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Harsh reality on roster changes

UMGriz75 said:
HelenaHandBasket said:
UMGriz75 said:
On the other hand, we cut 15 players after spring camp. Nobody seemed to concerned about "harsh realities" then. Is cutting two now, pretending you didn't at an angry press conference, then announcing that there will be more later "something new?"
What were you watching? Stitt did not pretend that he did not cut any players. I also believe that your reaction to how future recruits, parents, and coaches will react is completely overblown.
At approximately minute 8 in the press conference, when asked about cuts, he said "I have no comment on the roster. The roster will be set at spring ball."

Just not true.

Two cut players did have public comment, and that wasn't by any way of deleted tweets.

Funny, I don't see anything that could be called "pretending". He had no comment and noted that the roster will be set at Spring Ball, which would make me think changes are possible between now and then. Keep twisting to meet your agenda.
 
grizindabox said:
griz5700 said:
grizatwork said:
griz5700 said:
The loss at NDSU was as much the coaches fault as it was the talent of the players.

Stitt was not prepared in the slightest for the defensive looks NDSU gave and he wasn't able to make any in game adjustments. The NDSU DC just worked Stitt over.

Can he handle being a D1 head coach (driving 4K miles around MT) as well as lead this offense? After watching the last press conference, I'm thinking he's in way over his head.

You can't make chicken salad with chicken sh!t. Didn't matter what he did. Their roster is better top to bottom than everyone's in FCS.

Bullsh*t.

If that was the case they would have kicked our ass in August.

I guess Weber, Liberty, and Cal-Poly are as talented as NDSU also.......because it isn't possible for a team to play poorly and lose to a team with less talent.....can't happen.....

Right.... Lets just spin and talk about a bunch of what ifs rather than the teams who played each other twice in '15.

Anyway, you could say NDSU was a less talented team in December than September without their NFL soon-to-be-drafted QB. They're very talented, no doubt. But that's not why the Griz got their shit rocked on Saturday.
 
grizatwork said:
griz5700 said:
The loss at NDSU was as much the coaches fault as it was the talent of the players.

Stitt was not prepared in the slightest for the defensive looks NDSU gave and he wasn't able to make any in game adjustments. The NDSU DC just worked Stitt over.

Can he handle being a D1 head coach (driving 4K miles around MT) as well as lead this offense? After watching the last press conference, I'm thinking he's in way over his head.

You can't make chicken salad with chicken sh!t. Didn't matter what he did. Their roster is better top to bottom than everyone's in FCS.
I don't blame Stitt for making the roster changes he needs to make to get better, and I don't think anyone thought there was enough talent top to bottom to win a championship. But there was enough talent to get to at least a quarterfinal game. This team was so close to going 9-2, which would have earned a seed an another home game.

I appreciate Stitt going out and trying to improve the talent, but the coaching staff has to get better as well. After nearly every game the other team would say the Griz didn't do anything they didn't expect, while Griz players would consistently say the other team showed them looks they weren't expecting. NDSU knew when the ball was going to be snapped. Liberty said they knew when the ball was going to Jones. It was a trend that happened all year, and the Griz didn't have enough talent to overcome it enough times. After going through a BSC season I'm sure Stitt will be better prepared next year.
 
HelenaHandBasket said:
Funny, I don't see anything that could be called "pretending". He had no comment and noted that the roster will be set at Spring Ball, which would make me think changes are possible between now and then. Keep twisting to meet your agenda.
The cuts were not "between now and then" just to orient you; they were prior to the press conference. He refused to answer a direct question on the point, and instead stated that the roster would be "set" at a later date. Well, that's just not true. He had already changed the roster. For two young men, the roster was "set" Monday. Perhaps you enjoy the artful evasion of politicians, or the twisting that you do constantly on these threads and so admire that performance.

But the fact is when given the opportunity to clarify what he had already done to the roster, he claimed the roster would be set later. It was a direct question, he had already done it, and he just wasn't going to give anybody the satisfaction of a direct answer to a direct question about a question of immediate interest to the football community that pays his salary. It's called honesty and accountability.

Well, he may have the keys, but it's not his Cadillac. He needs to ditch the attitude.
 
griz5700 said:
grizindabox said:
griz5700 said:
grizatwork said:
You can't make chicken salad with chicken sh!t. Didn't matter what he did. Their roster is better top to bottom than everyone's in FCS.

