GRIZ Playoff chances....

[AZGrizFan]

We are definitely not in at 7-4

We are not definitely in at 8-3 which I know is shocking. Craig Haley on his recent podcast said there isn't enough room for both UM and EWU this year from the big sky because of that log jam ahead of us. So essentially he was saying that the committee will be more apt to choose a 7-4 EWU team over a 8-3 Griz team based on strength of schedule and the EWU heads up win over us.

I know this sucks to hear and usually 8-3 is automatic, but too many other strange variables at play. We need to hope for an EWU loss or for the wheels to come off of NAU.

I think there is about 0.00% chance of this happening. They're saying losing to NDSU by 30 is better than beating Savannah St. by 30? f***, with that logic MSU should be a lock for the playoffs. As should Indiana State and Missouri State.

I think the thought is that if eastern played Savannah or valpo instead of NDSU they would also be 8 -3 right now and they own a head to head over the Griz in Missoula. Not sure that’s right but it’s where he’s probably coming from...

Using that train of thought, I want to suggest the Griz could be at least 9-2 if they played the same schedule as NAU. No EWU or Weber.

:lol: :lol: Exactly. Just a completely idiotic argument.

 

[RobGriz]

They changed the rule to award Conference winners that don't get a seed. A minimum bid is all it would take.

HHB, please can you show me where it states that as I have looked through the NCAA rules and cannot find anything stating that. I see an article where changes where to be discussed and Foolurton (I purposely spelled it wrong) was upset about SUU not hosting a game due to being conference champion.

Even if that is true I then see the Committee doing everything possible not to put those two together in the first round as we all know the ncaa loves the money.

http://www.ncaa.org/sites/default/files ... 170914.pdf
Regarding rst-round, second-round, quarter nal and semi nal sites, in addition to the criteria listed in Bylaw 31.1.3.2.1, the
NCAA Division I Football Championship Committee shall consider the following additional criteria when selecting playoff sites:
1. The committee will consider previous crowd-control measures and crowd behavior of the prospective host institution (regardless of seeding).
2. Prospective host institutions must submit the following minimum nancial guarantees, which shall be 75 percent of the estimated net receipts as submitted on the proposed budget:
First round – $30,000 Second round – $40,000 Quarter nals – $50,000 Semi nals – $60,000
3. If the minimum nancial guarantees are met, the committee will award the playoff sites to the higher seeded teams.
4. When determining host institutions for playoff games when both teams are unseeded, criteria shall apply as follows: (1) quality of facility, (2) revenue potential plus estimated net receipts, (3) attendance history and potential, (4) team’s performance (i.e., conference place nish, head-to-head results and number of Division I opponents), and (5) student- athlete well-being (e.g., travel and missed class time).
5. A conference champion would host a rst-round game against a conference opponent (if applicable). This policy would be contingent upon the conference champion meeting the facility requirements to host and submitting an acceptable bid by the established deadline.
6. If a second-round, quarter nal or semi nal playoff site is not available due to the fact the institutions involved did not submit a proposed budget, the committee will contact the institutions and offer the opportunity to submit a bid at the current round’s minimum nancial guarantee level. If seeded teams are not involved, the committee will determine the host institution by applying the championship site-selection criteria in Bylaw 31.1.3.2.1.

Thank you Rob

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I could actually see the NCAA not pairing us with SUU in the first round just for the $$$.
Still, it's in our best interests for NAU to hand them their ass.

 

[ordigger]

HHB, please can you show me where it states that as I have looked through the NCAA rules and cannot find anything stating that. I see an article where changes where to be discussed and Foolurton (I purposely spelled it wrong) was upset about SUU not hosting a game due to being conference champion.

Even if that is true I then see the Committee doing everything possible not to put those two together in the first round as we all know the ncaa loves the money.

