Hauck - best to wear 17 in all of FCS

[go96griz]

This has been a fun list to watch heading into the season. The Griz have 3 on this list already, Olson, Akem and Hauck. What is the over-under for Griz players on this list when its complete? They have not announced numbers 1-16, which include the following guys that strike me as possibilities.

16 Jerry Louie-McGee
13 Josh Sandry
11 Dalton Sneed
7 Gabe Sulser

I say the over-under is 5.5. I have a pretty good feeling about numbers 16 and 11. Gabe Sulser at 7 only has a one year resume. Could he sneak in to make it 6? For the record, I have no idea who might wear these numbers for other teams, so I could be totally off.

Either way, its fun to see guys getting some national praise!

I'll take the under. Possibly JLM and possibly Sneed, but honestly don't know other players numbers well enough. Doubt Sandry or Susler will be there.

Looks like we are stuck at 3 -- 33-Dante Olson, 18-Sammy Akem, 17-Robby Hauck
The under was the smart bet.
#16 went to Tyree Robinson, safety from ETSU.
#13 went to Shane Simpson, running back from Towson.
#11 went to Josh Pearson, wide receiver from Jacksonville State.

 

[PlayerRep]

Jobman was no. 3. Thus, the Cats, according to the positions on the roster, had their d-lineman at 3d, 4th, 6th and 7th in tackles. My mistake was listing one at 5th and not 4th, I believe.

Had Olson not been in on so many tackles, the stats would have been different too.

Jobman is a linebacker. Sterk is a hybrid DE/LB. If you go to the BSC site and look at game participation you’ll see that. LBs and safeties are almost always the leading tacklers. You should know that based on your background. MSU’s leading pure DL tackler was DE Faanono. He was 5th. I’m sure you can find a team that had a DL listed #1 if you look hard enough. That doesn’t change the fact that most teams leading tacklers are LBs and safeties.

You can also probably find some team stats that have players getting twice as many assisted tackles at home as on the road. I doubt very many. Let me know what you find.

It’s seems like you’re dependent upon the stats to tell you if someone is good or not. I’d think someone with your background would just know by watching a few games.

Here’s a quiz: name the second best defensive player on last year’s team. I expect you to get it right on the first try, because I really think you’re an intelligent fan.

From 2018 Cat roster:

"DE 6'4" 211 lbs
91
Michael Jobman"

My point isn't that linebackers and safeties get more tackles; my point is that UM's d-line and scheme is set up to take on blockers and free up others for the tackle. Thus, UM's d-line don't have many tackles, and UM linebackers and safeties have even more than usual. MSU's d-line and scheme must not be set up that way. That's why the d-line has so many of them in the top 7.

Pay attention if you are going to discuss defense with me. Everyone knows that generally linebackers and safeties get more tackles. Again, that wasn't the point. You are trying to discuss a point that wasn't even in the conversation.

Also, I was never discussing who was good. Again, my point was that UM's d-line and scheme is set up to protect others. How many times do I have to say that to you?

Speaking of defense, my former teammate Barry Brink is coming through town this afternoon. I may take him to practice.

Check out the SI defensive player of the week for Dartmouth's win over Yale in 1970. Yes, Barry Brink. Also, check out the eastern standings at that time.

https://www.si.com/vault/issue/43091/49

Jobman was at linebacker in every game he started, which was 10 games. Just look at the game participation reports.

On every team linebackers and safeties are the leading tacklers. Whether you scheme to that or not. It may enhance it, but it doesn’t change it from the DL making a majority of the tackles to the LBs and safeties making most of them. Because even if you aren’t scheming to funnel plays to your LBs and safeties, they’re still going to make more tackles than the DL.

My main reason for entering this discussion was to point out to bozono that tackle stats, especially assisted tackles have a degree of subjectivity. The main example showing that the large disparity between assisted tackles at home vs on the road.

I’m not trying to insult your intelligence, so don’t be offended, but Maybe you didn’t know this. The home team provides the stat keepers for games. We had 338 assisted tackles at home, but only 164 on the road. We only played one more home game than road games. That alone is pretty strong evidence of the subjectivity involved.

As a side note: the 338 assisted tackles in six home games were more than all but one Big Sky team for their entire regular season. By a lot in most cases.

Never heard of Barry Brink, but that’s a catchy name.

Again, I was making one point and one point only. i.e. that the Griz defense is set up for the d-line to take on blockers (and that would cause other defenders to get more tackles). I don't know why you can't seem to accept that. It's a fact.

You responded by saying how many tackles the Big Sky MVP had. I then showed the Cat d-line stats, and mentioned the Cat roster and then later showed that the Cat roster showed that guy as a linebacker on its page. I didn't say the stats. I said the roster. I can accept that the Cat roster was wrong, on its opening page.

