GRIZ Playoff chances....

[jodcon]

Who the f*** is Craig Haley and why does his opinion matter at all? Oh, if two teams are both 8-3 out of the same conference, the one that lost when they met on the field should get the nod.
...

Well, he gets paid for his opinions, but otherwise ... Nada

People get paid for doing unthinkable things.
Seriously, I just googled him. College of New Jersey and some DeVry thing for Sports Management. He lists his title as "Nationally Recognized FCS College Football Writer." Anybody who is nationally recognized doesn't have to say so. Hard pass on anything he has to say.

Well based on the amount of lurkers we have on here from other schools you could make the argument many of us are "Nationally Recognized FCS College Football Writers" too, and we actually understand how the playoffs work so...

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

An 8-3 GRIZ team will get in the play off. I believe The first round games are on a bid system. We will get SUU at HOME, because we always put in the highest bid and money talks.

They changed the rule to award Conference winners that don't get a seed. A minimum bid is all it would take.

 

[Ursa Major]

... However that one doesn't worry me as much as an 8-3 NAU team. Plus UND is going to knock eastern out of the playoffs discussion anyway this Saturday

Because they won't have Gubrud, you mean? You haven't been keeping up.

According to some over there, the best QB at EWU has been sitting on the bench all this time. :lol:

Yeah but he's not on billboards, that's the important thing over there.

This same logic can be applied in Clowntown, just exchange the word billboards for shitters.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

Who the f*** is Craig Haley and why does his opinion matter at all? Oh, if two teams are both 8-3 out of the same conference, the one that lost when they met on the field should get the nod.
...

Well, he gets paid for his opinions, but otherwise ... Nada

People get paid for doing unthinkable things.
Seriously, I just googled him. College of New Jersey and some DeVry thing for Sports Management. He lists his title as "Nationally Recognized FCS College Football Writer." Anybody who is nationally recognized doesn't have to say so. Hard pass on anything he has to say.

Well based on the amount of lurkers we have on here from other schools you could make the argument many of us are "Nationally Recognized FCS College Football Writers" too, and we actually understand how the playoffs work so...

Good point. I'll go out on a limb and say that an inertia-driven "ranking" from three weeks prior doesn't propel NAU into the playoffs over a team they lost to if both are 8-3 out of the same conference and the other team happens to be UM.

 

[jodcon]

... However that one doesn't worry me as much as an 8-3 NAU team. Plus UND is going to knock eastern out of the playoffs discussion anyway this Saturday

Because they won't have Gubrud, you mean? You haven't been keeping up.

According to some over there, the best QB at EWU has been sitting on the bench all this time. :lol:

Yeah but he's not on billboards, that's the important thing over there.

This same logic can be applied in Clowntown, just exchange the word billboards for shitters.

:lol: I totally forgot about that, who thought up that brilliant idea?

 

[HookedonGriz]

I thought it sounded crazy too, but you may recall when the committee took a 6-5 Western Illinois team over many 7 win and 8 win teams a couple years ago so it's not unprecedented

Western Illinois had the autobid. The committee had nothing to do with it.

Bullshit. WIU was 5-3 in conference that year and finished 3rd in the mvfc. They were 6-5 overall and got an at large.

You just swung and missed twice now. Anything else you want to call me out on and be wrong.

http://goleathernecks.com/news/2015/11/21/FB_1121154206.aspx

OK I eat crow on the W. Illinois one. There was a 6-5 team that got in, maybe from the OHVC, that was an auto bid that everyone complained about. What was the other one I was wrong about? Do you mean a response to a post that used the ISU acronym on a BSC site to mean something other than Idaho State University?

I guess it's the just the arrogant "matter of factly" way you called me out on both of those....but were wrong. I feel like you've done that a couple times and were wrong. Guess I'd prefer the benefit of the doubt...I'm pretty passionate about this FCS crap unfortunately haha

 

[GrizRanger]

Griz lost to EWU and Weber St., and SUU is leading the BSC conference at this point. I would think these 3 teams are all ahead of the Griz as potential playoff candidates from the BSC.

