Griz v. ISU

[GrizLA]

Tough yet huge road win. If this team could put together a complete game, it would be a huge confidence boost. We need to upset Weber State next. Nice W GRIZ!!!

Well, Montana owns the state of Idaho in Bball, so far...

 

[Potomac Griz]

First loss by ISU at home in Big Sky play. Pretty good win for the Griz!

Great games by Gregory, DeShields and Kemp! Nice to have a post that grabbed some rebounds out there. Between Dunn, DeShields and Gregory out there towards the end the Griz were causing some trouble for ISU and getting some big turnovers.

Gregory:
21 points (7-14, 5-9 from 3, and 2-2 from the line), 6 rebounds (3 offensive), 3 assists, 3 fouls, 4 turnovers, 1 steal in 36 minutes.
DeShields:
13 points (4-5, 3-4 from 3, 2-2 from the line), 3 rebounds, 2 assists, 2 fouls, 1 turnover, 1 steal in 31 minutes.
Jamar:
7 points (3-11, 1-4 from 3), 6 rebounds (1 offensive), 9 assists, 1 foul, 2 turnovers, 1 block, 3 steals in 37 minutes.
Kemp:
6 points (3-3), 7 rebounds (3 offensive), 1 foul, 1 turnover, 1 block in 20 minutes.
Dunn:
6 points (2-6, 1-2 from 3, 1-2 from the line), 2 rebounds (1 offensive), 2 assists, 2 fouls, 1 turnover, 1 steal in 20 minutes.
Gfeller:
3 points (1-4, 1-4 from 3), 1 turnover, 1 steal in 10 minutes
Weisner:
3 points (1-2, 1-1 from 3), 1 foul, 1 turnover in 12 minutes.

Hutchison:
0 points (0-2), 1 rebound, 3 fouls, 2 turnovers in 16 minutes
Lopez:
0 points (0-3, 0-1 from 3), 4 rebounds (2 offensive) in 7 minutes.
Bradshaw:
0 points (0-1), 1 foul in 7 minutes
Martin:
0 points, 1 rebound, 1 turnover, 1 block in 4 minutes.

 

[Ashamed]

I will ask again. What does Hutch bring to the table?

 

[Potomac Griz]

I will ask again. What does Hutch bring to the table?

None of our posts are consistent yet. Hutch has had some good games in the past, as has Martin, as has Kemp and as has Weisner. If we can get just ONE of our posts to be semi-consistent at least with rebounding and defense this season could turn around completely.

I have to say Kemp still looks to be the most promising out there for helping us out a lot this year. Some games he looks damn good out there especially on the glass. Others though he looks almost nervous... Keep hoping when he has a game like tonight that'll be the breakout game and we wont see the nervous Kemp anymore.

 

[temp]

What in the world was ISU doing in the last minute? That was horrible game management. Down 1 with about 55 seconds left and instead of going quick and getting a two for one, they dribble the clock out and force up a bad 3-ball??? Then when they are down three they struggle to find a shot so they take a 2 with seven seconds left on the clock :?

But hey, we will take it! Good to see the boys fight for a tough road win. :thumb:

 

[Potomac Griz]

What in the world was ISU doing in the last minute? That was horrible game management. Down 1 with about 55 seconds left and instead of going quick and getting a two for one, they dribble the clock out and force up a bad 3-ball??? Then when they are down three they struggle to find a shot so they take a 2 with seven seconds left on the clock :?

But hey, we will take it! Good to see the boys fight for a tough road win. :thumb:

I actually got to watch the last minute on bigsky tv. Griz defense caused ISU to look like shit in that last minute.

When ISU had the ball and was down by 3 they couldn't get a look from three because of our defense so they tried to get a quick 2 then hopefully foul and maybe the Griz miss a free throw. That didn't happen, DeShields got a steal and that was the end of it for them. Great defense by the Griz there!

 

[PlayerRep]

I will ask again. What does Hutch bring to the table?

None of our posts are consistent yet. Hutch has had some good games in the past, as has Martin, as has Kemp and as has Weisner. If we can get just ONE of our posts to be semi-consistent at least with rebounding and defense this season could turn around completely.

I have to say Kemp still looks to be the most promising out there for helping us out a lot this year. Some games he looks damn good out there especially on the glass. Others though he looks almost nervous... Keep hoping when he has a game like tonight that'll be the breakout game and we wont see the nervous Kemp anymore.

Playing Kemp consistently might help his consistency. He seems to play alot one game, and then get few minutes the next. Sometimes he gets jerked for a mistake, when others seem to get a pass for the same mistake. He clearly has potential and is more athletic than the other posts. Still don't understand why he's not been brought alot more and faster, especially given the alternatives.