http://www.ncaa.org/sites/default/files ... 170914.pdf
Regarding rst-round, second-round, quarter nal and semi nal sites, in addition to the criteria listed in Bylaw 31.1.3.2.1, the
NCAA Division I Football Championship Committee shall consider the following additional criteria when selecting playoff sites:
1. The committee will consider previous crowd-control measures and crowd behavior of the prospective host institution (regardless of seeding).
2. Prospective host institutions must submit the following minimum nancial guarantees, which shall be 75 percent of the estimated net receipts as submitted on the proposed budget:
First round – $30,000 Second round – $40,000 Quarter nals – $50,000 Semi nals – $60,000
3. If the minimum nancial guarantees are met, the committee will award the playoff sites to the higher seeded teams.
4. When determining host institutions for playoff games when both teams are unseeded, criteria shall apply as follows: (1) quality of facility, (2) revenue potential plus estimated net receipts, (3) attendance history and potential, (4) team’s performance (i.e., conference place nish, head-to-head results and number of Division I opponents), and (5) student- athlete well-being (e.g., travel and missed class time).
5. A conference champion would host a rst-round game against a conference opponent (if applicable). This policy would be contingent upon the conference champion meeting the facility requirements to host and submitting an acceptable bid by the established deadline.
6. If a second-round, quarter nal or semi nal playoff site is not available due to the fact the institutions involved did not submit a proposed budget, the committee will contact the institutions and offer the opportunity to submit a bid at the current round’s minimum nancial guarantee level. If seeded teams are not involved, the committee will determine the host institution by applying the championship site-selection criteria in Bylaw 31.1.3.2.1.

Thank you Rob

:thumb:

I could actually see the NCAA not pairing us with SUU in the first round just for the $$$.
Still, it's in our best interests for NAU to hand them their ass.

Actually that is not the case. We want SUU to win because if SUU wins, we win out, and Weber wins out....those 3 will go. 4 loss NAU and EWU will stay home.

 

[RobGriz]

http://www.ncaa.org/sites/default/files ... 170914.pdf
Regarding rst-round, second-round, quarter nal and semi nal sites, in addition to the criteria listed in Bylaw 31.1.3.2.1, the
NCAA Division I Football Championship Committee shall consider the following additional criteria when selecting playoff sites:
1. The committee will consider previous crowd-control measures and crowd behavior of the prospective host institution (regardless of seeding).
2. Prospective host institutions must submit the following minimum nancial guarantees, which shall be 75 percent of the estimated net receipts as submitted on the proposed budget:
First round – $30,000 Second round – $40,000 Quarter nals – $50,000 Semi nals – $60,000
3. If the minimum nancial guarantees are met, the committee will award the playoff sites to the higher seeded teams.
4. When determining host institutions for playoff games when both teams are unseeded, criteria shall apply as follows: (1) quality of facility, (2) revenue potential plus estimated net receipts, (3) attendance history and potential, (4) team’s performance (i.e., conference place nish, head-to-head results and number of Division I opponents), and (5) student- athlete well-being (e.g., travel and missed class time).
5. A conference champion would host a rst-round game against a conference opponent (if applicable). This policy would be contingent upon the conference champion meeting the facility requirements to host and submitting an acceptable bid by the established deadline.
6. If a second-round, quarter nal or semi nal playoff site is not available due to the fact the institutions involved did not submit a proposed budget, the committee will contact the institutions and offer the opportunity to submit a bid at the current round’s minimum nancial guarantee level. If seeded teams are not involved, the committee will determine the host institution by applying the championship site-selection criteria in Bylaw 31.1.3.2.1.

Thank you Rob

:thumb:

I could actually see the NCAA not pairing us with SUU in the first round just for the $$$.
Still, it's in our best interests for NAU to hand them their ass.

Actually that is not the case. We want SUU to win because if SUU wins, we win out, and Weber wins out....those 3 will go. 4 loss NAU and EWU will stay home.

I s'pose that's true.

 

[marceagfan5]

I think there is about 0.00% chance of this happening. They're saying losing to NDSU by 30 is better than beating Savannah St. by 30? f***, with that logic MSU should be a lock for the playoffs. As should Indiana State and Missouri State.

I think the thought is that if eastern played Savannah or valpo instead of NDSU they would also be 8 -3 right now and they own a head to head over the Griz in Missoula. Not sure that’s right but it’s where he’s probably coming from...

Using that train of thought, I want to suggest the Griz could be at least 9-2 if they played the same schedule as NAU. No EWU or Weber.

:lol: :lol: Exactly. Just a completely idiotic argument.