I don't see the BSC getting 4 teams into the FCS playoffs. BSC will be lucky to get 3 teams in. Griz are going to have to win their last 2 conference games and have EWU, Weber or SUU lose in order to have a shot at the FCS playoffs. Who knows NAU may still be ahead of the Griz in NCAA eyes due to NAU QB not playing against the Griz (?).

What the Griz do have going for them is their ability to raise $ for the NCAA through playoff game attendance if there is a close decision to be made. $ always speak volumes to the NCAA, and could help the Griz be chosen for the playoffs.

 

[AZGrizFan]

Griz lost to EWU and Weber St., and SUU is leading the BSC conference at this point. I would think these 3 teams are all ahead of the Griz as potential playoff candidates from the BSC.

I don't see the BSC getting 4 teams into the FCS playoffs. BSC will be lucky to get 3 teams in. Griz are going to have to win their last 2 conference games and have EWU, Weber or SUU lose in order to have a shot at the FCS playoffs. Who knows NAU may still be ahead of the Griz in NCAA eyes due to NAU QB not playing against the Griz (?).

What the Griz do have going for them is their ability to raise $ for the NCAA through playoff game attendance if there is a close decision to be made. $ always speak volumes to the NCAA, and could help the Griz be chosen for the playoffs.

Why is a 7-4 EWU team ahead of an 8-3 Griz team? BSC has NEVER had less than 3 teams since they expanded the playoffs. An 8-3 team has NEVER been left out of the playoffs since they expanded the playoffs. Those are universal truths.

Conclusion: An 8-3 Griz team will be in the playoffs. Book it.

P.S. And never mind that we beat them with a WR playing QB. :roll: :roll:

 

[CDAGRIZ]

Griz lost to EWU and Weber St., and SUU is leading the BSC conference at this point. I would think these 3 teams are all ahead of the Griz as potential playoff candidates from the BSC.

I don't see the BSC getting 4 teams into the FCS playoffs. BSC will be lucky to get 3 teams in. Griz are going to have to win their last 2 conference games and have EWU, Weber or SUU lose in order to have a shot at the FCS playoffs. Who knows NAU may still be ahead of the Griz in NCAA eyes due to NAU QB not playing against the Griz (?).

What the Griz do have going for them is their ability to raise $ for the NCAA through playoff game attendance if there is a close decision to be made. $ always speak volumes to the NCAA, and could help the Griz be chosen for the playoffs.

Why is a 7-4 EWU team ahead of an 8-3 Griz team? BSC has NEVER had less than 3 teams since they expanded the playoffs. An 8-3 team has NEVER been left out of the playoffs since they expanded the playoffs. Those are universal truths.

Conclusion: An 8-3 Griz team will be in the playoffs. Book it.

P.S. And never mind that we beat them with a WR playing QB. :roll: :roll:

Clegg Hayword said nope. NAU over UM at 8-3 apiece. Clegg is nationally recognized according to Clegg.

 

[GottaluvGriz]

NAU losing to Southern Utah the last week wouldn't hurt either.

True, but SUU winning the BSC opens the possibility of the Griz travelling to Cedar City for the first round.

Unless SUU gets seeded, we will host them in this scenario even if they win the BSC because we will outbid them for the opening round game. I believe only seeded teams get the opening round bye and then a home game guarantee if I remember correctly.
Go Griz!

They changed the rule to award Conference winners that don't get a seed. A minimum bid is all it would take.

Well darn it. That must be new? Thanks for the info HHB!
Go Griz!

 

[grizare#1]

I think we must win the next two to have a shot. It may still take some real salesmanship to sell the committee on the griz. Hopefully they would see our record and note our QB situation all season. Still comes down to winning out, and convincingly wouldn't hurt. If we do that I think our chances are about 80% getting in.

