Hauck - best to wear 17 in all of FCS

[PlayerRep]

Looked up some statistics on Robby Hauck. Statistics don’t lie.
He was a finalist for FCS freshman of the year last year. Named the nations top freshman tackler and was the big sky fifth leading tackler overall with 95 total tackles as a freshman. As a senior in high school at Del Norte in San Diego he finished third overall in the state of California in total tackles. He set school records in tackles and led the entire league and division in San Diego. State posters said the same thing about his uncle Tim. We all know how that turned out !!!
So no, he wouldn’t be starting for state because he would never consider playing for little brother.Previous post is a classic example of GRIZ Envey

Tackle stats have a lot of subjectivity. Especially assisted tackles. We and ISU had 502 and 482, respectively. Of all the other BSC teams that played 11 games only one had more than 268 assists and that was 324 by NAU. PSU was the low at 228.

Of our 502, 338 were at home 164 were on the road. Olson is credited with 94 assists. 64 in six home games. 30 in five road games.

Second to Olson’s 94 assists is Holland at 57, then Hauck at 54.

Perhaps true, and interesting, but flying to the ball and group tackling leads to more assists. Also, UM had so many close games that the starters were still playing late in the game. Also, the UM defense was designed to give the tackles to the backers of some of the secondary. While I didn't look, I assume UM's d-line didn't have lots of tackles.

 

[AZGrizFan]

Looked up some statistics on Robby Hauck. Statistics don’t lie.
He was a finalist for FCS freshman of the year last year. Named the nations top freshman tackler and was the big sky fifth leading tackler overall with 95 total tackles as a freshman. As a senior in high school at Del Norte in San Diego he finished third overall in the state of California in total tackles. He set school records in tackles and led the entire league and division in San Diego. State posters said the same thing about his uncle Tim. We all know how that turned out !!!
So no, he wouldn’t be starting for state because he would never consider playing for little brother.Previous post is a classic example of GRIZ Envey

Tackle stats have a lot of subjectivity. Especially assisted tackles. We and ISU had 502 and 482, respectively. Of all the other BSC teams that played 11 games only one had more than 268 assists and that was 324 by NAU. PSU was the low at 228.

Of our 502, 338 were at home 164 were on the road. Olson is credited with 94 assists. 64 in six home games. 30 in five road games.

Second to Olson’s 94 assists is Holland at 57, then Hauck at 54.

Perhaps true, and interesting, but flying to the ball and group tackling leads to more assists. Also, UM had so many close games that the starters were still playing late in the game. Also, the UM defense was designed to give the tackles to the backers of some of the secondary. While I didn't look, I assume UM's d-line didn't have lots of tackles.

You would be correct.

 

[getgrizzy]

Looked up some statistics on Robby Hauck. Statistics don’t lie.
He was a finalist for FCS freshman of the year last year. Named the nations top freshman tackler and was the big sky fifth leading tackler overall with 95 total tackles as a freshman. As a senior in high school at Del Norte in San Diego he finished third overall in the state of California in total tackles. He set school records in tackles and led the entire league and division in San Diego. State posters said the same thing about his uncle Tim. We all know how that turned out !!!
So no, he wouldn’t be starting for state because he would never consider playing for little brother.Previous post is a classic example of GRIZ Envey

Tackle stats have a lot of subjectivity. Especially assisted tackles. We and ISU had 502 and 482, respectively. Of all the other BSC teams that played 11 games only one had more than 268 assists and that was 324 by NAU. PSU was the low at 228.

Of our 502, 338 were at home 164 were on the road. Olson is credited with 94 assists. 64 in six home games. 30 in five road games.

Second to Olson’s 94 assists is Holland at 57, then Hauck at 54.

Perhaps true, and interesting, but flying to the ball and group tackling leads to more assists. Also, UM had so many close games that the starters were still playing late in the game. Also, the UM defense was designed to give the tackles to the backers of some of the secondary. While I didn't look, I assume UM's d-line didn't have lots of tackles.

Good points. I thought the home vs away was the most interesting.