 

[Ashamed]

I will ask again. What does Hutch bring to the table?

None of our posts are consistent yet. Hutch has had some good games in the past, as has Martin, as has Kemp and as has Weisner. If we can get just ONE of our posts to be semi-consistent at least with rebounding and defense this season could turn around completely.

I have to say Kemp still looks to be the most promising out there for helping us out a lot this year. Some games he looks damn good out there especially on the glass. Others though he looks almost nervous... Keep hoping when he has a game like tonight that'll be the breakout game and we wont see the nervous Kemp anymore.

Not to harp...but what are the good games you are talking about? The 6 points and 5 rebounds he had against UND??? Most of his games he has 3 or 4 fouls and contributes ZERO. Maybe I am missing something.

 

[bobaloo]

I was always critical of Tinks when he was a first year head coach on how he divided minutes but gave him a pass because of the learning curve and inexperience. I am still vexed at how he has divided minutes this season. He will pull kids if they make a mistake and give others a pass as pr has said. I feel that this takes away from the kids playing loose with any confidence especially the young ones. They are afraid that they will see the bench if they screw up so they play tentative. With no post presence you have to play lights out on the perimeter. It will be hard to hit a high % from the 3pt line and also your free throws but I feel that is how the griz will win this year. Obviously you won't do that every game so knocking around the 500 mark is a real possibility for the season. I also feel that if your a senior you automatically earn more minutes just because.

 

[Potomac Griz]

Not to harp...but what are the good games you are talking about? The 6 points and 5 rebounds he had against UND??? Most of his games he has 3 or 4 fouls and contributes ZERO. Maybe I am missing something.

Hutch also had 11 points and 3 rebounds against South Dakota State and 8 points 6 rebounds against Hawaii. Last year he had some pretty good games as well. What's odd though is I think his rebounding numbers have actually declined significantly this year if you go by rebounds per minute. Trying to find my old stats from last year and the year before.

If I remember right Hutch had pretty damn good rebounding numbers per minute last year and the year before especially. This year his rebounds per minute are not nearly as good... Thought that was kind of strange.

Now keep in mind I'm not advocating that Hutch should be our starting 5. I personally think giving Kemp more minutes and not benching him at the first mistake might make that nervous Kemp that we see pop up from time to time disappear and we'd start to see the Kemp like we saw tonight out there more often.

Against bigger teams it probably would make sense to start Hutch or Martin though, but then maybe Kemp at the 4 instead of the 5. Who knows.... I think our best lineup (as evident by the scoring tonight, and what we've seen throughout the year) is with Dunn, DeShields, Gregory, Jamar and Kemp out there on the floor together.

Hope this game is a turning point for the Griz and also for Kemp... I honestly don't expect us to pick up a win on Saturday @Weber, but am hopeful that we can protect home court the rest of this conference season and pick up a few more wins on the road too.

 

[PlayerRep]

I will ask again. What does Hutch bring to the table?

None of our posts are consistent yet. Hutch has had some good games in the past, as has Martin, as has Kemp and as has Weisner. If we can get just ONE of our posts to be semi-consistent at least with rebounding and defense this season could turn around completely.

I have to say Kemp still looks to be the most promising out there for helping us out a lot this year. Some games he looks damn good out there especially on the glass. Others though he looks almost nervous... Keep hoping when he has a game like tonight that'll be the breakout game and we wont see the nervous Kemp anymore.

Not to harp...but what are the good games you are talking about? The 6 points and 5 rebounds he had against UND??? Most of his games he has 3 or 4 fouls and contributes ZERO. Maybe I am missing something.

Then, you must be blind. Jeez, watch the game, and look at the stats. He has gotten more rebounds per minute than any player on the team. 3 or 4 fouls per game. Zero fouls in 15 against NC, 3 in 18 against PSU, 4 in 16 against EWU (and 5 rebounds and 4 points), 2 in 24 against SS (and 10 points and 7 rebounds), 2 in 8 against Western, 1 in 8 against St. M's, 2 in 14 against UW (and 6 points on 3-3 shooting and 3 rebounds), 1 in 28 against SF (and 10 points on 5-7 shooting and 4 rebounds). Didn't play much in the other games, and never had more than 2 fouls in those games. So has had 3 fouls once, and 4 fouls once. Is close to leading the team in FG percentage (51.5%) and has about 10 more rebounds than Hutch in 6 less minutes per game. Hutch has 45 fouls in 18.1 minutes per game. Kemp has 25 in 11.7 minutes per game. Martin has 31 in 8.6 minutes per game. Like I said. You are blind.

