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Harsh reality on roster changes

UMGriz75 said:
grizindabox said:
UMGriz75 said:
Grizz Man said:
I watched the press conference, and it didn't occur to me to characterize it as a "fit" or "tantrum". I saw a coach who passionately cares about his players upset that the press leaked inaccurate information. The coach has a pulse.
You do understand that not everyone wears maroon colored glasses? Stiit was the source of the problem. Notably, no one misquoted Bob Stitt. They couldn't.

No, the media was the problem by reporting inaccurate information...once again biased...
This is avoidance combined with studied ignorance. Had he issued the press release, there would have been no speculation, no inaccurate reporting and no controversy. That's the bottom line. Providing information and managing it properly is now the job of every coach, administrator, etc. Grow up and enter the modern age. Like it or not, that's the reality. Treat everyone right, and weeks like this don't happen.

you continually want to blame Stitt for the inaccurate reporting and the speculation....that is not on him...it is on the irresponsible reporters that published the information.....do you think things may have went differently if they would have waited to ask Stitt the question prior to reporting.......I am not saying that Stitt would have answered differently...but the reported information sure would have....how about the media treating Stitt right and ask him the question before posting inaccuracies...
 
grizindabox said:
UMGriz75 said:
grizindabox said:
UMGriz75 said:
You do understand that not everyone wears maroon colored glasses? Stiit was the source of the problem. Notably, no one misquoted Bob Stitt. They couldn't.

No, the media was the problem by reporting inaccurate information...once again biased...
This is avoidance combined with studied ignorance. Had he issued the press release, there would have been no speculation, no inaccurate reporting and no controversy. That's the bottom line. Providing information and managing it properly is now the job of every coach, administrator, etc. Grow up and enter the modern age. Like it or not, that's the reality. Treat everyone right, and weeks like this don't happen.

you continually want to blame Stitt for the inaccurate reporting and the speculation....that is not on him...it is on the irresponsible reporters that published the information.....do you think things may have went differently if they would have waited to ask Stitt the question prior to reporting.......I am not saying that Stitt would have answered differently...but the reported information sure would have....how about the media treating Stitt right and ask him the question before posting inaccuracies...
I would bet that there is an unreturned phone call or email involved in this narrative.

Your every evasion keeps taking you back to the question: would a press release thanking the kids and wishing them well have avoided this whole thing?

The answer has to be yes. There's no question. No amount of spin changes that answer. So stop spinning.
 
UMGriz75 said:
grizindabox said:
UMGriz75 said:
grizindabox said:
No, the media was the problem by reporting inaccurate information...once again biased...
This is avoidance combined with studied ignorance. Had he issued the press release, there would have been no speculation, no inaccurate reporting and no controversy. That's the bottom line. Providing information and managing it properly is now the job of every coach, administrator, etc. Grow up and enter the modern age. Like it or not, that's the reality. Treat everyone right, and weeks like this don't happen.

you continually want to blame Stitt for the inaccurate reporting and the speculation....that is not on him...it is on the irresponsible reporters that published the information.....do you think things may have went differently if they would have waited to ask Stitt the question prior to reporting.......I am not saying that Stitt would have answered differently...but the reported information sure would have....how about the media treating Stitt right and ask him the question before posting inaccuracies...
I would bet that there is an unreturned phone call involved in this narrative.

Your every evasion keeps taking you back to the question: would a press release thanking the kids and wishing them well have avoided this whole thing?

The answer has to be yes. There's no question. No amount of spin changes that answer.

It was irresponsible journalism....that is not on Stitt and he has full right to voice his displeasure for the inaccurate reporting...it should be embarrassing to the media that reported the info.....they all wanted to be the first one to "break the news" but did not wait to verify....bad...bad...bad
 
grizindabox said:
UMGriz75 said:
grizindabox said:
UMGriz75 said:
This is avoidance combined with studied ignorance. Had he issued the press release, there would have been no speculation, no inaccurate reporting and no controversy. That's the bottom line. Providing information and managing it properly is now the job of every coach, administrator, etc. Grow up and enter the modern age. Like it or not, that's the reality. Treat everyone right, and weeks like this don't happen.

you continually want to blame Stitt for the inaccurate reporting and the speculation....that is not on him...it is on the irresponsible reporters that published the information.....do you think things may have went differently if they would have waited to ask Stitt the question prior to reporting.......I am not saying that Stitt would have answered differently...but the reported information sure would have....how about the media treating Stitt right and ask him the question before posting inaccuracies...
I would bet that there is an unreturned phone call involved in this narrative.

Your every evasion keeps taking you back to the question: would a press release thanking the kids and wishing them well have avoided this whole thing?

The answer has to be yes. There's no question. No amount of spin changes that answer.