Solo tackles have a check in that there can’t be more solo tackles than opponents plays. Sacks and TFL need to occur behind the line of scrimmage, so it’s difficult to fudge on those. But assists don’t really have a rule or check. They are subjective and are easier to be more liberal with.

 

[AZGrizFan]

Montana's list of leading tacklers last year. To PR's point, you don't see a DL on the list until Sims @ #9 with 42 tackles. All DB's and LB's:

OLSON, Dante 151
HAUCK, Robby 95
BUSS, Josh 75
MILLER, Reid 68
LEWIS, Jace 62
SANDRY, Josh 61
CALHOUN, Justin 56
ROBERTSON, G. 48
SIMS, Jesse 42
TILLEMAN, R. 40
SHAW, David 35

 

[getgrizzy]

Montana's list of leading tacklers last year. To PR's point, you don't see a DL on the list until Sims @ #9 with 42 tackles. All DB's and LB's:

OLSON, Dante 151
HAUCK, Robby 95
BUSS, Josh 75
MILLER, Reid 68
LEWIS, Jace 62
SANDRY, Josh 61
CALHOUN, Justin 56
ROBERTSON, G. 48
SIMS, Jesse 42
TILLEMAN, R. 40
SHAW, David 35

Similar to almost all teams LBs and safeties are usually the leading tacklers. The 2018 Big Sky DPOY played DL and had even less tackles than Sims and Tillman.

 

[PlayerRep]

Montana's list of leading tacklers last year. To PR's point, you don't see a DL on the list until Sims @ #9 with 42 tackles. All DB's and LB's:

OLSON, Dante 151
HAUCK, Robby 95
BUSS, Josh 75
MILLER, Reid 68
LEWIS, Jace 62
SANDRY, Josh 61
CALHOUN, Justin 56
ROBERTSON, G. 48
SIMS, Jesse 42
TILLEMAN, R. 40
SHAW, David 35

Similar to almost all teams LBs and safeties are usually the leading tacklers. The 2018 Big Sky DPOY played DL and had even less tackles than Sims and Tillman.

2 other EWU lineman had 47 and 45 tackles.

Cat d-linemen were 3d, 5th, 6th and 7th in tackles.

 

[go96griz]

Looked up some statistics on Robby Hauck. Statistics don’t lie.
He was a finalist for FCS freshman of the year last year. Named the nations top freshman tackler and was the big sky fifth leading tackler overall with 95 total tackles as a freshman. As a senior in high school at Del Norte in San Diego he finished third overall in the state of California in total tackles. He set school records in tackles and led the entire league and division in San Diego. State posters said the same thing about his uncle Tim. We all know how that turned out !!!
So no, he wouldn’t be starting for state because he would never consider playing for little brother.Previous post is a classic example of GRIZ Envey

Tackle stats have a lot of subjectivity. Especially assisted tackles. We and ISU had 502 and 482, respectively. Of all the other BSC teams that played 11 games only one had more than 268 assists and that was 324 by NAU. PSU was the low at 228.

Of our 502, 338 were at home 164 were on the road. Olson is credited with 94 assists. 64 in six home games. 30 in five road games.

Second to Olson’s 94 assists is Holland at 57, then Hauck at 54.

Perhaps true, and interesting, but flying to the ball and group tackling leads to more assists. Also, UM had so many close games that the starters were still playing late in the game. Also, the UM defense was designed to give the tackles to the backers of some of the secondary. While I didn't look, I assume UM's d-line didn't have lots of tackles.

And if you don’t believe that, just ask Dante’s mom and she’ll set you straight. She is a coach’s wife and knows her stuff. She felt Dante was shorted on more than a few games. Gotta love her!

 

[braves84]

Looked up some statistics on Robby Hauck. Statistics don’t lie.
He was a finalist for FCS freshman of the year last year. Named the nations top freshman tackler and was the big sky fifth leading tackler overall with 95 total tackles as a freshman. As a senior in high school at Del Norte in San Diego he finished third overall in the state of California in total tackles. He set school records in tackles and led the entire league and division in San Diego. State posters said the same thing about his uncle Tim. We all know how that turned out !!!
So no, he wouldn’t be starting for state because he would never consider playing for little brother.Previous post is a classic example of GRIZ Envey

Tackle stats have a lot of subjectivity. Especially assisted tackles. We and ISU had 502 and 482, respectively. Of all the other BSC teams that played 11 games only one had more than 268 assists and that was 324 by NAU. PSU was the low at 228.

