Griz vs. NAU

[grizzlyjournal]

Gonna be a lot of ugly wins like this one, boys....better buckle up! Lol

:lol: I'll take an ugly win any day... but this team is also showing some finesse with their floor play, as Uncle Rico noted. D J and Kyle are starting to show that they can battle in the paint with anyone.

 

[AllWeatherFan]

Solid. First step in a long journey for many of these kids. They will learn a lot from Sayeed.

I will have reasonable expectations all year, but I won't be surprised if we beat some of the better BSC teams, either. #BSC

 

[grizzlyjournal]

Gonna be a lot of ugly wins like this one, boys....better buckle up! Lol

:lol: I'll take an ugly win any day... but this team is also showing some finesse with their floor play, as Uncle Rico noted. Derrick and Kyle are starting to show that they can battle in the paint with anyone. And 37 minutes on the floor by Josh Vazquez, a young point guard who'll add a couple of general's stars before the season is over.

 

['68griz]

We know Sayers is a beast every night. I thought D C-H had some monster rebounds at crucial times. He fought hard inside. Vasquez has incredible hands. Manuel was clutch at the line when it counted. Bigger crowd than I expected. Student section is quieter than a nursing home!

The student section is quiet because they're all gone on Christmas break.

 

[Fathergriz]

We know Sayers is a beast every night. I thought D C-H had some monster rebounds at crucial times. He fought hard inside. Vasquez has incredible hands. Manuel was clutch at the line when it counted. Bigger crowd than I expected. Student section is quieter than a nursing home!

The student section is quiet because they're all gone on Christmas break.

And during the break they use the student section as GA.

 

[Hoops watcher]

Solid. First step in a long journey for many of these kids. They will learn a lot from Sayeed.

I will have reasonable expectations all year, but I won't be surprised if we beat some of the better BSC teams, either. #BSC

Yep.The Griz were the hunted last year and we expected a W every conference contest, not so much this year. Watching them develop will be a fun ride. As will seeing a singular talent like Mr. Pridgett do his thing and produce a historic season.

 

[EverettGriz]

Escaped The Schick and attended a party tonight so couldn’t watch, but peeked at the score at half and immediately began drinking even more heavily than normal while on a “leave weekend”.

Was extremely pleased to see the second half rally. I should know better than to worry about a first half deficit from a TDC-coached team. Seriously? Have we ever had a coach who makes better half time adjustments?

 

[Hoops watcher]

Escaped The Schick and attended a party tonight so couldn’t watch, but peeked at the score at half and immediately began drinking even more heavily than normal while on a “leave weekend”.

Was extremely pleased to see the second half rally. I should know better than to worry about a first half deficit from a TDC-coached team. Seriously? Have we ever had a coach who makes better half time adjustments?

As I mentioned earlier he spoke at length in the post game radio segment about that exact subject. You can really get a sense how he's matured into a student of the game at those times, how he has a sense of what he needs the players to do for team and individual success. He was pretty demonstrative and one could even say over dramatic with officials the first couple years, he seems like a pretty intense guy but has really focused the fire. For a 2 or 3 minute interview minutes after the game was over it was really impressive and analytical. We should enjoy having him here while we can.

 

[Griz1]

Good:
-Sayeed continuing his domination. Dude will not be denied.
-Sayeed's posterizing Tomahawk was beautiful.
-Timmy in the positive Turnover/Assist Ration tonight
-Samuelson providing some good minutes in the Post and showing some real nice moves. (Showed exactly what we had seen his freshman year. Really wish he had stayed for his entire career...)
-Kendall finding the bottom of the net again.

Bad:
-Slow starts and early turnovers
-NAU Player rolling his ankle near the end of the game. Looked painful!

Ugly:

Dunno, Fisty, maybe?

I would say the ugly was Sayeed from the free throw line. He was 5 of 11. His field goal percentage was higher than his free throw percentage. I know he is an outstanding player and so far this season he has shot 66.7% from the line, but IMO he has to pick this up. Teams are going to foul him as that is their only hope of slowing him down. We need him to convert those throws.

I would also say the ugly was Manuel's 4 turnovers. Basically they were unforced.