It was irresponsible journalism....that is not on Stitt and he has full right to voice his displeasure for the inaccurate reporting...it should be embarrassing to the media that reported the info.....they all wanted to be the first one to "break the news" but did not wait to verify....bad...bad...bad

Rarely do I agree with you but......

Colter Nuanez....cough cough
 
UMGriz75 said:
PlayerRep said:
Good and interesting post, but I don't agree with much of it (i.e. on what a coach should do). I look at this from the point of view of players and coaches. 2 of my kids played sports in college, and is being recruited now. My wife's and my families also has, and have had, many relatives play college sports. Several are playing now. Also, between my wife's family and mine, I believe we have 16 current and former coaches, many of whom coached football or basketball. So, that influences my view on this. I prefer that the coach keep his mouth shut on matters that may involve my kid or my relatives. I also don't like reporters generally, except for Kyle. Oh, and some of what is you cite about is N/A, in my view.
I appreciate the background. I've been retired from active coaching, ending in administrating, the coaching which I did for college and other age athletes for 30 years, on a daily basis. The competitor pool was approximately 30,000 athletes, and I had to deal with about 2,000 coaches, at the national and international level. I've trained, oh, perhaps 5 coaches who are currently coaching with great success nationally and internationally. Over the long time, I trained approximately 20 ultimately successful coaches, and perhaps 100 or more successful athletes. The stakes are higher, the numbers are bigger, the complications much larger, and the need to do it right much more compelling because of a sophisticated overseer, the USOC, which has far more sophistication than the University of Montana exercises over its sports teams. I am today, in fact, dealing with some issues between an NGB, USOC and NCAA on athlete representation issues, and trying to get a letter out the door.

The current best practice is that the organizations can't let the athletes try and go it alone on issues of participation, termination, qualification, scholarship eligibility, and public relations. NCAA is working on this by discussing longer guaranteed scholarships, USOC is working on this with media protocols and through employing athlete ombudsmen to assist athletes.

The sport world is becoming increasingly aware that the disparity between a 50 year old college coach earning $300,000 and a 17 year old kid signing his first "contract" is far too great to abandon the kid to the vagaries of the coach, his mood, his strategies, and of course to organizational politics as the coaches themselves are changed. As one collegiate athlete complained, "when the coach's contract was terminated, he got a huge buyout. When I got cut, I had to pay my own tuition even though I had made all my plans and changes to my life to attend that school."

As an employee of the University, I will maintain that we have a duty to the young people entrusted to our care. First, "do no harm."

Cool and interesting, but your sport wasn't college football. Again N/A. College football is a much different animal. I agree that coaches and others should take care of the student-athletes generally, and, in my view, that would include not dissing them in public right after they have been told they are not going to play, should move on, or have been cut. My view is the same, whether social media exists or doesn't exist.
 
PlayerRep said:
I prefer that the coach keep his mouth shut on matters that may involve my kid or my relatives. I also don't like reporters generally, except for Kyle. Oh, and some of what is you cite about is N/A, in my view.

:thumb: :clap:
 
This may be my biggest disagreement with 75, and I'm not sure if I'm the only one who feels this way, but I'd personally see a press release so soon after the end of the season naming every player who was being cut as a much more unprofessional and insincere thing to do. That's essentially why I don't fault Stitt for the way he did it. As I've said, we don't know exactly the specifics of how these young men were told they wouldn't be with the team from here on out, and I do think he tried his best to make this just between the kids and the coaches, but obviously some parties, whether the players, their families, or someone else decided everyone should know. I really don't think you can claim Stitt had a massive PR failure based on this situation.

I'm not gonna try to convince 75 of that, because it's clear he doesn't feel that way.
 
grizindabox said:
UMGriz75 said:
grizindabox said:
UMGriz75 said:
This is avoidance combined with studied ignorance. Had he issued the press release, there would have been no speculation, no inaccurate reporting and no controversy. That's the bottom line. Providing information and managing it properly is now the job of every coach, administrator, etc. Grow up and enter the modern age. Like it or not, that's the reality. Treat everyone right, and weeks like this don't happen.

you continually want to blame Stitt for the inaccurate reporting and the speculation....that is not on him...it is on the irresponsible reporters that published the information.....do you think things may have went differently if they would have waited to ask Stitt the question prior to reporting.......I am not saying that Stitt would have answered differently...but the reported information sure would have....how about the media treating Stitt right and ask him the question before posting inaccuracies...
I would bet that there is an unreturned phone call involved in this narrative.

Your every evasion keeps taking you back to the question: would a press release thanking the kids and wishing them well have avoided this whole thing?

The answer has to be yes. There's no question. No amount of spin changes that answer.