Of our 502, 338 were at home 164 were on the road. Olson is credited with 94 assists. 64 in six home games. 30 in five road games.

Second to Olson’s 94 assists is Holland at 57, then Hauck at 54.

Perhaps true, and interesting, but flying to the ball and group tackling leads to more assists. Also, UM had so many close games that the starters were still playing late in the game. Also, the UM defense was designed to give the tackles to the backers of some of the secondary. While I didn't look, I assume UM's d-line didn't have lots of tackles.

And if you don’t believe that, just ask Dante’s mom and she’ll set you straight. She is a coach’s wife and knows her stuff. She felt Dante was shorted on more than a few games. Gotta love her!

She sounds like your prototypical helicopter parent.

 

[DuCharme]

She sounds like your prototypical helicopter parent.

You think she was the first to do that? :lol:

 

[PlayerRep]

Tackle stats have a lot of subjectivity. Especially assisted tackles. We and ISU had 502 and 482, respectively. Of all the other BSC teams that played 11 games only one had more than 268 assists and that was 324 by NAU. PSU was the low at 228.

Of our 502, 338 were at home 164 were on the road. Olson is credited with 94 assists. 64 in six home games. 30 in five road games.

Second to Olson’s 94 assists is Holland at 57, then Hauck at 54.

Perhaps true, and interesting, but flying to the ball and group tackling leads to more assists. Also, UM had so many close games that the starters were still playing late in the game. Also, the UM defense was designed to give the tackles to the backers of some of the secondary. While I didn't look, I assume UM's d-line didn't have lots of tackles.

And if you don’t believe that, just ask Dante’s mom and she’ll set you straight. She is a coach’s wife and knows her stuff. She felt Dante was shorted on more than a few games. Gotta love her!

She sounds like your prototypical helicopter parent.

So, a mom who thinks her kid might have been shorted on a few tackles is a "helicopter" parent? Either you don't know what a helicopter parent is, or you are an idiot.

 

[braves84]

Perhaps true, and interesting, but flying to the ball and group tackling leads to more assists. Also, UM had so many close games that the starters were still playing late in the game. Also, the UM defense was designed to give the tackles to the backers of some of the secondary. While I didn't look, I assume UM's d-line didn't have lots of tackles.

And if you don’t believe that, just ask Dante’s mom and she’ll set you straight. She is a coach’s wife and knows her stuff. She felt Dante was shorted on more than a few games. Gotta love her!

She sounds like your prototypical helicopter parent.

So, a mom who thinks her kid might have been shorted on a few tackles is a "helicopter" parent? Either you don't know what a helicopter parent is, or you are an idiot.

Perfect example of one. Look it up.

 

[PlayerRep]

And if you don’t believe that, just ask Dante’s mom and she’ll set you straight. She is a coach’s wife and knows her stuff. She felt Dante was shorted on more than a few games. Gotta love her!

She sounds like your prototypical helicopter parent.

So, a mom who thinks her kid might have been shorted on a few tackles is a "helicopter" parent? Either you don't know what a helicopter parent is, or you are an idiot.

Perfect example of one. Look it up.

All moms are like this.

 

[WaGriz4life]

She sounds like your prototypical helicopter parent.

So, a mom who thinks her kid might have been shorted on a few tackles is a "helicopter" parent? Either you don't know what a helicopter parent is, or you are an idiot.

Perfect example of one. Look it up.

All moms are like this.

Every one that I know

 

[getgrizzy]

Montana's list of leading tacklers last year. To PR's point, you don't see a DL on the list until Sims @ #9 with 42 tackles. All DB's and LB's:

OLSON, Dante 151
HAUCK, Robby 95
BUSS, Josh 75
MILLER, Reid 68
LEWIS, Jace 62
SANDRY, Josh 61
CALHOUN, Justin 56
ROBERTSON, G. 48
SIMS, Jesse 42
TILLEMAN, R. 40
SHAW, David 35

Similar to almost all teams LBs and safeties are usually the leading tacklers. The 2018 Big Sky DPOY played DL and had even less tackles than Sims and Tillman.