A highlight that I would also note was that Sayeed only had 1 turnover and he leads the team in turnovers for the year. As much as he handles the ball 1 turnover is excellent.

Some other highlights I would mention was Vasquez having 5 assists and 1 turnover in 37 minutes is excellent for a freshman point guard, Owens having 7 rebounds (3 on the offensive glass) in 17 minutes and Carter-Hollinger having 7 rebounds (2 on the offensive glass). What a recruiting coup these players were. They are growing up slowly but surely.

 

[BelierPeaux]

Good:
-Sayeed continuing his domination. Dude will not be denied.
-Sayeed's posterizing Tomahawk was beautiful.
-Timmy in the positive Turnover/Assist Ration tonight
-Samuelson providing some good minutes in the Post and showing some real nice moves. (Showed exactly what we had seen his freshman year. Really wish he had stayed for his entire career...)
-Kendall finding the bottom of the net again.

Bad:
-Slow starts and early turnovers
-NAU Player rolling his ankle near the end of the game. Looked painful!

Ugly:

Dunno, Fisty, maybe?

I would say the ugly was Sayeed from the free throw line. He was 5 of 11. His field goal percentage was higher than his free throw percentage. I know he is an outstanding player and so far this season he has shot 66.7% from the line, but IMO he has to pick this up. Teams are going to foul him as that is their only hope of slowing him down. We need him to convert those throws.

I would also say the ugly was Manuel's 4 turnovers. Basically they were unforced.

A highlight that I would also note was that Sayeed only had 1 turnover and he leads the team in turnovers for the year. As much as he handles the ball 1 turnover is excellent.

Some other highlights I would mention was Vasquez having 5 assists and 1 turnover in 37 minutes is excellent for a freshman point guard, Owens having 7 rebounds (3 on the offensive glass) in 17 minutes and Carter-Hollinger having 7 rebounds (2 on the offensive glass). What a recruiting coup these players were. They are growing up slowly but surely.

Yes, thanks for the uglies. I was thinking that during the game. Overall, outside of two or so of our players, free throws are a huge problem with our team. If we hit at a high percentage, we would have beat Omaha before the overtime debacle even happened. I made the same comment to my wife in regards to Sayeed. He is money from mid-range unless no one is guarding him at the FT line.

 

[fanofzoo]

Good:
-Sayeed continuing his domination. Dude will not be denied.
-Sayeed's posterizing Tomahawk was beautiful.
-Timmy in the positive Turnover/Assist Ration tonight
-Samuelson providing some good minutes in the Post and showing some real nice moves. (Showed exactly what we had seen his freshman year. Really wish he had stayed for his entire career...)
-Kendall finding the bottom of the net again.

Bad:
-Slow starts and early turnovers
-NAU Player rolling his ankle near the end of the game. Looked painful!

Ugly:

Dunno, Fisty, maybe?

I would say the ugly was Sayeed from the free throw line. He was 5 of 11. His field goal percentage was higher than his free throw percentage. I know he is an outstanding player and so far this season he has shot 66.7% from the line, but IMO he has to pick this up. Teams are going to foul him as that is their only hope of slowing him down. We need him to convert those throws.

I would also say the ugly was Manuel's 4 turnovers. Basically they were unforced.

A highlight that I would also note was that Sayeed only had 1 turnover and he leads the team in turnovers for the year. As much as he handles the ball 1 turnover is excellent.

Some other highlights I would mention was Vasquez having 5 assists and 1 turnover in 37 minutes is excellent for a freshman point guard, Owens having 7 rebounds (3 on the offensive glass) in 17 minutes and Carter-Hollinger having 7 rebounds (2 on the offensive glass). What a recruiting coup these players were. They are growing up slowly but surely.

Yes, thanks for the uglies. I was thinking that during the game. Overall, outside of two or so of our players, free throws are a huge problem with our team. If we hit at a high percentage, we would have beat Omaha before the overtime debacle even happened. I made the same comment to my wife in regards to Sayeed. He is money from mid-range unless no one is guarding him at the FT line.

Women know. My wife comments that he shoots light out if he is moving but the free throw line is a different world.

 

[IdaGriz01]

... shoots light out if he is moving but the free throw line is a different world.

