an offer or not.
I wish McGillis the best of luck and know that he will perform admirably when given the opportunity.
On the other hand, Swilly, I don't agree that Coach K has abandoned recruiting efforts in Montana to elevate the program. I guarantee you that if a quality recruit for UM's program surfaces in the high school ranks, Coach K will be on him faster than a fat kid on a cupcake. However, obviously, he hasn't felt that that player has separated himself yet; and in response, he's been forced to look outside Montana. Just wait, we'll get someone soon.
My question is why, if McGillis has all this potential, wasn't he recruited heavily (to the point of scholarship) by any other big sky teams. With the classification size of the Missoula schools, you know out-of-state coaches are watching the classification for potential recruits. It seems to me that there is something that the coaches (griz, cats, other big sky teams, etc) saw that didn't make McGillis a good fit for their program or their team. Coaches don't judge only on athletic ability - the leadership and intangibles (not implying Jack doesn't have them) are often what make the difference between an offer or not.
I wish McGillis the best of luck and know that he will perform admirably when given the opportunity.
On the other hand, Swilly, I don't agree that Coach K has abandoned recruiting efforts in Montana to elevate the program. I guarantee you that if a quality recruit for UM's program surfaces in the high school ranks, Coach K will be on him faster than a fat kid on a cupcake. However, obviously, he hasn't felt that that player has separated himself yet; and in response, he's been forced to look outside Montana. Just wait, we'll get someone soon.
williamspo
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OK, guys, I think we are going to have to keep an eye on Kalispell this year. I have a buddy in Kalispell who knows both the basketball and the football coaches and he says:
They have a "just turned 15" year-old freshman who is 6' 8" and pushing 220 pounds. As a freshman, he is already the best player on the Braves team and the team leader. The coaches feel that if he were a senior now, he would already be locked up by a major D-1 team - they can say he is that good and the season hasn't really started.
He moves well, has good hands, and already has the feel for the game. The coaches predict that he will be the best player out of Montana in many years, if the not the best ever. He is a nice kid, mature for his age, good student, and coachable.
Plus, he was a backup QB on the football team - he did get PT. Grady Bennett didn't start him because there are so many intangibles that go into making a QB, but he has a great arm. He wants to be a Charlie Ward - the first kid out of Montana to go major D-1 and be both a hoops player and the QB.
Go watch Kalispell and see what you think of this player. His first name is Brock (sp?) and last name is something like Osterlin (sp?). Mslacat will let us know soon enough.
I suppose that the debate in the Flathead will be whether he should even be playing football at his height given the leg/knee issues. It will be interesting to watch him develop. We will have to wish him the best wherever he ends up. Being that talented places a lot of pressure on a just turned 15 year-old.
They have a "just turned 15" year-old freshman who is 6' 8" and pushing 220 pounds. As a freshman, he is already the best player on the Braves team and the team leader. The coaches feel that if he were a senior now, he would already be locked up by a major D-1 team - they can say he is that good and the season hasn't really started.
He moves well, has good hands, and already has the feel for the game. The coaches predict that he will be the best player out of Montana in many years, if the not the best ever. He is a nice kid, mature for his age, good student, and coachable.
Plus, he was a backup QB on the football team - he did get PT. Grady Bennett didn't start him because there are so many intangibles that go into making a QB, but he has a great arm. He wants to be a Charlie Ward - the first kid out of Montana to go major D-1 and be both a hoops player and the QB.
Go watch Kalispell and see what you think of this player. His first name is Brock (sp?) and last name is something like Osterlin (sp?). Mslacat will let us know soon enough.
I suppose that the debate in the Flathead will be whether he should even be playing football at his height given the leg/knee issues. It will be interesting to watch him develop. We will have to wish him the best wherever he ends up. Being that talented places a lot of pressure on a just turned 15 year-old.
Debating semantics...I love it.
Watched Jack play much of his early years at Hellgate. I always thought he could contribute at the UofM, much in the way that Chavez finally doing now. McGillis and Chavez are amongst the two smartest basketball players that I have the pleasure of watching at the high school level. McGillis's tallent isn't all about what is capable of athletically, but his potential for elevating beyond his athetic ceiling is quite high. Same is said for Chavez.
As for in state players... Take a look at the 6-5 kid from T-Falls. Evan Hopkins (I think that is his last name) would be starting at Kalispell (where he came from as a Freshman). Kid is a full court player and a high riser (could 360 dunk it as a freshman). Not sure if he as good as the frosh from Kalispell this year, but none the less a stud.