2 other EWU lineman had 47 and 45 tackles.

Cat d-linemen were 3d, 5th, 6th and 7th in tackles.

Sterk was a hybrid LB/DE and he was fourth not 3rd. Some teams rotate more players along the line and teams have differing schemes that effect how tackles end up being distributed.

Bottom line for me is Olson is a fantastic linebacker and he’d get credit for that with or without the way our stat keepers tally assisted tackles. I think there’s a bigger risk of that making our program look bad by doing it, than there is of Olson looking bad by not doing it.

The disparity between assisted tackles at home vs on the road is glaring and very hard to explain. Had the road Cal Poly game not been on the schedule it would be even more glaring. Cal Poly runs the ball on nearly every play and runs a lot of plays per game, which leads to high tackle totals.

 

[Griz#64]

I am concerned with the current mindset, that down lineman are just great big concrete blocks, that are obstacles for the offense. I understand Goal line defenses and 3rd and short versus between the twenties. Mobile defensive down linemen create a helluva lot problems for all running teams and most passing teams . even The Griz QB. I guess i am more of a advocate of hard charging pursuit oriented type. Well that said: Ya'll probably have figured out that i am just an (Old Fart Griz). This year is going to be Fun: Great Talent and Young Kids that are on a mission. Go Griz

 

[getgrizzy]

I am concerned with the current mindset, that down lineman are just great big concrete blocks, that are obstacles for the offense. I understand Goal line defenses and 3rd and short versus between the twenties. Mobile defensive down linemen create a helluva lot problems for all running teams and most passing teams . even The Griz QB. I guess i am more of a advocate of hard charging pursuit oriented type. Well that said: Ya'll probably have figured out that i am just an (Old Fart Griz). This year is going to be Fun: Great Talent and Young Kids that are on a mission. Go Griz

Totally agree. The best DT of all time was Alan Page. He weighed 230 when retired and only peaked at 245.

 

[PlayerRep]

Montana's list of leading tacklers last year. To PR's point, you don't see a DL on the list until Sims @ #9 with 42 tackles. All DB's and LB's:

OLSON, Dante 151
HAUCK, Robby 95
BUSS, Josh 75
MILLER, Reid 68
LEWIS, Jace 62
SANDRY, Josh 61
CALHOUN, Justin 56
ROBERTSON, G. 48
SIMS, Jesse 42
TILLEMAN, R. 40
SHAW, David 35

Similar to almost all teams LBs and safeties are usually the leading tacklers. The 2018 Big Sky DPOY played DL and had even less tackles than Sims and Tillman.

2 other EWU lineman had 47 and 45 tackles.

Cat d-linemen were 3d, 5th, 6th and 7th in tackles.

Sterk was a hybrid LB/DE and he was fourth not 3rd. Some teams rotate more players along the line and teams have differing schemes that effect how tackles end up being distributed.

Bottom line for me is Olson is a fantastic linebacker and he’d get credit for that with or without the way our stat keepers tally assisted tackles. I think there’s a bigger risk of that making our program look bad by doing it, than there is of Olson looking bad by not doing it.

The disparity between assisted tackles at home vs on the road is glaring and very hard to explain. Had the road Cal Poly game not been on the schedule it would be even more glaring. Cal Poly runs the ball on nearly every play and runs a lot of plays per game, which leads to high tackle totals.

Jobman was no. 3. Thus, the Cats, according to the positions on the roster, had their d-lineman at 3d, 4th, 6th and 7th in tackles. My mistake was listing one at 5th and not 4th, I believe.

Had Olson not been in on so many tackles, the stats would have been different too.

 

[getgrizzy]

Similar to almost all teams LBs and safeties are usually the leading tacklers. The 2018 Big Sky DPOY played DL and had even less tackles than Sims and Tillman.

2 other EWU lineman had 47 and 45 tackles.

Cat d-linemen were 3d, 5th, 6th and 7th in tackles.