 

[mtgrizrule]

Regarding Kemp. Scoring aside, his best attribute is he gives the GRIZ a few extra possessions a game with rebounding, a hustle play, or simply tipping a ball away from the other team. He makes more plays like those than any of the other post players. Defensively, he does get some good blocks for his height.

With the GRIZ playing so many close games, keeping possessions alive is huge. I am with PR on this.

Gregory and Jamar sure played with some extra passion down the stretch this game. I like Weisner coming off the bench much more than starting.

 

[Potomac Griz]

I will ask again. What does Hutch bring to the table?

None of our posts are consistent yet. Hutch has had some good games in the past, as has Martin, as has Kemp and as has Weisner. If we can get just ONE of our posts to be semi-consistent at least with rebounding and defense this season could turn around completely.

I have to say Kemp still looks to be the most promising out there for helping us out a lot this year. Some games he looks damn good out there especially on the glass. Others though he looks almost nervous... Keep hoping when he has a game like tonight that'll be the breakout game and we wont see the nervous Kemp anymore.

Not to harp...but what are the good games you are talking about? The 6 points and 5 rebounds he had against UND??? Most of his games he has 3 or 4 fouls and contributes ZERO. Maybe I am missing something.

Then, you must be blind. Jeez, watch the game, and look at the stats. He has gotten more rebounds per minute than any player on the team. 3 or 4 fouls per game. Zero fouls in 15 against NC, 3 in 18 against PSU, 4 in 16 against EWU (and 5 rebounds and 4 points), 2 in 24 against SS (and 10 points and 7 rebounds), 2 in 8 against Western, 1 in 8 against St. M's, 2 in 14 against UW (and 6 points on 3-3 shooting and 3 rebounds), 1 in 28 against SF (and 10 points on 5-7 shooting and 4 rebounds). Didn't play much in the other games, and never had more than 2 fouls in those games. So has had 3 fouls once, and 4 fouls once. Is close to leading the team in FG percentage (51.5%) and has about 10 more rebounds than Hutch in 6 less minutes per game. Hutch has 45 fouls in 18.1 minutes per game. Kemp has 25 in 11.7 minutes per game. Martin has 31 in 8.6 minutes per game. Like I said. You are blind.

Ashamed was talking about Hutch. I'm guessing he probably agrees on Kemp getting more minutes.

 

[PlayerRep]

None of our posts are consistent yet. Hutch has had some good games in the past, as has Martin, as has Kemp and as has Weisner. If we can get just ONE of our posts to be semi-consistent at least with rebounding and defense this season could turn around completely.

I have to say Kemp still looks to be the most promising out there for helping us out a lot this year. Some games he looks damn good out there especially on the glass. Others though he looks almost nervous... Keep hoping when he has a game like tonight that'll be the breakout game and we wont see the nervous Kemp anymore.

Not to harp...but what are the good games you are talking about? The 6 points and 5 rebounds he had against UND??? Most of his games he has 3 or 4 fouls and contributes ZERO. Maybe I am missing something.

Then, you must be blind. Jeez, watch the game, and look at the stats. He has gotten more rebounds per minute than any player on the team. 3 or 4 fouls per game. Zero fouls in 15 against NC, 3 in 18 against PSU, 4 in 16 against EWU (and 5 rebounds and 4 points), 2 in 24 against SS (and 10 points and 7 rebounds), 2 in 8 against Western, 1 in 8 against St. M's, 2 in 14 against UW (and 6 points on 3-3 shooting and 3 rebounds), 1 in 28 against SF (and 10 points on 5-7 shooting and 4 rebounds). Didn't play much in the other games, and never had more than 2 fouls in those games. So has had 3 fouls once, and 4 fouls once. Is close to leading the team in FG percentage (51.5%) and has about 10 more rebounds than Hutch in 6 less minutes per game. Hutch has 45 fouls in 18.1 minutes per game. Kemp has 25 in 11.7 minutes per game. Martin has 31 in 8.6 minutes per game. Like I said. You are blind.

Ashamed was talking about Hutch. I'm guessing he probably agrees on Kemp getting more minutes.

He made his post right under your somewhat positive paragraph on Kemp, without mentioning any name. Glad you can read his mind. I can't. Guess, my bad.

 

[Potomac Griz]

Not to harp...but what are the good games you are talking about? The 6 points and 5 rebounds he had against UND??? Most of his games he has 3 or 4 fouls and contributes ZERO. Maybe I am missing something.

