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Look at last season's stats. McGillis - 17.5 ppg Hasquet- just over 11. And Hasquet had better talent around him. Granted, he was the second option at best (if you say that he and Morris shared that distinction), but I don't think that you can make this arguement because i think that if Jack didn't have to share shots, escpecially at the start of the year, then Jack would be puttin up 25+ at least. Now that the players know their roles as Charlie as the penetrator and disher, T-Mo as the spot up shooter and slasher, and McGillis as the go to scorer they are rolling. 71 points in two nights? I don't care if it was Big Sky and Stevi, thats sick. And 9-10 in the second half against the Sentinel? I think its safe to say that Jack is rollin. Oh, and monthoops, I have the answer to your question of why hasquet doesn't post up at 6'7' in Montana high school hoops. Cuz he weighs 190 lbs soaking wet and he is the least assertive player in the state. I agree with jdogcolej, if he was more assertive he'd be perceived and would be a more dominant force, but i don't know if you can question his heart because he is the leader (by example) of an overachieving Spartan squad that actually half-way plays defense, a novel concept under fischer. They are finally starting to come back to earth after an 8-1 start though (9-7 now).
 
First of all, Swilly3224, i hate to disagree w/ you, but jack is cocky because he can be. he is dominating right now. and morris has all the heart he needs for he and his team to win a state title. but yes, cox deserves it very much, i will agree there. footbasketgirz, i am in total agreement w/ you on Hellgate's role players. Jack is a very lucky player. cox is indeed the best point guard in the state being able to pass the ball like crazy and score when he needs to. and having morris is an extreme bonus, he is a defenite threat from the outside, and is pretty quick to take people off the dribble when needed. it makes it very hard for defenses to double jack and leave these other guys open to do things. im not saying at all that jack can't score on his own, because god knows he can. all im saying is he has a little help from his squad, and if kellen were in the position, it would be kind of the same way i think. However, Mslaman56, i have to disagree w/ you. sentinel has very poor defense, and things arent really "coming together." they started 8-1, but 1-7 after that isn't going to cut it. (especially dropping games to Ronan and such). the only way that sentinel is going to start winning games is if they utilize kellen in the post. but before they can even do that, kellen has to stop playing so soft and learn to play like a big man, even though he is 190 or whatever.
 
I said that they were coming back to earth, aka their hot streak was over and they are playing like the team they really are, a mediocre one. I didn't say that they were coming together.
 
Kellen is not a good post player, if he was he would be playing post. He is a better wing. Garland is the post player for Sentinel, although young he is a better player with his back to his basket then Hasquet.
 
So Explosive, in your expert opinion how far will Sentinel go this year? I am dying to hear from someone like you :D
 
Explosive 1 said:
Kellen is not a good post player, if he was he would be playing post. He is a better wing. Garland is the post player for Sentinel, although young he is a better player with his back to his basket then Hasquet.
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McGillis isn't Hellgate's post player either. But that doesn't stop him from using his size and posting up.
 
mslaman56, thats my fault, i just misunderstood you then. explosive1, i am also curious to see how far YOU think sentinel will go...... monthoops, good point about mcgillis. kellen needs to find a way to get things done like jack, because right now he isn't doing much. (it would help if kellen had a little supporting cast, but besides garland there isn't much).
 
You guys just don't listen very well. Sentinel is not a very good team. They have one legit player and everything is focused on him. By the way nobody said Sentinel is going far this year, but will be lucky to make state. I also said at this point in there careers Jack is the better player than Kellen, it is just that Kellen is very young for his grade and still has got an immature body. Jack on the other hand is a lot stronger than Kellen so I believe in the end when Kellen grows up a little more he will be a better player than Jack. Peace
 
footbasketgriz said:
Jack on the other hand is a lot stronger than Kellen so I believe in the end when Kellen grows up a little more he will be a better player than Jack. Peace
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Well 'footbasketgriz', you are entitled to your own opinion. However, I respectfully disagree with you, and I think most of the D1 coaches in the Northwest would too.
 
Good point that Kellen is very young for his grade. Like I said before, in a couple years he will be the best of the bunch. Kellen will develop and become a very good player. He is the best pure player of them all so once he develops he will clearly be the best.
(By pure, I mean look how smooth he is and how easily he maneuvers on the court, the last kid that moved like that was Brad Solander of Sentinel (class of 2002) that unfortunately didn't have the size that Kellen has)

I would like to say that I am a big Jack McGillis fan. This kid was awful his first few years of high-school but worked his butt off and became a wonderfully fun player to watch. I remember beating up on Jack his frosh and soph years in the summers but last time we played he was all over me...payback sucks. He has the best work habits of this senior class already, I hope he does well.