Sterk was a hybrid LB/DE and he was fourth not 3rd. Some teams rotate more players along the line and teams have differing schemes that effect how tackles end up being distributed.

Bottom line for me is Olson is a fantastic linebacker and he’d get credit for that with or without the way our stat keepers tally assisted tackles. I think there’s a bigger risk of that making our program look bad by doing it, than there is of Olson looking bad by not doing it.

The disparity between assisted tackles at home vs on the road is glaring and very hard to explain. Had the road Cal Poly game not been on the schedule it would be even more glaring. Cal Poly runs the ball on nearly every play and runs a lot of plays per game, which leads to high tackle totals.

Jobman was no. 3. Thus, the Cats, according to the positions on the roster, had their d-lineman at 3d, 4th, 6th and 7th in tackles. My mistake was listing one at 5th and not 4th, I believe.

Had Olson not been in on so many tackles, the stats would have been different too.

Jobman is a linebacker. Sterk is a hybrid DE/LB. If you go to the BSC site and look at game participation you’ll see that. LBs and safeties are almost always the leading tacklers. You should know that based on your background. MSU’s leading pure DL tackler was DE Faanono. He was 5th. I’m sure you can find a team that had a DL listed #1 if you look hard enough. That doesn’t change the fact that most teams leading tacklers are LBs and safeties.

You can also probably find some team stats that have players getting twice as many assisted tackles at home as on the road. I doubt very many. Let me know what you find.

It’s seems like you’re dependent upon the stats to tell you if someone is good or not. I’d think someone with your background would just know by watching a few games.

Here’s a quiz: name the second best defensive player on last year’s team. I expect you to get it right on the first try, because I really think you’re an intelligent fan.

 

[PlayerRep]

2 other EWU lineman had 47 and 45 tackles.

Cat d-linemen were 3d, 5th, 6th and 7th in tackles.

Sterk was a hybrid LB/DE and he was fourth not 3rd. Some teams rotate more players along the line and teams have differing schemes that effect how tackles end up being distributed.

Bottom line for me is Olson is a fantastic linebacker and he’d get credit for that with or without the way our stat keepers tally assisted tackles. I think there’s a bigger risk of that making our program look bad by doing it, than there is of Olson looking bad by not doing it.

The disparity between assisted tackles at home vs on the road is glaring and very hard to explain. Had the road Cal Poly game not been on the schedule it would be even more glaring. Cal Poly runs the ball on nearly every play and runs a lot of plays per game, which leads to high tackle totals.

Jobman was no. 3. Thus, the Cats, according to the positions on the roster, had their d-lineman at 3d, 4th, 6th and 7th in tackles. My mistake was listing one at 5th and not 4th, I believe.

Had Olson not been in on so many tackles, the stats would have been different too.

Jobman is a linebacker. Sterk is a hybrid DE/LB. If you go to the BSC site and look at game participation you’ll see that. LBs and safeties are almost always the leading tacklers. You should know that based on your background. MSU’s leading pure DL tackler was DE Faanono. He was 5th. I’m sure you can find a team that had a DL listed #1 if you look hard enough. That doesn’t change the fact that most teams leading tacklers are LBs and safeties.

You can also probably find some team stats that have players getting twice as many assisted tackles at home as on the road. I doubt very many. Let me know what you find.

It’s seems like you’re dependent upon the stats to tell you if someone is good or not. I’d think someone with your background would just know by watching a few games.

Here’s a quiz: name the second best defensive player on last year’s team. I expect you to get it right on the first try, because I really think you’re an intelligent fan.

From 2018 Cat roster:

"DE 6'4" 211 lbs
91
Michael Jobman"

My point isn't that linebackers and safeties get more tackles; my point is that UM's d-line and scheme is set up to take on blockers and free up others for the tackle. Thus, UM's d-line don't have many tackles, and UM linebackers and safeties have even more than usual. MSU's d-line and scheme must not be set up that way. That's why the d-line has so many of them in the top 7.

Pay attention if you are going to discuss defense with me. Everyone knows that generally linebackers and safeties get more tackles. Again, that wasn't the point. You are trying to discuss a point that wasn't even in the conversation.