 

[marceagfan5]

We are definitely not in at 7-4

We are not definitely in at 8-3 which I know is shocking. Craig Haley on his recent podcast said there isn't enough room for both UM and EWU this year from the big sky because of that log jam ahead of us. So essentially he was saying that the committee will be more apt to choose a 7-4 EWU team over a 8-3 Griz team based on strength of schedule and the EWU heads up win over us.

I know this sucks to hear and usually 8-3 is automatic, but too many other strange variables at play. We need to hope for an EWU loss or for the wheels to come off of NAU.

I think there is about 0.00% chance of this happening. They're saying losing to NDSU by 30 is better than beating Savannah St. by 30? f***, with that logic MSU should be a lock for the playoffs. As should Indiana State and Missouri State.

I think the thought is that if eastern played Savannah or valpo instead of NDSU they would also be 8 -3 right now and they own a head to head over the Griz in Missoula. Not sure that’s right but it’s where he’s probably coming from...

 

[grizband]

We are definitely not in at 7-4

We are not definitely in at 8-3 which I know is shocking. Craig Haley on his recent podcast said there isn't enough room for both UM and EWU this year from the big sky because of that log jam ahead of us. So essentially he was saying that the committee will be more apt to choose a 7-4 EWU team over a 8-3 Griz team based on strength of schedule and the EWU heads up win over us.

I know this sucks to hear and usually 8-3 is automatic, but too many other strange variables at play. We need to hope for an EWU loss or for the wheels to come off of NAU.

I think there is about 0.00% chance of this happening. They're saying losing to NDSU by 30 is better than beating Savannah St. by 30? f***, with that logic MSU should be a lock for the playoffs. As should Indiana State and Missouri State.

I think the thought is that if eastern played Savannah or valpo instead of NDSU they would also be 8 -3 right now and they own a head to head over the Griz in Missoula. Not sure that’s right but it’s where he’s probably coming from...

It's a fair argument; one could also argue that with our starting QB healthy all year, the Griz have only lost to Washington at this point.

 

[mtgrizzly]

An 8-3 GRIZ team will get in the play off. I believe The first round games are on a bid system. We will get SUU at HOME, because we always put in the highest bid and money talks.

They changed the rule to award Conference winners that don't get a seed. A minimum bid is all it would take.

HHB, please can you show me where it states that as I have looked through the NCAA rules and cannot find anything stating that. I see an article where changes where to be discussed and Foolurton (I purposely spelled it wrong) was upset about SUU not hosting a game due to being conference champion.

Even if that is true I then see the Committee doing everything possible not to put those two together in the first round as we all know the ncaa loves the money.

 

[RobGriz]

An 8-3 GRIZ team will get in the play off. I believe The first round games are on a bid system. We will get SUU at HOME, because we always put in the highest bid and money talks.

They changed the rule to award Conference winners that don't get a seed. A minimum bid is all it would take.

HHB, please can you show me where it states that as I have looked through the NCAA rules and cannot find anything stating that. I see an article where changes where to be discussed and Foolurton (I purposely spelled it wrong) was upset about SUU not hosting a game due to being conference champion.

Even if that is true I then see the Committee doing everything possible not to put those two together in the first round as we all know the ncaa loves the money.