AAAAHHHHHHHH..... So you guys want to know how far I think Sentinel will go????

:lol: Sweetwyne what a thrilling question. :lol:

Well Sentinel is probably not going to make State this year, but I have been really encouraged by watching the future of the Spartans in Andy Garland and Mark Henkel, they got 3 more years and will be a fun tandem to watch. I think Fischer has done a great job at incorporating them into major roles on the team this year and it will pay off big in the future.
 
Explosive 1 said:
Good point that Kellen is very young for his grade. Like I said before, in a couple years he will be the best of the bunch. Kellen will develop and become a very good player. He is the best pure player of them all so once he develops he will clearly be the best.
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These excuses for Kellen not producing like he should be are getting a bit repetitous, don't you think. The kid has been 6'7" for a heck of a lot longer that McGillis has been 6'6". Remember, McGillis was 6'2" a year ago. I think Kellen was 6'6" or 6'7" a year ago. So if there is anyone that has yet to develop and get used to thier size and adjust, I'd say it's McGillis. And as for people saying McGillis is much bigger and stronger than Hasquet.? Have you ever seen them side by side. They're both skinny, if not Kellen is a bit wider than Jack. Mental toughness of course is a whole different story. I can understand ones byass toward a player for certain reasons (i.e. school, family, friends), but their comes a point when you have to face reality. I think that if Hasquet had more potential and a bigger upside than McGillis, Then the majority of D1 coaches could see that and would be recruiting Hasquet instead of McGillis. That just simply is not the case.
 
AMEN monthoops, well said. I would agree with Explosive in the fact that McGillis has improved tremendously in all areas of his game, but I don't know if he was terrible his first two years in high school. He played JV for the majority of his freshmen year and Varsity when he was a soph, so he wasn't bad. But he has improved his long range shot, his mid range j, his ball handling. He is substantially better as an overall player and has made himself a very attractive prospect, which was a smart decision because honestly, what D1 program wants a 6'6 post player, aka Jake Williams of Missoula Big Sky two seasons ago. Jake was forced to play post his senior season because of lack of front court depth and a close-minded coach in John Buck, and now he is a point-forward type player for Montana Tech. Jake could've been a D1 prospect if he were helped out by the Eagles coaching staff and would've been able to display his overall game more to his full ability.

I think the main reason why people imply that Jack is more physically strong then Kellen is not because of actual physical attributes or size or strength, but rather the fact that Jack displays more strength, uses his strength as a player on defense as well as offense, and generally just excerts himself in a more aggressive, PHYSICAL, strong manner on the court. Monthoops is right, they are both skinny as a rail and have frames that could hold alot more weight, its just a matter of using what they have. I know that Sampson makes them lift in the before the season too so I'm sure Jack is stronger as far as lifting weights is concerned unless Fischer has some demanding offseason training program that no one knows about. Good one.
 
O.k. There should be no debate to this issue. Hands down, Jack McGillis is a much more complete player than Kellen Hasquet. Perhaps Kellen gets some of the props he receives due to the thought that he is the same player as his big brother who plays at the U. However, I tend to agree with the opinion that he is very soft player who has a nice game and outside shot, but definitly not nice enough for the next level. McGillis on the other hand seems to be improving both in his game and physically, and seems that not only now, but also in the future, will be miles in front of Kellen.

Missoula All City Team: G: Charlie Cox, G:Paul Morris, F: Trevor Morris F:Kellen Hasquet C:Jack McGillis
 
Swilly, there are only two official defensive stats that are kept in high school bball and those are blocks and steals. If I'm not mistaken, Kellen is in the top ten of both categories. He must play some D. I'm not saying by any means that he is a shut down defender, but hes not as bad at D as ppl give him credit for, or lack there of.
 
footbasketgriz said:
If you measure Jack with a measuring tape in his bare feet and he is 6'6 i will buy you your Kokanee. Aye
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OK footbasketgriz it sounds to me like you are weenying out on us here! What we are talking about here is basketball. Basketball height. If Kamar Davis is 6-7, if Marvin Moss is 6-6, if Matt Martin is 6-2, then by all means using that same measuring tape McGillis is 6-6 to 6-7. Myself I would also fork over a case of Kokanee if you put Davis and McGillis next to one another and Davis was taller than Jack!

BTW. Jack has grown 4" in the last 12-16 months, is he done yet? At 6-7 or 6-8 now we are talking a Pac-10 player? What do you think Mthoops?
 
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