When a player is really, really bad at making free throws, I've often wondered why they don't just put up a jumper.

Uncontested, but more loosey-goosey, he/she might do better. As I understand the FT rules, the only relevant restrictions are (1) they must keep their toes behind foul line until the ball hits the rim or backboard and (2) they cannot leave the semicircle behind the line once the ref has handed them the ball. (They have 10 sec to shoot, BTW, although I'm not sure the refs always enforce that.)

I've never tried it, but it seems to me there would be room to step back just a bit, then go up for a straight-up jumper where you come down still behind the foul line. Honestly, as bad as some guys look, this might work better ... and I see nothing in the rules that would forbid it.
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[Proud Griz Man]

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGjZGS27O2w

 

[Proud Griz Man]

Flagstaff Newspaper coverage of this game

The Northern Arizona men's basketball team couldn't replicate a lights-out first-half shooting performance on the road at Montana in Missoula in a 79-72 Big Sky Conference-opening loss. The Lumberjacks, who move to 6-4 overall after the loss on Saturday, shot just 1 of 5 from 3-point range after going 7 of 14 from deep in the first half to get a 38-24 halftime lead. Montana improved to 5-7 overall snapped a two-game losing streak with the victory Saturday.

Montana has won 10 straight games over Northern Arizona, all coming during the six-year tenure of Grizzlies head coach Travis DeCuire. Northern Arizona played without starting center Brooks DeBisschop, who was held out with an injured ankle, and struggled inside defensively in his absence, allowing 46 points in the paint. With DeBisschop sidelined, Grizzlies forward Sayeed Pridgett capitalized on the opportunity and led all scorers with 27 points -- all coming inside the arc and most inside the paint. He also hauled in 10 rebounds. . . . "The bottom line is we have to get tougher," Lumberjacks interim head coach Shane Burcar said. "I believe in our guys, I think we will." The loss was oddly reminiscent of the Lumberjacks' 66-64 loss at Montana near the end of last season, as both times Northern Arizona led for more than 20 minutes of the game only for the Grizzlies to complete a rally at home. . . .

https://azdailysun.com/news/local/nau-men-s-basketball-lets-slim-lead-slip-away-falls/article_e95d48da-d70c-5152-80e9-b1d8a3749655.html

 

[Hoops watcher]

... shoots light out if he is moving but the free throw line is a different world.

When a player is really, really bad at making free throws, I've often wondered why they don't just put up a jumper.

Uncontested, but more loosey-goosey, he/she might do better. As I understand the FT rules, the only relevant restrictions are (1) they must keep their toes behind foul line until the ball hits the rim or backboard and (2) they cannot leave the semicircle behind the line once the ref has handed them the ball. (They have 10 sec to shoot, BTW, although I'm not sure the refs always enforce that.)

I've never tried it, but it seems to me there would be room to step back just a bit, then go up for a straight-up jumper where you come down still behind the foul line. Honestly, as bad as some guys look, this might work better ... and I see nothing in the rules that would forbid it.
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Remember Hal Greer? 80% from the line in a long career.

 

[grizzlyjournal]

Here's another game-highlight sequence from a slightly different angle, posted by Kyle Hansen.
[media]https://twitter.com/khansen406/status/1211180050323689472[/media]

 

[IdaGriz01]

... shoots light out if he is moving but the free throw line is a different world.

When a player is really, really bad at making free throws, I've often wondered why they don't just put up a jumper.

Uncontested, but more loosey-goosey, he/she might do better. As I understand the FT rules, the only relevant restrictions are (1) they must keep their toes behind foul line until the ball hits the rim or backboard and (2) they cannot leave the semicircle behind the line once the ref has handed them the ball. (They have 10 sec to shoot, BTW, although I'm not sure the refs always enforce that.)

I've never tried it, but it seems to me there would be room to step back just a bit, then go up for a straight-up jumper where you come down still behind the foul line. Honestly, as bad as some guys look, this might work better ... and I see nothing in the rules that would forbid it.
:lol: :lol: :lol:

Remember Hal Greer? 80% from the line in a long career.

I do remember Greer, but can't recall anything special about his stroke. Did he do something weird?