I was arguing more the non conference schedule, which teams can control, rather than the conf schedule....if both the Griz and Eastern finish 6-2 in conf, you almost have to look at the non conference and head to head...it’s definitely far from an idiot argument, hell it was used against Sam Houston last year who was ranked first or 2nd most the year but was dropped by the committee in seeding because of a patsy non conference schedule and playing in the SLC

 

[AZDoc]

I think the thought is that if eastern played Savannah or valpo instead of NDSU they would also be 8 -3 right now and they own a head to head over the Griz in Missoula. Not sure that’s right but it’s where he’s probably coming from...

Using that train of thought, I want to suggest the Griz could be at least 9-2 if they played the same schedule as NAU. No EWU or Weber.

:lol: :lol: Exactly. Just a completely idiotic argument.

I was arguing more the non conference schedule, which teams can control, rather than the conf schedule....if both the Griz and Eastern finish 6-2 in conf, you almost have to look at the non conference and head to head...it’s definitely far from an idiot argument, hell it was used against Sam Houston last year who was ranked first or 2nd most the year but was dropped by the committee in seeding because of a patsy non conference schedule and playing in the SLC

The argument has merit, but the issue is the BSC has stupid scheduling. Because if that, any conference record argument is an apples to oranges argument unless they play the exact same teams...which doesn’t happen. I honestly think a 7-4 ewu should go, but they won’t unless it all hits the fan the last 2 weeks. I’m hoping both teams win out as that improves both teams SOS

 

[CDAGRIZ]

I've said it for years: This conference needs more teams that don't all play each other.
I'm sure this has been answered, but do BSC teams still play BSC teams in "non-conference" games?

 

[Bertram]

A team to keep an eye these next two weekends is North Carolina A&T (6-0) if they don't end up winning their Conference (MEAC) and going on to the SWAC Vs MEAC Celebration Bowl; they have impressed the selection committee enough to grant them an at large bid. I don't see the MEAC fielding a playoff team otherwise.

 

[HookedonGriz]

I've said it for years: This conference needs more teams that don't all play each other.
I'm sure this has been answered, but do BSC teams still play BSC teams in "non-conference" games?

Yep they do. In fact I think there was one this year. NAU and EWU just signed on to play non Conf games on years they aren't scheduled in conference

 

[CDAGRIZ]

I've said it for years: This conference needs more teams that don't all play each other.
I'm sure this has been answered, but do BSC teams still play BSC teams in "non-conference" games?

Yep they do. In fact I think there was one this year. NAU and EWU just signed on to play non Conf games on years they aren't scheduled in conference

That's perfect! I wish this conversation was further complicated by the non-conference conference games like it will inevitably be. That would be great. Just imagine if Weebs wasn't conference for MSU this year. Would the Cats be playing for an autobid?

 

[jodcon]

I've said it for years: This conference needs more teams that don't all play each other.
I'm sure this has been answered, but do BSC teams still play BSC teams in "non-conference" games?

Yep they do. In fact I think there was one this year. NAU and EWU just signed on to play non Conf games on years they aren't scheduled in conference

So really you could play the 2 toughest teams non-conference and get drilled both games but beat all the shit teams and still win the conference. Gotta love the unbalanced schedule, there's always one school with a golden ticket it seems.

P.S. I know 2 OOC games isn't realistic but still you can play 1 OOC and avoid one or two more good teams if the schedule falls right that year.

 

[IdaGriz01]

A team to keep an eye these next two weekends is North Carolina A&T (6-0) if they don't end up winning their Conference (MEAC) and going on to the SWAC Vs MEAC Celebration Bowl; they have impressed the selection committee enough to grant them an at large bid. I don't see the MEAC fielding a playoff team otherwise.

Exactamundo! The good news is, they play NC Central at home rather than on the road. Last year, NC A&T lost on the road to NC Central ... and ended up with an at-large play-off bid. And got beat up by Richmond, 39-10, in the first round.

 

[mtgrizfankb]

I've said it for years: This conference needs more teams that don't all play each other.
I'm sure this has been answered, but do BSC teams still play BSC teams in "non-conference" games?

Yep they do. In fact I think there was one this year. NAU and EWU just signed on to play non Conf games on years they aren't scheduled in conference

So really you could play the 2 toughest teams non-conference and get drilled both games but beat all the shit teams and still win the conference. Gotta love the unbalanced schedule, there's always one school with a golden ticket it seems.

P.S. I know 2 OOC games isn't realistic but still you can play 1 OOC and avoid one or two more good teams if the schedule falls right that year.

