Griz win cuz of early BS call on NAU QB

[PlayerRep]

That's what I was thinking. The hit on Buss was 3 times worse and more blatant than the 2 against the Griz last week.

The problem is that the call is highly subjective and plays into the biases of the refs. It’s also possible that there was a finding by the league that said that the hit on Buss should have been called. If that’s the case then the call against Cookus today makes a whole lot more sense. For the record, I think Buss got shafted last week and the call was correct today.

With replay, I don't think the call is subjective. A hit with the crown of the helmet, or a hit above the shoulders, is targeting. Hard to see at times in real time, but much easier upon video review.

It has to be. How else can you explain the no-call against Buss last week? With video replay, helmet to helmet contact (including initiating contact with the helmet) was ignored in Buss’ case. If the roles had been reversed, there would have been a call like there was against Alexander and Schye. Sucks to say but those were correct calls. The one on Buss wasn’t. However, today the one against Cookus was called. I think somewhere there was a meeting and more guidance on the rule was issued.

I think the hit against Buss was just a blown call, by the review guy. I agree with you that all 3 of them were and should have been targeting under the rules. I saw the replay on the screen for the Cookus call, but haven't seen other video that I could watch over and over. I can't imagine that the replay guy blew the call, given that it was the QB and he spent a lot of time looking. Unless it was the same guy as the one that blew the Buss call. Ha.

 

[Stop_HammerTime69]

Griz have had plenty of shitty calls against them over the years.

But you know what? Refs are people, too.

They make mistakes, and that is absolutely a part of the game until we figure out a way to automate the job, which will take a lot longer than some eGrizzers have left to live. That is something that has to be coached around, and it is part of coaching to ensure that teams do not fall into a position where they lose because of a shitty call.

So don't give me this bullshit.

Can you please stop with the ridiculous posts? I know you are a young rookie, but you need to either stop or change your posting name and start over. I'm sorry, but I think you are a dummie.

What kind of dumbass are you? You might be old, but that doesn’t make you smart.

You’ll die of a heart attack giving a player a hand job for a “locker room scoop” to post here before I take your dumb ass seriously.

 

[PlayerRep]

Griz have had plenty of shitty calls against them over the years.

But you know what? Refs are people, too.

They make mistakes, and that is absolutely a part of the game until we figure out a way to automate the job, which will take a lot longer than some eGrizzers have left to live. That is something that has to be coached around, and it is part of coaching to ensure that teams do not fall into a position where they lose because of a shitty call.

So don't give me this bullshit.

Can you please stop with the ridiculous posts? I know you are a young rookie, but you need to either stop or change your posting name and start over. I'm sorry, but I think you are a dummie.

What kind of dumbass are you? You might be old, but that doesn’t make you smart.

You’ll die of a heart attack giving a player a hand job for a “locker room scoop” to post here before I take your dumb ass seriously.

Like I said, you are a total idiot. Your last post is just one more bit of proof. Assume almost everyone on egriz knows by now that you don't have a clue and no one will take anything you say seriously.

 

[Stop_HammerTime69]

Griz have had plenty of shitty calls against them over the years.

But you know what? Refs are people, too.

They make mistakes, and that is absolutely a part of the game until we figure out a way to automate the job, which will take a lot longer than some eGrizzers have left to live. That is something that has to be coached around, and it is part of coaching to ensure that teams do not fall into a position where they lose because of a shitty call.

So don't give me this bullshit.

Can you please stop with the ridiculous posts? I know you are a young rookie, but you need to either stop or change your posting name and start over. I'm sorry, but I think you are a dummie.

What kind of dumbass are you? You might be old, but that doesn’t make you smart.

You’ll die of a heart attack giving a player a hand job for a “locker room scoop” to post here before I take your dumb ass seriously.

Like I said, you are a total idiot. Your last post is just one more bit of proof. Assume almost everyone on egriz knows by now that you don't have a clue and no one will take anything you say seriously.

See, here’s the thing. I don’t actually have any respect for what you say. You’re so full of shit and you’ve been wrong in every post (give or take a couple) since I’ve been here.

I know you like being treated like top dog, but I don’t care. There’s enough bullshit spewers out there we don’t need another like you.

 

[PlayerRep]

Can you please stop with the ridiculous posts? I know you are a young rookie, but you need to either stop or change your posting name and start over. I'm sorry, but I think you are a dummie.

What kind of dumbass are you? You might be old, but that doesn’t make you smart.

You’ll die of a heart attack giving a player a hand job for a “locker room scoop” to post here before I take your dumb ass seriously.

Like I said, you are a total idiot. Your last post is just one more bit of proof. Assume almost everyone on egriz knows by now that you don't have a clue and no one will take anything you say seriously.

See, here’s the thing. I don’t actually have any respect for what you say. You’re so full of shit and you’ve been wrong in every post (give or take a couple) since I’ve been here.

I know you like being treated like top dog, but I don’t care. There’s enough bullshit spewers out there we don’t need another like you.

Again, you are a football idiot. And, I have been right on almost every post I've made since you've been here, especially my assessment of you.

 

[fltheadgriz]

The refs in all conferences are being forced to call targeting much more this year than in previous years. The call was much more targeting than the one in the Ohio State/Iowa game.
If I was Sauers I would be ticked at my QB for doing that because he could of gotten himself a concussion and would have been out for next week's game as well.

 

[mtgrizzly]

https://www.facebook.com/GrizDen/videos/871179949725387/

 

[MrMischief]

NAU's twitter account thought it was a good block as well

https://twitter.com/NAU_Football/status/926954488019042305

I'm not a big fan of the targeting call as the ejections seem to be out of hand, but it is the rule and it is there to protect players. This rule isn't going away, it will probably become even more strictly enforced. So poor form from NAU's twitter feed for praising this kind of block.