Also, I was never discussing who was good. Again, my point was that UM's d-line and scheme is set up to protect others. How many times do I have to say that to you?

Speaking of defense, my former teammate Barry Brink is coming through town this afternoon. I may take him to practice.

Check out the SI defensive player of the week for Dartmouth's win over Yale in 1970. Yes, Barry Brink. Also, check out the eastern standings at that time.

https://www.si.com/vault/issue/43091/49

 

[getgrizzy]

Sterk was a hybrid LB/DE and he was fourth not 3rd. Some teams rotate more players along the line and teams have differing schemes that effect how tackles end up being distributed.

Bottom line for me is Olson is a fantastic linebacker and he’d get credit for that with or without the way our stat keepers tally assisted tackles. I think there’s a bigger risk of that making our program look bad by doing it, than there is of Olson looking bad by not doing it.

The disparity between assisted tackles at home vs on the road is glaring and very hard to explain. Had the road Cal Poly game not been on the schedule it would be even more glaring. Cal Poly runs the ball on nearly every play and runs a lot of plays per game, which leads to high tackle totals.

Jobman was no. 3. Thus, the Cats, according to the positions on the roster, had their d-lineman at 3d, 4th, 6th and 7th in tackles. My mistake was listing one at 5th and not 4th, I believe.

Had Olson not been in on so many tackles, the stats would have been different too.

Jobman is a linebacker. Sterk is a hybrid DE/LB. If you go to the BSC site and look at game participation you’ll see that. LBs and safeties are almost always the leading tacklers. You should know that based on your background. MSU’s leading pure DL tackler was DE Faanono. He was 5th. I’m sure you can find a team that had a DL listed #1 if you look hard enough. That doesn’t change the fact that most teams leading tacklers are LBs and safeties.

You can also probably find some team stats that have players getting twice as many assisted tackles at home as on the road. I doubt very many. Let me know what you find.

It’s seems like you’re dependent upon the stats to tell you if someone is good or not. I’d think someone with your background would just know by watching a few games.

Here’s a quiz: name the second best defensive player on last year’s team. I expect you to get it right on the first try, because I really think you’re an intelligent fan.

From 2018 Cat roster:

"DE 6'4" 211 lbs
91
Michael Jobman"

My point isn't that linebackers and safeties get more tackles; my point is that UM's d-line and scheme is set up to take on blockers and free up others for the tackle. Thus, UM's d-line don't have many tackles, and UM linebackers and safeties have even more than usual. MSU's d-line and scheme must not be set up that way. That's why the d-line has so many of them in the top 7.

Pay attention if you are going to discuss defense with me. Everyone knows that generally linebackers and safeties get more tackles. Again, that wasn't the point. You are trying to discuss a point that wasn't even in the conversation.

Also, I was never discussing who was good. Again, my point was that UM's d-line and scheme is set up to protect others. How many times do I have to say that to you?

Speaking of defense, my former teammate Barry Brink is coming through town this afternoon. I may take him to practice.

Check out the SI defensive player of the week for Dartmouth's win over Yale in 1970. Yes, Barry Brink. Also, check out the eastern standings at that time.

https://www.si.com/vault/issue/43091/49

Jobman was at linebacker in every game he started, which was 10 games. Just look at the game participation reports.

On every team linebackers and safeties are the leading tacklers. Whether you scheme to that or not. It may enhance it, but it doesn’t change it from the DL making a majority of the tackles to the LBs and safeties making most of them. Because even if you aren’t scheming to funnel plays to your LBs and safeties, they’re still going to make more tackles than the DL.

My main reason for entering this discussion was to point out to bozono that tackle stats, especially assisted tackles have a degree of subjectivity. The main example showing that the large disparity between assisted tackles at home vs on the road.

I’m not trying to insult your intelligence, so don’t be offended, but Maybe you didn’t know this. The home team provides the stat keepers for games. We had 338 assisted tackles at home, but only 164 on the road. We only played one more home game than road games. That alone is pretty strong evidence of the subjectivity involved.

As a side note: the 338 assisted tackles in six home games were more than all but one Big Sky team for their entire regular season. By a lot in most cases.

Never heard of Barry Brink, but that’s a catchy name.