It was irresponsible journalism....that is not on Stitt and he has full right to voice his displeasure for the inaccurate reporting...it should be embarrassing to the media that reported the info.....they all wanted to be the first one to "break the news" but did not wait to verify....bad...bad...bad
Agreed 100%. And he had every right to get pissed about that.
 
Actually both Colter and coach Stitt should have handled this situation better. Colter clearly jumped the gun in terms of naming names. Has he published some sort of error correction?

Mr. Stitt should have said something like "Some players will be leaving our team, we appreciate their contribution and wish them the best". There is no big secret that players were cut, they tweeted it. Instead he said something about not coasting for 5 years, which didn't reflect well on anybody.

I think outplacement is an undervalued skill for college coaches. If it's done right, everybody wins.
 
UMGriz75 said:
PlayerRep said:
Good and interesting post, but I don't agree with much of it (i.e. on what a coach should do). I look at this from the point of view of players and coaches. 2 of my kids played sports in college, and is being recruited now. My wife's and my families also has, and have had, many relatives play college sports. Several are playing now. Also, between my wife's family and mine, I believe we have 16 current and former coaches, many of whom coached football or basketball. So, that influences my view on this. I prefer that the coach keep his mouth shut on matters that may involve my kid or my relatives. I also don't like reporters generally, except for Kyle. Oh, and some of what is you cite about is N/A, in my view.
I appreciate the background. I've been retired from active coaching, ending in administrating, the coaching which I did for college and other age athletes for 30 years, on a daily basis. The competitor pool was approximately 30,000 athletes, and I had to deal with about 2,000 coaches, at the national and international level. I've trained, oh, perhaps 5 coaches who are currently coaching with great success nationally and internationally. Over the long time, I trained approximately 20 ultimately successful coaches, and perhaps 100 or more successful athletes. The stakes are higher, the numbers are bigger, the complications much larger, and the need to do it right much more compelling because of a sophisticated overseer, the USOC, which has far more sophistication than the University of Montana exercises over its sports teams. I am today, in fact, dealing with some issues between an NGB, USOC and NCAA on athlete representation issues, and trying to get a letter out the door.

The current best practice is that the organizations can't let the athletes try and go it alone on issues of participation, termination, qualification, scholarship eligibility, and public relations. NCAA is working on this by discussing longer guaranteed scholarships, USOC is working on this with media protocols and through employing athlete ombudsmen to assist athletes.

The sport world is becoming increasingly aware that the disparity between a 50 year old college coach earning $300,000 and a 17 year old kid signing his first "contract" is far too great to abandon the kid to the vagaries of the coach, his mood, his strategies, and of course to organizational politics as the coaches themselves are changed. As one collegiate athlete complained, "when the coach's contract was terminated, he got a huge buyout. When I got cut, I had to pay my own tuition even though I had made all my plans and changes to my life to attend that school."

As an employee of the University, I will maintain that we have a duty to the young people entrusted to our care. First, "do no harm."

You keep saying "athlete" when I think you mean "mathlete" and I'm pretty sure that the USOC isn't the governing body for debate teams! :P :P :P
 
UMGriz75 said:
havgrizfan said:
So again, I ask, what are you doing to be pro-active? Contact Haslem? Local media outlets, Engstrom, what?
Well, "proactive" is the job of the people ... with the job. You might have missed that little detail. You do know what the definition of "proactive" is, don't you? It is solving the problem before it starts, not pointing it out afterwards. This may be part of the problem you have understanding this. You don't even understand the problem.

75 isn't "people"! :P :P :P
 
MsMaroon said:
One of my favorite words is pontificate . . . to talk in a dogmatic and pompous manner. To pontificate properly, you need to be a know-it-all with very strong opinions and the urge to share them.

http://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/pontificate

I doubt whether even I, with all of my powers, can kill this thread. ;)

You said it sister! No, you aren't strong enough to take on 75; I'm pretty sure he's an immortal...he's been coaching debate clubs and mathletes for at least 300 years! :P :P :P
 
I shot this thread many times but it seems to be like a cat having 9 lives. A slow death but in the end it does die.
 
Umista said:
I shot this thread many times but it seems to be like a cat having 9 lives. A slow death but in the end it does die.

I believe MsMaroon can do it. I'm disappointed she doesn't have faith in herself.
 
MsMaroon said:
MsMaroon said:
One of my favorite words is pontificate . . . to talk in a dogmatic and pompous manner. To pontificate properly, you need to be a know-it-all with very strong opinions and the urge to share them.

http://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/pontificate

I doubt whether even I, with all of my powers, can kill this thread. ;)

:die:


It's a little like sharing a jail cell with Foghorn Leghorn...
 
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