Ironically it should have been CP with the easiest schedule in the bigsky. They got NAU at home and Weber at home and did not play UM, EWU or MSU. In theory their toughest games would have been SUU in the road. But injuries and stupidity seemed to stop them for being decent

 

[AZGrizFan]

Using that train of thought, I want to suggest the Griz could be at least 9-2 if they played the same schedule as NAU. No EWU or Weber.

:lol: :lol: Exactly. Just a completely idiotic argument.

I was arguing more the non conference schedule, which teams can control, rather than the conf schedule....if both the Griz and Eastern finish 6-2 in conf, you almost have to look at the non conference and head to head...it’s definitely far from an idiot argument, hell it was used against Sam Houston last year who was ranked first or 2nd most the year but was dropped by the committee in seeding because of a patsy non conference schedule and playing in the SLC

The argument has merit, but the issue is the BSC has stupid scheduling. Because if that, any conference record argument is an apples to oranges argument unless they play the exact same teams...which doesn’t happen. I honestly think a 7-4 ewu should go, but they won’t unless it all hits the fan the last 2 weeks. I’m hoping both teams win out as that improves both teams SOS

Not really. Teams can "control" their OOC schedule....Griz had McNeese scheduled, but we all know how that turned out. so they can control it only to a point. At the end of the day, you gotta beat who's in front of you...EWU didn't do that.

 

[GoldenEagle]

:lol: :lol: Exactly. Just a completely idiotic argument.

I was arguing more the non conference schedule, which teams can control, rather than the conf schedule....if both the Griz and Eastern finish 6-2 in conf, you almost have to look at the non conference and head to head...it’s definitely far from an idiot argument, hell it was used against Sam Houston last year who was ranked first or 2nd most the year but was dropped by the committee in seeding because of a patsy non conference schedule and playing in the SLC

The argument has merit, but the issue is the BSC has stupid scheduling. Because if that, any conference record argument is an apples to oranges argument unless they play the exact same teams...which doesn’t happen. I honestly think a 7-4 ewu should go, but they won’t unless it all hits the fan the last 2 weeks. I’m hoping both teams win out as that improves both teams SOS

Not really. Teams can "control" their OOC schedule....Griz had McNeese scheduled, but we all know how that turned out. so they can control it only to a point. At the end of the day, you gotta beat who's in front of you...EWU didn't do that.

Fact, you played cream puffs. That's why Sagarin has UM ranked lower than the EAGS. Pretty simple concept.

 

[marceagfan5]

:lol: :lol: Exactly. Just a completely idiotic argument.

I was arguing more the non conference schedule, which teams can control, rather than the conf schedule....if both the Griz and Eastern finish 6-2 in conf, you almost have to look at the non conference and head to head...it’s definitely far from an idiot argument, hell it was used against Sam Houston last year who was ranked first or 2nd most the year but was dropped by the committee in seeding because of a patsy non conference schedule and playing in the SLC

The argument has merit, but the issue is the BSC has stupid scheduling. Because if that, any conference record argument is an apples to oranges argument unless they play the exact same teams...which doesn’t happen. I honestly think a 7-4 ewu should go, but they won’t unless it all hits the fan the last 2 weeks. I’m hoping both teams win out as that improves both teams SOS

Not really. Teams can "control" their OOC schedule....Griz had McNeese scheduled, but we all know how that turned out. so they can control it only to a point. At the end of the day, you gotta beat who's in front of you...EWU didn't do that.

There is still a lot of football to be played over the next two weeks anyways and the only thing that’s a given is things are bound to change....will be interesting to see how a lot of these 3 and 4 loss teams in the MVFC, CAA, Southern, and big sky do the next two weekends....

 

[AZDoc]

:lol: :lol: Exactly. Just a completely idiotic argument.

I was arguing more the non conference schedule, which teams can control, rather than the conf schedule....if both the Griz and Eastern finish 6-2 in conf, you almost have to look at the non conference and head to head...it’s definitely far from an idiot argument, hell it was used against Sam Houston last year who was ranked first or 2nd most the year but was dropped by the committee in seeding because of a patsy non conference schedule and playing in the SLC

The argument has merit, but the issue is the BSC has stupid scheduling. Because if that, any conference record argument is an apples to oranges argument unless they play the exact same teams...which doesn’t happen. I honestly think a 7-4 ewu should go, but they won’t unless it all hits the fan the last 2 weeks. I’m hoping both teams win out as that improves both teams SOS

Not really. Teams can "control" their OOC schedule....Griz had McNeese scheduled, but we all know how that turned out. so they can control it only to a point. At the end of the day, you gotta beat who's in front of you...EWU didn't do that.