I'm not offended at all. I just pointing out that you are not addressing the point I made, and you keep bringing up all kinds of irrelevant stuff.

Do you really think that anyone doesn't know that, generally safeties and backers, get more tackles than d-lineman? If so, you are showing how little you know about football.

By the way, the Cat example, even with just the 3 real d-lineman, indicates that their defense is not set up like the Griz D.

Now, you've said the Griz home assist stats were not even no. 1 in the conference.

Now, you're trying to tell me how game stats are determined. Jeez, you are insulting yourself by being so stupid. You obviously never played the game.

Barry Brink played in the East West Shrine game and Hula Bowl. Wouldn't expect anyone outside of our team to know who he was, but he was a damn good player.

 

[getgrizzy]

Jobman is a linebacker. Sterk is a hybrid DE/LB. If you go to the BSC site and look at game participation you’ll see that. LBs and safeties are almost always the leading tacklers. You should know that based on your background. MSU’s leading pure DL tackler was DE Faanono. He was 5th. I’m sure you can find a team that had a DL listed #1 if you look hard enough. That doesn’t change the fact that most teams leading tacklers are LBs and safeties.

You can also probably find some team stats that have players getting twice as many assisted tackles at home as on the road. I doubt very many. Let me know what you find.

It’s seems like you’re dependent upon the stats to tell you if someone is good or not. I’d think someone with your background would just know by watching a few games.

Here’s a quiz: name the second best defensive player on last year’s team. I expect you to get it right on the first try, because I really think you’re an intelligent fan.

From 2018 Cat roster:

"DE 6'4" 211 lbs
91
Michael Jobman"

My point isn't that linebackers and safeties get more tackles; my point is that UM's d-line and scheme is set up to take on blockers and free up others for the tackle. Thus, UM's d-line don't have many tackles, and UM linebackers and safeties have even more than usual. MSU's d-line and scheme must not be set up that way. That's why the d-line has so many of them in the top 7.

Pay attention if you are going to discuss defense with me. Everyone knows that generally linebackers and safeties get more tackles. Again, that wasn't the point. You are trying to discuss a point that wasn't even in the conversation.

Also, I was never discussing who was good. Again, my point was that UM's d-line and scheme is set up to protect others. How many times do I have to say that to you?

Speaking of defense, my former teammate Barry Brink is coming through town this afternoon. I may take him to practice.

Check out the SI defensive player of the week for Dartmouth's win over Yale in 1970. Yes, Barry Brink. Also, check out the eastern standings at that time.

https://www.si.com/vault/issue/43091/49

Jobman was at linebacker in every game he started, which was 10 games. Just look at the game participation reports.

On every team linebackers and safeties are the leading tacklers. Whether you scheme to that or not. It may enhance it, but it doesn’t change it from the DL making a majority of the tackles to the LBs and safeties making most of them. Because even if you aren’t scheming to funnel plays to your LBs and safeties, they’re still going to make more tackles than the DL.

My main reason for entering this discussion was to point out to bozono that tackle stats, especially assisted tackles have a degree of subjectivity. The main example showing that the large disparity between assisted tackles at home vs on the road.

I’m not trying to insult your intelligence, so don’t be offended, but Maybe you didn’t know this. The home team provides the stat keepers for games. We had 338 assisted tackles at home, but only 164 on the road. We only played one more home game than road games. That alone is pretty strong evidence of the subjectivity involved.

As a side note: the 338 assisted tackles in six home games were more than all but one Big Sky team for their entire regular season. By a lot in most cases.

Never heard of Barry Brink, but that’s a catchy name.

Again, I was making one point and one point only. i.e. that the Griz defense is set up for the d-line to take on blockers (and that would cause other defenders to get more tackles). I don't know why you can't seem to accept that. It's a fact.

You responded by saying how many tackles the Big Sky MVP had. I then showed the Cat d-line stats, and mentioned the Cat roster and then later showed that the Cat roster showed that guy as a linebacker on its page. I didn't say the stats. I said the roster. I can accept that the Cat roster was wrong, on its opening page.

I'm not offended at all. I just pointing out that you are not addressing the point I made, and you keep bringing up all kinds of irrelevant stuff.

Do you really think that anyone doesn't know that, generally safeties and backers, get more tackles than d-lineman? If so, you are showing how little you know about football.

By the way, the Cat example, even with just the 3 real d-lineman, indicates that their defense is not set up like the Griz D.

Now, you've said the Griz home assist stats were not even no. 1 in the conference.

Now, you're trying to tell me how game stats are determined. Jeez, you are insulting yourself by being so stupid. You obviously never played the game.

Barry Brink played in the East West Shrine game and Hula Bowl. Wouldn't expect anyone outside of our team to know who he was, but he was a damn good player.

I did acknowledge and already knew (hence no need to accept it as fact) that about our defensive scheme. No sense discussing it.