Then, you must be blind. Jeez, watch the game, and look at the stats. He has gotten more rebounds per minute than any player on the team. 3 or 4 fouls per game. Zero fouls in 15 against NC, 3 in 18 against PSU, 4 in 16 against EWU (and 5 rebounds and 4 points), 2 in 24 against SS (and 10 points and 7 rebounds), 2 in 8 against Western, 1 in 8 against St. M's, 2 in 14 against UW (and 6 points on 3-3 shooting and 3 rebounds), 1 in 28 against SF (and 10 points on 5-7 shooting and 4 rebounds). Didn't play much in the other games, and never had more than 2 fouls in those games. So has had 3 fouls once, and 4 fouls once. Is close to leading the team in FG percentage (51.5%) and has about 10 more rebounds than Hutch in 6 less minutes per game. Hutch has 45 fouls in 18.1 minutes per game. Kemp has 25 in 11.7 minutes per game. Martin has 31 in 8.6 minutes per game. Like I said. You are blind.

Ashamed was talking about Hutch. I'm guessing he probably agrees on Kemp getting more minutes.

He made his post right under your somewhat positive paragraph on Kemp, without mentioning any name. Glad you can read his mind. I can't. Guess, my bad.

I can't read his mind. I can however read his post which spawned the current conversation. Here it is

I will ask again. What does Hutch bring to the table?

I responded to that question mentioning that Hutch has had some good games in the past, as has Martin, Kemp and Weisner, yet none of them have been very consistent yet. The second part of my post was the part about Kemp being the most promising.

So then Ashamed responded to me again asking me to elaborate a bit on Hutch's good games. While he didn't mention Hutch by name based on the previous post by him and the conversation I'm 100% sure he was talking about Hutch.

 

[PlayerRep]

Then, you must be blind. Jeez, watch the game, and look at the stats. He has gotten more rebounds per minute than any player on the team. 3 or 4 fouls per game. Zero fouls in 15 against NC, 3 in 18 against PSU, 4 in 16 against EWU (and 5 rebounds and 4 points), 2 in 24 against SS (and 10 points and 7 rebounds), 2 in 8 against Western, 1 in 8 against St. M's, 2 in 14 against UW (and 6 points on 3-3 shooting and 3 rebounds), 1 in 28 against SF (and 10 points on 5-7 shooting and 4 rebounds). Didn't play much in the other games, and never had more than 2 fouls in those games. So has had 3 fouls once, and 4 fouls once. Is close to leading the team in FG percentage (51.5%) and has about 10 more rebounds than Hutch in 6 less minutes per game. Hutch has 45 fouls in 18.1 minutes per game. Kemp has 25 in 11.7 minutes per game. Martin has 31 in 8.6 minutes per game. Like I said. You are blind.

Ashamed was talking about Hutch. I'm guessing he probably agrees on Kemp getting more minutes.

He made his post right under your somewhat positive paragraph on Kemp, without mentioning any name. Glad you can read his mind. I can't. Guess, my bad.

I can't read his mind. I can however read his post which spawned the current conversation. Here it is

I will ask again. What does Hutch bring to the table?

I responded to that question mentioning that Hutch has had some good games in the past, as has Martin, Kemp and Weisner, yet none of them have been very consistent yet. The second part of my post was the part about Kemp being the most promising.

So then Ashamed responded to me again asking me to elaborate a bit on Hutch's good games. While he didn't mention Hutch by name based on the previous post by him and the conversation I'm 100% sure he was talking about Hutch.

I responded to this series of comments, and in particular this statement by you in the para just above Ash's comment ("Some games he [Kemp] looks damn good out there especially on the glass.":

Pot: "None of our posts are consistent yet. Hutch has had some good games in the past, as has Martin, as has Kemp and as has Weisner. If we can get just ONE of our posts to be semi-consistent at least with rebounding and defense this season could turn around completely.

I have to say Kemp still looks to be the most promising out there for helping us out a lot this year. Some games he looks damn good out there especially on the glass. Others though he looks almost nervous... Keep hoping when he has a game like tonight that'll be the breakout game and we wont see the nervous Kemp anymore."


Ash: "Not to harp...but what are the good games you are talking about? The 6 points and 5 rebounds he had against UND??? Most of his games he has 3 or 4 fouls and contributes ZERO. Maybe I am missing something."

 

[Potomac Griz]

I will ask again. What does Hutch bring to the table?

I think this probably is the best evidence of who Ashamed was talking about. If you read it from that post forward you can see Ashamed was talking about Hutch.

There's also this:

Ash: "Not to harp...but what are the good games you are talking about? The 6 points and 5 rebounds he had against UND??? Most of his games he has 3 or 4 fouls and contributes ZERO. Maybe I am missing something."

Now...if only we had some way to find out which of our post players had 6 points and 5 rebounds against UND earlier this year. Then we'd be able to solve the mystery of who Ashamed is talking about.