Anyway, it obviously can be done. Right now, a few NBA players are averaging over 90% on FTs. Remains to be seen if they can keep it up for a career. I believe Steve Nash (and maybe one other guy) has a (completed) career record of over 90%. Rick Barry came close with 89-plus%. But not many have come even close for an entire career.

 

[Hoops watcher]

... shoots light out if he is moving but the free throw line is a different world.

When a player is really, really bad at making free throws, I've often wondered why they don't just put up a jumper.

Uncontested, but more loosey-goosey, he/she might do better. As I understand the FT rules, the only relevant restrictions are (1) they must keep their toes behind foul line until the ball hits the rim or backboard and (2) they cannot leave the semicircle behind the line once the ref has handed them the ball. (They have 10 sec to shoot, BTW, although I'm not sure the refs always enforce that.)

I've never tried it, but it seems to me there would be room to step back just a bit, then go up for a straight-up jumper where you come down still behind the foul line. Honestly, as bad as some guys look, this might work better ... and I see nothing in the rules that would forbid it.
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Remember Hal Greer? 80% from the line in a long career.

I do remember Greer, but can't recall anything special about his stroke. Did he do something weird?

Anyway, it obviously can be done. Right now, a few NBA players are averaging over 90% on FTs. Remains to be seen if they can keep it up for a career. I believe Steve Nash (and maybe one other guy) has a (completed) career record of over 90%. Rick Barry came close with 89-plus%. But not many have come even close for an entire career.

Great shooter, on the 76ers with Wilt when they broke Bill Russell and the Celts chipper run in '67. Shot jumpers at the line. He was one of the players whose shot I tried to emulate as a yute playing hoops along with Walt Frazier and the Logo Jerry West.

 

[CleanHOUSE]

... shoots light out if he is moving but the free throw line is a different world.

When a player is really, really bad at making free throws, I've often wondered why they don't just put up a jumper.

Uncontested, but more loosey-goosey, he/she might do better. As I understand the FT rules, the only relevant restrictions are (1) they must keep their toes behind foul line until the ball hits the rim or backboard and (2) they cannot leave the semicircle behind the line once the ref has handed them the ball. (They have 10 sec to shoot, BTW, although I'm not sure the refs always enforce that.)

I've never tried it, but it seems to me there would be room to step back just a bit, then go up for a straight-up jumper where you come down still behind the foul line. Honestly, as bad as some guys look, this might work better ... and I see nothing in the rules that would forbid it.
:lol: :lol: :lol:

If you ever see youth basketball often they have to use a jumper for free throws...so maybe its super uncool once you get to college lol

 

[IdaGriz01]

... shoots light out if he is moving but the free throw line is a different world.

When a player is really, really bad at making free throws, I've often wondered why they don't just put up a jumper.

Uncontested, but more loosey-goosey, he/she might do better. As I understand the FT rules, the only relevant restrictions are (1) they must keep their toes behind foul line until the ball hits the rim or backboard and (2) they cannot leave the semicircle behind the line once the ref has handed them the ball. (They have 10 sec to shoot, BTW, although I'm not sure the refs always enforce that.)

I've never tried it, but it seems to me there would be room to step back just a bit, then go up for a straight-up jumper where you come down still behind the foul line. Honestly, as bad as some guys look, this might work better ... and I see nothing in the rules that would forbid it.
:lol: :lol: :lol:

If you ever see youth basketball often they have to use a jumper for free throws...so maybe its super uncool once you get to college lol

Maybe you have it. Apparently, being "uncool" takes "effective," "it works," etc. off the table. Rick Barry was known for shooting foul shots with an underhand style ... and once hit some crazy number in a row shooting blindfolded. Some guys tried it -- including Chamberlain (with much improvement) -- but didn't keep it up. It worked, but they couldn't stand the heat for shooting "granny style" and being considered a "sissy," or something.

Personally, if I were a coach and I had a guy who shot less than, say as a target 70%, he'd try the Barry approach or ride the pine. It's not so much the overall game rate, because that might only make a 2 or 3 point gross difference. But at late "crunch time," when the game is literally "on the line," you cannot afford to have a guy who can't make his free throws out there. Of course, if he (or she) has other skills you need ... well, that's your proverbial 'tween a rock and a hard place.