Bullsh*t.

If that was the case they would have kicked our ass in August.

I guess Weber, Liberty, and Cal-Poly are as talented as NDSU also.......because it isn't possible for a team to play poorly and lose to a team with less talent.....can't happen.....

Right.... Lets just spin and talk about a bunch of what ifs rather than the teams who played each other twice in '15.

Anyway, you could say NDSU was a less talented team in December than September without their NFL soon-to-be-drafted QB. They're very talented, no doubt. But that's not why the Griz got their shit rocked on Saturday.

NDSU won because they do have better overall talent....they had much better execution....and because they did not make adjustments early to help the run game making them 1 dimensional.....but the lack of talent on the OL was a huge factor.....5 OL should be able to run against 5 defenders....they got their asses whooped...
 
UMGriz75 said:
HelenaHandBasket said:
Funny, I don't see anything that could be called "pretending". He had no comment and noted that the roster will be set at Spring Ball, which would make me think changes are possible between now and then. Keep twisting to meet your agenda.
The cuts were not "between now and then" just to orient you; they were prior to the press conference. He refused to answer a direct question on the point, and instead stated that the roster would be "set" at a later date. Well, that's just not true. He had already changed the roster. For two young men, the roster was "set" Monday. Perhaps you enjoy the artful evasion of politicians, or the twisting that you do constantly on these threads and so admire that performance.

But the fact is when given the opportunity to clarify what he had already done to the roster, he claimed the roster would be set later. It was a direct question, he had already done it, and he just wasn't going to give anybody the satisfaction of a direct answer to a direct question about a question of immediate interest to the football community that pays his salary. It's called honesty and accountability.

Well, he may have the keys, but it's not his Cadillac. He needs to ditch the attitude.

Maybe "between now and then" was incorrect, but between the end of the season and spring ball things could change and that they would have an official roster then. As for the question, he said "no comment", he did not pretend. He never said anything denying that changes have been made. As for artful evasion of politicians, Stitt is not a politician, he is a football coach making changes and is not at a point that he wants to comment. There is nothing inherently dishonest are lacking in accountability by him not commenting. You are so full of shit. You are not immediately entitled to any of the information you are accusing Stitt of hiding and being dishonest about.
 
grizindabox said:
griz5700 said:
grizindabox said:
griz5700 said:
Bullsh*t.

If that was the case they would have kicked our ass in August.

I guess Weber, Liberty, and Cal-Poly are as talented as NDSU also.......because it isn't possible for a team to play poorly and lose to a team with less talent.....can't happen.....

Right.... Lets just spin and talk about a bunch of what ifs rather than the teams who played each other twice in '15.

Anyway, you could say NDSU was a less talented team in December than September without their NFL soon-to-be-drafted QB. They're very talented, no doubt. But that's not why the Griz got their shit rocked on Saturday.

NDSU won because they do have better overall talent....they had much better execution....and because they did not make adjustments early to help the run game making them 1 dimensional.....but the lack of talent on the OL was a huge factor.....5 OL should be able to run against 5 defenders....they got their asses whooped...

I disagree. NDSU defense knew the presnap reads and figured out the silent snap count strategy right away. The Griz o-line has improved a lot from September. They were going against the same D-line they faced in August. Maybe NDSU is just that much better at developing talent than the Griz are. Stitt had a terrible game plan offensively. That's why the Griz looked confused and slow. Hard to display talent and speed when no one knows what the hell to do.
 
griz5700 said:
grizindabox said:
griz5700 said:
grizindabox said:
I guess Weber, Liberty, and Cal-Poly are as talented as NDSU also.......because it isn't possible for a team to play poorly and lose to a team with less talent.....can't happen.....

Right.... Lets just spin and talk about a bunch of what ifs rather than the teams who played each other twice in '15.

Anyway, you could say NDSU was a less talented team in December than September without their NFL soon-to-be-drafted QB. They're very talented, no doubt. But that's not why the Griz got their shit rocked on Saturday.

NDSU won because they do have better overall talent....they had much better execution....and because they did not make adjustments early to help the run game making them 1 dimensional.....but the lack of talent on the OL was a huge factor.....5 OL should be able to run against 5 defenders....they got their asses whooped...