Someone should really document things like that... They could put all of the results of games some place fans could access.... maybe on an Entertainment and Sports Programming Network website of some kind... Naah... that's just crazy talk.

I guess we'll never know who scored 6 points and had 5 rebounds against UND...

Seriously though, all sarcasm and joking aside, he's talking about Hutch not about Kemp.

I really hope we don't see what we've seen a couple times so far in this season where Kemp has a good game, then his minutes the next game are limited after he makes a mistake followed by him going back to single digit minutes for a couple games. Guess we'll find out against Weber on Saturday how this is going to go.

 

[PlayerRep]

I will ask again. What does Hutch bring to the table?

I think this probably is the best evidence of who Ashamed was talking about. If you read it from that post forward you can see Ashamed was talking about Hutch.

There's also this:

Ash: "Not to harp...but what are the good games you are talking about? The 6 points and 5 rebounds he had against UND??? Most of his games he has 3 or 4 fouls and contributes ZERO. Maybe I am missing something."

Now...if only we had some way to find out which of our post players had 6 points and 5 rebounds against UND earlier this year. Then we'd be able to solve the mystery of who Ashamed is talking about.

Someone should really document things like that... They could put all of the results of games some place fans could access.... maybe on an Entertainment and Sports Programming Network website of some kind... Naah... that's just crazy talk.

I guess we'll never know who scored 6 points and had 5 rebounds against UND...

Seriously though, all sarcasm and joking aside, he's talking about Hutch not about Kemp.

I really hope we don't see what we've seen a couple times so far in this season where Kemp has a good game, then his minutes the next game are limited after he makes a mistake followed by him going back to single digit minutes for a couple games. Guess we'll find out against Weber on Saturday how this is going to go.

While I don't disagree with what you are explaining now, the guys needs to write better. Perhaps you can provide an explanation/interpretation each time he posts, so there won't be misunderstanding by others like myself. I assume even you don't think his single post was clear.

 

[PlayerRep]

I will ask again. What does Hutch bring to the table?

I think this probably is the best evidence of who Ashamed was talking about. If you read it from that post forward you can see Ashamed was talking about Hutch.

There's also this:

Ash: "Not to harp...but what are the good games you are talking about? The 6 points and 5 rebounds he had against UND??? Most of his games he has 3 or 4 fouls and contributes ZERO. Maybe I am missing something."

Now...if only we had some way to find out which of our post players had 6 points and 5 rebounds against UND earlier this year. Then we'd be able to solve the mystery of who Ashamed is talking about.

Someone should really document things like that... They could put all of the results of games some place fans could access.... maybe on an Entertainment and Sports Programming Network website of some kind... Naah... that's just crazy talk.

I guess we'll never know who scored 6 points and had 5 rebounds against UND...

Seriously though, all sarcasm and joking aside, he's talking about Hutch not about Kemp.

I really hope we don't see what we've seen a couple times so far in this season where Kemp has a good game, then his minutes the next game are limited after he makes a mistake followed by him going back to single digit minutes for a couple games. Guess we'll find out against Weber on Saturday how this is going to go.

While I don't disagree with what you are explaining now, the guys needs to write better. Perhaps you can provide an explanation/interpretation each time he posts, so there won't be misunderstanding by others like myself. I assume even you don't think his single post was clear. By the way, I think the guy who had 2 fouls and 1 turnover in the Idaho game should be getting more playing time. Same with the guy who had 1 rebound, 1 fould and 1 turnover in the NAU game.

 

[Ashamed]

Not to harp...but what are the good games you are talking about? The 6 points and 5 rebounds he had against UND??? Most of his games he has 3 or 4 fouls and contributes ZERO. Maybe I am missing something.

Hutch also had 11 points and 3 rebounds against South Dakota State and 8 points 6 rebounds against Hawaii. Last year he had some pretty good games as well. What's odd though is I think his rebounding numbers have actually declined significantly this year if you go by rebounds per minute. Trying to find my old stats from last year and the year before.

If I remember right Hutch had pretty damn good rebounding numbers per minute last year and the year before especially. This year his rebounds per minute are not nearly as good... Thought that was kind of strange.

Sorry I didn't get back to you last night. Needed sleep for 3am work today.

This post is about Hutch and his rebounding and foul numbers.

PER ESPN: Hutch is getting 2 rebounds per 18 minutes of play, last year he was getting 2 rebounds per 15 minutes of play and the year before he was getting 1.8 rebounds per 8 minutes of play. Not good if you ask me. Especially for a big man, AND his fouls per game have DOUBLED since last year.