http://www.ncaa.org/sites/default/files ... 170914.pdf
Regarding rst-round, second-round, quarter nal and semi nal sites, in addition to the criteria listed in Bylaw 31.1.3.2.1, the
NCAA Division I Football Championship Committee shall consider the following additional criteria when selecting playoff sites:
1. The committee will consider previous crowd-control measures and crowd behavior of the prospective host institution (regardless of seeding).
2. Prospective host institutions must submit the following minimum nancial guarantees, which shall be 75 percent of the estimated net receipts as submitted on the proposed budget:
First round – $30,000 Second round – $40,000 Quarter nals – $50,000 Semi nals – $60,000
3. If the minimum nancial guarantees are met, the committee will award the playoff sites to the higher seeded teams.
4. When determining host institutions for playoff games when both teams are unseeded, criteria shall apply as follows: (1) quality of facility, (2) revenue potential plus estimated net receipts, (3) attendance history and potential, (4) team’s performance (i.e., conference place nish, head-to-head results and number of Division I opponents), and (5) student- athlete well-being (e.g., travel and missed class time).
5. A conference champion would host a rst-round game against a conference opponent (if applicable). This policy would be contingent upon the conference champion meeting the facility requirements to host and submitting an acceptable bid by the established deadline.
6. If a second-round, quarter nal or semi nal playoff site is not available due to the fact the institutions involved did not submit a proposed budget, the committee will contact the institutions and offer the opportunity to submit a bid at the current round’s minimum nancial guarantee level. If seeded teams are not involved, the committee will determine the host institution by applying the championship site-selection criteria in Bylaw 31.1.3.2.1.

 

[mtgrizzly]

An 8-3 GRIZ team will get in the play off. I believe The first round games are on a bid system. We will get SUU at HOME, because we always put in the highest bid and money talks.

They changed the rule to award Conference winners that don't get a seed. A minimum bid is all it would take.

HHB, please can you show me where it states that as I have looked through the NCAA rules and cannot find anything stating that. I see an article where changes where to be discussed and Foolurton (I purposely spelled it wrong) was upset about SUU not hosting a game due to being conference champion.

Even if that is true I then see the Committee doing everything possible not to put those two together in the first round as we all know the ncaa loves the money.

http://www.ncaa.org/sites/default/files ... 170914.pdf
Regarding rst-round, second-round, quarter nal and semi nal sites, in addition to the criteria listed in Bylaw 31.1.3.2.1, the
NCAA Division I Football Championship Committee shall consider the following additional criteria when selecting playoff sites:
1. The committee will consider previous crowd-control measures and crowd behavior of the prospective host institution (regardless of seeding).
2. Prospective host institutions must submit the following minimum nancial guarantees, which shall be 75 percent of the estimated net receipts as submitted on the proposed budget:
First round – $30,000 Second round – $40,000 Quarter nals – $50,000 Semi nals – $60,000
3. If the minimum nancial guarantees are met, the committee will award the playoff sites to the higher seeded teams.
4. When determining host institutions for playoff games when both teams are unseeded, criteria shall apply as follows: (1) quality of facility, (2) revenue potential plus estimated net receipts, (3) attendance history and potential, (4) team’s performance (i.e., conference place nish, head-to-head results and number of Division I opponents), and (5) student- athlete well-being (e.g., travel and missed class time).
5. A conference champion would host a rst-round game against a conference opponent (if applicable). This policy would be contingent upon the conference champion meeting the facility requirements to host and submitting an acceptable bid by the established deadline.
6. If a second-round, quarter nal or semi nal playoff site is not available due to the fact the institutions involved did not submit a proposed budget, the committee will contact the institutions and offer the opportunity to submit a bid at the current round’s minimum nancial guarantee level. If seeded teams are not involved, the committee will determine the host institution by applying the championship site-selection criteria in Bylaw 31.1.3.2.1.

Thank you Rob

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

We are definitely not in at 7-4

We are not definitely in at 8-3 which I know is shocking. Craig Haley on his recent podcast said there isn't enough room for both UM and EWU this year from the big sky because of that log jam ahead of us. So essentially he was saying that the committee will be more apt to choose a 7-4 EWU team over a 8-3 Griz team based on strength of schedule and the EWU heads up win over us.

I know this sucks to hear and usually 8-3 is automatic, but too many other strange variables at play. We need to hope for an EWU loss or for the wheels to come off of NAU.