Jeff Larson from Cut Bank. If you thought he was good on the football field, he reminds me a bit of McGillis on the basketball floor, maybe not as much of a refined basketball player, but I think he will get D1 schollie offers potentially in both sports. You get him focused on Basketball, he could be incredible. He was the reason Cut Bank won the state title in Football this year and basketball last year.
Shawn Tatarka- The lesser known of the two super sophs at GFH last year. A good good all around basketball player, not the scorer that Howard is, but nonetheless a fun kid to watch.
As for pure scoring ability, if you get a chance to watch Travis Poor ( a kid from my school Simms) he has the ability to put up 30 just about every night. he was amongst the states best scorers last year, and probably should be again. Probably not D1 talent, but when he is on a roll, he is fun to watch.
Watched Jack play much of his early years at Hellgate. I always thought he could contribute at the UofM, much in the way that Chavez finally doing now. McGillis and Chavez are amongst the two smartest basketball players that I have the pleasure of watching at the high school level. McGillis's tallent isn't all about what is capable of athletically, but his potential for elevating beyond his athetic ceiling is quite high. Same is said for Chavez.
As for in state players... Take a look at the 6-5 kid from T-Falls. Evan Hopkins (I think that is his last name) would be starting at Kalispell (where he came from as a Freshman). Kid is a full court player and a high riser (could 360 dunk it as a freshman). Not sure if he as good as the frosh from Kalispell this year, but none the less a stud.
Jeff Larson from Cut Bank. If you thought he was good on the football field, he reminds me a bit of McGillis on the basketball floor, maybe not as much of a refined basketball player, but I think he will get D1 schollie offers potentially in both sports. You get him focused on Basketball, he could be incredible. He was the reason Cut Bank won the state title in Football this year and basketball last year.
Shawn Tatarka- The lesser known of the two super sophs at GFH last year. A good good all around basketball player, not the scorer that Howard is, but nonetheless a fun kid to watch.
As for pure scoring ability, if you get a chance to watch Travis Poor ( a kid from my school Simms) he has the ability to put up 30 just about every night. he was amongst the states best scorers last year, and probably should be again. Probably not D1 talent, but when he is on a roll, he is fun to watch.
williamspo
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Thanks for beating Mslacat to the correction.
arty:Saw Brock play football once this year. The kid is a stud and has a great arm. He is not a skinny 6'8" that you would expect from a 15 year old. It will be interesting watching him, as he may turn out to be another Gillman, or better.
Recruiting is an art. I think LK has done an outstanding job. My understanding is that Jack grew and got a lot better his senior season. Recruiting starts earlier than that. When he started showing he was very good his senior year, LK had one schollie and needed an inside player and got the Fresno State kid - GREAT job LK! Later when another was available, Jack wouldn't even talk to UM and was off to greener pastures. Good for him. But, at the time of the early signing before the Senior year even begins, I would take UM's recruits over Jack. Some people blossom their senior years, and signing people early leaves those gems out. But, Mslacat, please realize if you keep throwing this hind-sight back in UM's and MSU's face, many will soon be rooting against the kid, and that would be a shame. So don't do that anymore. Jack is doing well and we should be glad, not remorseful. Seems it worked out for everyone, especially Jack, doesn't it???
Recruiting is an art. I think LK has done an outstanding job. My understanding is that Jack grew and got a lot better his senior season. Recruiting starts earlier than that. When he started showing he was very good his senior year, LK had one schollie and needed an inside player and got the Fresno State kid - GREAT job LK! Later when another was available, Jack wouldn't even talk to UM and was off to greener pastures. Good for him. But, at the time of the early signing before the Senior year even begins, I would take UM's recruits over Jack. Some people blossom their senior years, and signing people early leaves those gems out. But, Mslacat, please realize if you keep throwing this hind-sight back in UM's and MSU's face, many will soon be rooting against the kid, and that would be a shame. So don't do that anymore. Jack is doing well and we should be glad, not remorseful. Seems it worked out for everyone, especially Jack, doesn't it???
Grizfan-24 said:
I agree totally with you as far as Larson....great athlete and just keeps getting better!!! As far as Travis Poor, no offense, but if Jake Gustafson couldn't get looks from D-1 schools...don't bank on Travis Poor. Travis is a fun kid to watch, no doubt about it, but he is pretty small, I wish him luck this season and hope that I am wrong about him not getting any looks.
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