You weighed in on my point, but still don’t seem to be acknowledging that tackle stats especially assists are subjective.

I didn’t say our home assist stats aren’t no. 1 in the Big Sky.

our home statisticians are much more liberal handing out assists than road statisticians. That is evident in the fact that we had twice as many assists at home vs on the road. What would explain that? I’ll take your lack of response as you agreeing that our home statisticians are much more liberal and that tackle stats due to subjectivity are not reliable. Do you realize stats aren’t kept by league officials?

 

[PlayerRep]

From 2018 Cat roster:

"DE 6'4" 211 lbs
91
Michael Jobman"

My point isn't that linebackers and safeties get more tackles; my point is that UM's d-line and scheme is set up to take on blockers and free up others for the tackle. Thus, UM's d-line don't have many tackles, and UM linebackers and safeties have even more than usual. MSU's d-line and scheme must not be set up that way. That's why the d-line has so many of them in the top 7.

Pay attention if you are going to discuss defense with me. Everyone knows that generally linebackers and safeties get more tackles. Again, that wasn't the point. You are trying to discuss a point that wasn't even in the conversation.

Also, I was never discussing who was good. Again, my point was that UM's d-line and scheme is set up to protect others. How many times do I have to say that to you?

Speaking of defense, my former teammate Barry Brink is coming through town this afternoon. I may take him to practice.

Check out the SI defensive player of the week for Dartmouth's win over Yale in 1970. Yes, Barry Brink. Also, check out the eastern standings at that time.

https://www.si.com/vault/issue/43091/49

Jobman was at linebacker in every game he started, which was 10 games. Just look at the game participation reports.

On every team linebackers and safeties are the leading tacklers. Whether you scheme to that or not. It may enhance it, but it doesn’t change it from the DL making a majority of the tackles to the LBs and safeties making most of them. Because even if you aren’t scheming to funnel plays to your LBs and safeties, they’re still going to make more tackles than the DL.

My main reason for entering this discussion was to point out to bozono that tackle stats, especially assisted tackles have a degree of subjectivity. The main example showing that the large disparity between assisted tackles at home vs on the road.

I’m not trying to insult your intelligence, so don’t be offended, but Maybe you didn’t know this. The home team provides the stat keepers for games. We had 338 assisted tackles at home, but only 164 on the road. We only played one more home game than road games. That alone is pretty strong evidence of the subjectivity involved.

As a side note: the 338 assisted tackles in six home games were more than all but one Big Sky team for their entire regular season. By a lot in most cases.

Never heard of Barry Brink, but that’s a catchy name.

Again, I was making one point and one point only. i.e. that the Griz defense is set up for the d-line to take on blockers (and that would cause other defenders to get more tackles). I don't know why you can't seem to accept that. It's a fact.

You responded by saying how many tackles the Big Sky MVP had. I then showed the Cat d-line stats, and mentioned the Cat roster and then later showed that the Cat roster showed that guy as a linebacker on its page. I didn't say the stats. I said the roster. I can accept that the Cat roster was wrong, on its opening page.

I'm not offended at all. I just pointing out that you are not addressing the point I made, and you keep bringing up all kinds of irrelevant stuff.

Do you really think that anyone doesn't know that, generally safeties and backers, get more tackles than d-lineman? If so, you are showing how little you know about football.

By the way, the Cat example, even with just the 3 real d-lineman, indicates that their defense is not set up like the Griz D.

Now, you've said the Griz home assist stats were not even no. 1 in the conference.

Now, you're trying to tell me how game stats are determined. Jeez, you are insulting yourself by being so stupid. You obviously never played the game.

Barry Brink played in the East West Shrine game and Hula Bowl. Wouldn't expect anyone outside of our team to know who he was, but he was a damn good player.

I did acknowledge and already knew (hence no need to accept it as fact) that about our defensive scheme. No sense discussing it.

You weighed in on my point, but still don’t seem to be acknowledging that tackle stats especially assists are subjective.

I didn’t say our home assist stats aren’t no. 1 in the Big Sky.

our home statisticians are much more liberal handing out assists than road statisticians. That is evident in the fact that we had twice as many assists at home vs on the road. What would explain that? I’ll take your lack of response as you agreeing that our home statisticians are much more liberal and that tackle stats due to subjectivity are not reliable. Do you realize stats aren’t kept by league officials?

Where do you think I weighed in on your point? Just curious.

Where did you acknowledge that the Griz D is designed to have the d-line absorb blockers and free up others for the tackle? I must have missed that.

Everyone in the world knows tackle stats are subjective. How could they be done any other way? Why do you have to make obvious and dumb points like this?

Yes, of course, I know that league officials don't do game tackle or other stats for college games. Feel free to identify anyone who thinks that league officials do that.

I am not addressing your other points. Most of there are too silly to comment on, or I don't have enough information.

I take it that you admit that you never played the game?