I think there is about 0.00% chance of this happening. They're saying losing to NDSU by 30 is better than beating Savannah St. by 30? f***, with that logic MSU should be a lock for the playoffs. As should Indiana State and Missouri State.

I think the thought is that if eastern played Savannah or valpo instead of NDSU they would also be 8 -3 right now and they own a head to head over the Griz in Missoula. Not sure that’s right but it’s where he’s probably coming from...

Using that train of thought, I want to suggest the Griz could be at least 9-2 if they played the same schedule as NAU. No EWU or Weber.

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

They changed the rule to award Conference winners that don't get a seed. A minimum bid is all it would take.

HHB, please can you show me where it states that as I have looked through the NCAA rules and cannot find anything stating that. I see an article where changes where to be discussed and Foolurton (I purposely spelled it wrong) was upset about SUU not hosting a game due to being conference champion.

Even if that is true I then see the Committee doing everything possible not to put those two together in the first round as we all know the ncaa loves the money.

http://www.ncaa.org/sites/default/files ... 170914.pdf
Regarding rst-round, second-round, quarter nal and semi nal sites, in addition to the criteria listed in Bylaw 31.1.3.2.1, the
NCAA Division I Football Championship Committee shall consider the following additional criteria when selecting playoff sites:
1. The committee will consider previous crowd-control measures and crowd behavior of the prospective host institution (regardless of seeding).
2. Prospective host institutions must submit the following minimum nancial guarantees, which shall be 75 percent of the estimated net receipts as submitted on the proposed budget:
First round – $30,000 Second round – $40,000 Quarter nals – $50,000 Semi nals – $60,000
3. If the minimum nancial guarantees are met, the committee will award the playoff sites to the higher seeded teams.
4. When determining host institutions for playoff games when both teams are unseeded, criteria shall apply as follows: (1) quality of facility, (2) revenue potential plus estimated net receipts, (3) attendance history and potential, (4) team’s performance (i.e., conference place nish, head-to-head results and number of Division I opponents), and (5) student- athlete well-being (e.g., travel and missed class time).
5. A conference champion would host a rst-round game against a conference opponent (if applicable). This policy would be contingent upon the conference champion meeting the facility requirements to host and submitting an acceptable bid by the established deadline.
6. If a second-round, quarter nal or semi nal playoff site is not available due to the fact the institutions involved did not submit a proposed budget, the committee will contact the institutions and offer the opportunity to submit a bid at the current round’s minimum nancial guarantee level. If seeded teams are not involved, the committee will determine the host institution by applying the championship site-selection criteria in Bylaw 31.1.3.2.1.

Thank you Rob

+1

 

[Grisly Fan]

I believe style points might matter in these last two games. If the Griz win both big it could add to their credibility. Close wins won't help a whole lot IMO.

 

[AZGrizFan]

We are definitely not in at 7-4

We are not definitely in at 8-3 which I know is shocking. Craig Haley on his recent podcast said there isn't enough room for both UM and EWU this year from the big sky because of that log jam ahead of us. So essentially he was saying that the committee will be more apt to choose a 7-4 EWU team over a 8-3 Griz team based on strength of schedule and the EWU heads up win over us.

I know this sucks to hear and usually 8-3 is automatic, but too many other strange variables at play. We need to hope for an EWU loss or for the wheels to come off of NAU.

I think there is about 0.00% chance of this happening. They're saying losing to NDSU by 30 is better than beating Savannah St. by 30? f***, with that logic MSU should be a lock for the playoffs. As should Indiana State and Missouri State.

I think the thought is that if eastern played Savannah or valpo instead of NDSU they would also be 8 -3 right now and they own a head to head over the Griz in Missoula. Not sure that’s right but it’s where he’s probably coming from...

Like I said...with that logic, if the bottom-feeders of the MFVC didn't have to play NDSU, SDSU, USD, etc., they'd all probably be playoff eligible too.

If ifs and buts were candy and nuts....