I disagree. NDSU defense knew the presnap reads and figured out the silent snap count strategy right away. The Griz o-line has improved a lot from September. They were going against the same D-line they faced in August. Maybe NDSU is just that much at developing talent than the Griz are. Stitt had a terrible game plan offensively. That's why the Griz looked confused and slow. Hard to display talent and speed when no one knows what the hell to do.

We are just going to agree to disagree on the Griz overall talent level. Outside of the first NDSU game, the Griz OL struggled against good defensive teams.
 
I like Stitt, but he should be fired if no NC in 5 years. That's the harsh reality of it. It's called top down leadership! Jus sayin!
 
granitegriz said:
I like Stitt, but he should be fired if no NC in 5 years. That's the harsh reality of it. It's called top down leadership! Jus sayin!

You are going to fire a lot of coaches.....Bobby would have been one of them with that goal to meet.
 
grizindabox said:
We are just going to agree to disagree on the Griz overall talent level. Outside of the first NDSU game, the Griz OL struggled against good defensive teams.

No, I think the talent level on this team needs to improve.... In a major way.

But with Stitt's game plan, they had zero chance of winning in Fargo. If it was a talent issue, NDSU would have rolled UM in August.
 
Funny. We are back to where we were after Weber game. No talent. Wait until Stitt gets his guys. Then the no talent team whipped ewu and the cats. Everyone is stoked. No mention of lack of talent. Apparently are team lost its talent at halftime of sdsu game. Just like the third quarter of cat game.
 
You guys best EWU and the Cats but they had zero defense. Those were not big wins when you look at those defenses.
 
Glendivegriz said:
Funny. We are back to where we were after Weber game. No talent. Wait until Stitt gets his guys. Then the no talent team whipped ewu and the cats. Everyone is stoked. No mention of lack of talent. Apparently are team lost its talent at halftime of sdsu game. Just like the third quarter of cat game.

Where did anyone say "No Talent"......
 
I actually think the Griz were pretty talented individually. There wasn't a single defensive player in the FCS better than Holmes, with all due respect to James Cowser. KVA was the best OLB in the conference this season and it wasn't close. Jamaal Jones was the second-best receiver in the Big Sky, maybe in the FCS and Roberts and Hendu are both beasts. And the list goes on. However, two glaring flaws were where individual talent doesn't make nearly as much of a difference as collective talent. And that's on the offensive line, and the interior of the defensive line. Both have been discussed to death, but that's where the Griz lacked what I would call collective talent, and it was a glaring weakness against really good football teams late in the season. PSU, SDSU and NDSU. IMHO, you take even the 2011 or 2012 offensive line and put them on this football team and Montana scores 40 points per game and John Nyguen, yes, I said John Nyguen is easily a 1,000-yard rusher. On the other side, you put Tonga or Bienneman on the 2015 defense and the Griz are Top 10 in total defense in the FCS. The other thing I think is a concern is the gaps in talent in the depth chart this season. Stitt talked a bit about that in the presser yesterday. We all saw what happened when one of the guns went down, QB, Center, OLB, RB, I think the talent level dropped pretty seriously. So, in essence, you can say the entire 90-man roster isn't talented enough. That I can agree with. But, I don't agree that the Griz didn't have talent all together. At several positions, they had some of the best players in the conference, if not the country.
 
Roster changes are needed. I was very high on Stitt but after watching every game I was disappointed about the lack of a quick hit short passing game. I thought Stitt's offense was built around that. I saw no creativity, no polish or consistency. So far I rate Stitt far far behind Read, Pflugrad and Glenn. I have hope but not optimisim. You either have it or not and if you don't you don't get it.
 
BillingsMafia said:
Roster changes are needed. I was very high on Stitt but after watching every game I was disappointed about the lack of a quick hit short passing game. I thought Stitt's offense was built around that. I saw no creativity, no polish or consistency. So far I rate Stitt far far behind Read, Pflugrad and Glenn. I have hope but not optimisim. You either have it or not and if you don't you don't get it.
Pflugrad's first year, he got roasted on here. Glenn's first game, roasted. If egriz would've been around for a few of Read's learning experiences, he would've been slammed as well.

Give it time...He's a good one.
 
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