 

[mtgrizzly]

Here is the full video of it.

http://screengrabber.deadspin.com/watch-a-quarterback-get-ejected-for-targeting-1820150915

 

[AZGrizFan]

NAU's twitter account thought it was a good block as well

https://twitter.com/NAU_Football/status/926954488019042305

I'm not a big fan of the targeting call as the ejections seem to be out of hand, but it is the rule and it is there to protect players. This rule isn't going away, it will probably become even more strictly enforced. So poor form from NAU's twitter feed for praising this kind of block.

Loll...shocking that NAU's twitter account disagreed with the call. I'm shocked, I tell ya.

 

[AZDoc]

It was the correct call, period. Now, as a football fan, was it a good call, no. It was an excellent block that got his player an additional yard and a half. If you look at the rule, he may have led with his shoulder, but the initial hit was helmet to helmet. He even, from the back view, slightly launched, trying to make a killer hit on an LB. NAU is sore, much like we were when the one on Buss was missed.
This doesn’t get to the root...stupid play for a QB to even try to make. His emotions of the game got the best of him. Banks was grabbing the runner and just a good shove there would’ve been good enough to knock him off most likely. Still would have ran for that extra...YARD AND A HALF!

 

[Filthy McGrizzly]

Exactly,he could have extended his arms and the runner would have gotten the extra one and a half yards. Dumb move.

 

[Da Boyz Mom]

If the rule is leading with the crown of the helmet I still fail to see how this was targeting. Yes there was helmet to helmet contact but Cookus turned his head and only the side of his helmet made contact at almost the same time that his shoulder hit. That is why I originally said the call was iffy. If ANY helmet to helmet contact is targeting, then so be it but my understanding was that it had to be the crown of the helmet. Just asking a rational question here... Please no name calling or telling me I know nothing because I never played the game.

 

[AZDoc]

If the rule is leading with the crown of the helmet I still fail to see how this was targeting. Yes there was helmet to helmet contact but Cookus turned his head and only the side of his helmet made contact at almost the same time that his shoulder hit. That is why I originally said the call was iffy. If ANY helmet to helmet contact is targeting, then so be it but my understanding was that it had to be the crown of the helmet. Just asking a rational question here... Please no name calling or telling me I know nothing because I never played the game.

That’s not the rule...the rule is forcefull contact above the shoulder pads OR leading with the crown of the helmet OR launching to make contact. This is why it’s difficult, because the rule s a bit vague and leads to interpretation. One thing that is NOT part of the rule is intent. Which, again, he certainly didn’t MEAN to target. He just wanted a sports center hit. Unfortunately, by definition, he DID target...thus ending up on deadspin instead.

https://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2016/9/7/12829482/targeting-penalty-rulebook-ncaa-football

 

[i_the_sky]

The Grizzlies are playing without their #1 and #2 QB and I DON'T HEAR THEM WHINING! Case had a big error in judgement and paid for it! Nobody wanted NAU to have that happen! I am a Griz but also a huge Jerome Sourers fan.. No one wanted him to come in here his last time and be less than 100%. Crap like this happens! It's football... I watched the replay multiple times and they got it right!

 

[whitefishbear]

Football is a contact sport, and concussions will always be a problem with all contact sports. These targeting calls are getting out of hand, and are effecting the outcomes of too many big games. I don't know what the answer is, but if things keep going the way they are now, we might as well just play flag football.

 

[grizindabox]

Football is a contact sport, and concussions will always be a problem with all contact sports. These targeting calls are getting out of hand, and are effecting the outcomes of too many big games. I don't know what the answer is, but if things keep going the way they are now, we might as well just play flag football.

......don't all penalties.....have an effect.....on game outcomes......

 

[whitefishbear]

Football is a contact sport, and concussions will always be a problem with all contact sports. These targeting calls are getting out of hand, and are effecting the outcomes of too many big games. I don't know what the answer is, but if things keep going the way they are now, we might as well just play flag football.

......don't all penalties.....have an effect.....on game outcomes......

You mean like losing Joey Bosa, one of the best DLs in the country, or Case Cookus, the best FCS QB in the country? No.

Which brings up another question. Am I hallucinating, or didn't Tucker Scheye get tossed from the Weber game for targeting? If so, why was he playing in the first half against NAU? It is my understanding that a targeting penalty gets you removed from that game, plus the first half of the next game. What am I missing here?

 

[grizindabox]

Football is a contact sport, and concussions will always be a problem with all contact sports. These targeting calls are getting out of hand, and are effecting the outcomes of too many big games. I don't know what the answer is, but if things keep going the way they are now, we might as well just play flag football.

......don't all penalties.....have an effect.....on game outcomes......

You mean like losing Joey Bosa, one of the best DLs in the country, or Case Cookus, the best FCS QB in the country? No.

Which brings up another question. Am I hallucinating, or didn't Tucker Scheye get tossed from the Weber game for targeting? If so, why was he playing in the first half against NAU? It is my understanding that a targeting penalty gets you removed from that game, plus the first half of the next game. What am I missing here?

....he did....but it was first half....so he only missed.....the next half.....if you are booted.....in the second half.....you miss the.....first half of....the next game......and embrace the.....targeting penalty....it is here....to stay....

 

[PoppaBear56]

Whitefish I'm not certain everything you're missing but if a player is ejected during the first half they return to play at the start of the next game. If the ejection occurs in the second half they will miss the first half of the next game as well. Cookus aka Dumas will be able to play at the start of next weeks game.