I just meant the conference records...and him thinking EWU should go instead at 7-4. I get the OOC this year. Sad part is can't win on that...if a D2, people get pissed, do a crappy FCS, people get pissed. I'd rather have a win against a crappy FCS than a D2. This year was not the norm, but I think an 8-3 Griz team goes instead of EWU if it's up for grabs. Then again, I hope they win out and both make it.

 

[AZGrizFan]

I was arguing more the non conference schedule, which teams can control, rather than the conf schedule....if both the Griz and Eastern finish 6-2 in conf, you almost have to look at the non conference and head to head...it’s definitely far from an idiot argument, hell it was used against Sam Houston last year who was ranked first or 2nd most the year but was dropped by the committee in seeding because of a patsy non conference schedule and playing in the SLC

The argument has merit, but the issue is the BSC has stupid scheduling. Because if that, any conference record argument is an apples to oranges argument unless they play the exact same teams...which doesn’t happen. I honestly think a 7-4 ewu should go, but they won’t unless it all hits the fan the last 2 weeks. I’m hoping both teams win out as that improves both teams SOS

Not really. Teams can "control" their OOC schedule....Griz had McNeese scheduled, but we all know how that turned out. so they can control it only to a point. At the end of the day, you gotta beat who's in front of you...EWU didn't do that.

Fact, you played cream puffs. That's why Sagarin has UM ranked lower than the EAGS. Pretty simple concept.

Fact: you're starting to sound like MSU fans with your moral victory shit. Getting blown out by NDSU--AT HOME--did NOTHING for your playoff chances. NOTHING.

 

[AZGrizFan]

I was arguing more the non conference schedule, which teams can control, rather than the conf schedule....if both the Griz and Eastern finish 6-2 in conf, you almost have to look at the non conference and head to head...it’s definitely far from an idiot argument, hell it was used against Sam Houston last year who was ranked first or 2nd most the year but was dropped by the committee in seeding because of a patsy non conference schedule and playing in the SLC

The argument has merit, but the issue is the BSC has stupid scheduling. Because if that, any conference record argument is an apples to oranges argument unless they play the exact same teams...which doesn’t happen. I honestly think a 7-4 ewu should go, but they won’t unless it all hits the fan the last 2 weeks. I’m hoping both teams win out as that improves both teams SOS

Not really. Teams can "control" their OOC schedule....Griz had McNeese scheduled, but we all know how that turned out. so they can control it only to a point. At the end of the day, you gotta beat who's in front of you...EWU didn't do that.

I just meant the conference records...and him thinking EWU should go instead at 7-4. I get the OOC this year. Sad part is can't win on that...if a D2, people get pissed, do a crappy FCS, people get pissed. I'd rather have a win against a crappy FCS than a D2. This year was not the norm, but I think an 8-3 Griz team goes instead of EWU if it's up for grabs. Then again, I hope they win out and both make it.

I'd rather have a crappy win than a blowout loss at home ala EWU.

 

[Stop_HammerTime69]

I was arguing more the non conference schedule, which teams can control, rather than the conf schedule....if both the Griz and Eastern finish 6-2 in conf, you almost have to look at the non conference and head to head...it’s definitely far from an idiot argument, hell it was used against Sam Houston last year who was ranked first or 2nd most the year but was dropped by the committee in seeding because of a patsy non conference schedule and playing in the SLC

The argument has merit, but the issue is the BSC has stupid scheduling. Because if that, any conference record argument is an apples to oranges argument unless they play the exact same teams...which doesn’t happen. I honestly think a 7-4 ewu should go, but they won’t unless it all hits the fan the last 2 weeks. I’m hoping both teams win out as that improves both teams SOS

Not really. Teams can "control" their OOC schedule....Griz had McNeese scheduled, but we all know how that turned out. so they can control it only to a point. At the end of the day, you gotta beat who's in front of you...EWU didn't do that.

Fact, you played cream puffs. That's why Sagarin has UM ranked lower than the EAGS. Pretty simple concept.

I had no idea Washington was a cream puff.