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Griz/ORU

84GRIZ said:
When you continually let other teams shoot in the mid to high 40% range from three point land you are not going to win to many games. With 9 minutes left in the game Oral Roberts was still above 50% from the three point area. This was a problem a month ago and has not been fixed. :twocents:
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#3 Ranked Kansas must have "let them" shoot them when ORU beat them at Kansas this season too. I am sure with you on the bench the Griz would never lose.
 
AtHomeInTheDahlbergDen said:
Yes, this team did beat kansas, but the Griz were talented enough to play with them and beat them.
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True, but the posters assertion the 3's beat them are ridiculous. The free throw line is where the Griz lost the game, that and poor shooting the first half. The Griz were outscored at the FT line by 16 in the second half. ORU was 1-5 in the second half from 3. The Griz won the battle in the paint, outrebounded ORU, outscored them on 2nd chance points, outscored them off the break. ORU outscored the Griz 22-8 off the bench, outscored the Griz by 6 in points off turnovers. The poster probably never watched or even listened to the game. He was just looking for a stat so he could criticize. If the Griz were not playing aggresive defense ORU would not have gotten to the line as much as they did. ORU has a very good team, UM cannot shoot like they did and stay with a team like that.
 
Grizbacker1 said:
AtHomeInTheDahlbergDen said:
Yes, this team did beat kansas, but the Griz were talented enough to play with them and beat them.
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True, but the posters assertion the 3's beat them are ridiculous. The free throw line is where the Griz lost the game, that and poor shooting the first half. The Griz were outscored at the FT line by 16 in the second half. ORU was 1-5 in the second half from 3. The Griz won the battle in the paint, outrebounded ORU, outscored them on 2nd chance points, outscored them off the break. ORU outscored the Griz 22-8 off the bench, outscored the Griz by 6 in points off turnovers. The poster probably never watched or even listened to the game. He was just looking for a stat so he could criticize. If the Griz were not playing aggresive defense ORU would not have gotten to the line as much as they did. ORU has a very good team, UM cannot shoot like they did and stay with a team like that.
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From what i've seen the first 5-7 minutes of our second halves have been rough. What was with Drew putting 15 down in the first half and only 6 in the second. This team needs consistency.

You're right though, defending the 3 was not what beat us.
 
Grizbacker, look at the stats. If you take out the three point shooting for the season we are shooting at 53.2% inside the 3 point line while are opponets are shooting at 45%. We can not defend or shoot the three this year and it is killing us. I am not trying to tell the coach what to do here just making an observation.

Stats through 12/19:

Griz Opponents

Ttl FG-FGA 302-645 46.8% 278-627 44.3%

3pt FG-FGA 87-241 36.1% 79-184 42.9%

2pt FG-FGA 215-404 53.2% 199-443 44.9%
 
84GRIZ said:
Grizbacker, look at the stats. If you take out the three point shooting for the season we are shooting at 53.2% inside the 3 point line while are opponets are shooting at 45%. We can not defend or shoot the three this year and it is killing us. I am not trying to tell the coach what to do here just making an observation.

Stats through 12/19:

Griz Opponents

Ttl FG-FGA 302-645 46.8% 278-627 44.3%

3pt FG-FGA 87-241 36.1% 79-184 42.9%

2pt FG-FGA 215-404 53.2% 199-443 44.9%
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The thread was about the game last night and that was the post you made. Now you want to move it to season stats to try and make your point. If you had been paying attention this season, many of us have commented on 3 point defense. This particular thread was about last night's game, period. You should know, you cited stats from the game. Anyone knows you can use stats to make nearly any arguement you wish. Thanks for playing though.
 
heh, the key tell of someone who lost an argument is when they change what they're trying to say. Yeah ORU did shoot well from beyond the arc last night (42%) but they only made one trey in the second half, when the Griz really fell behind. However, they did make 20 of 24 from the line in the second half. They scored 37 points in the second half, more than half being free throws. I think the problem is obvious.
 
So I guess the Griz going 2 out of 11 (18.2%) from 3 point land vs. Oral Roberts 5 of 9 (55.6%) in the first half had nothing to do with the loss??????? :moon:

By the way Griz shot 4 free throws in the 1st half vs. Oral Robert's 6. Oral Robert's did shoot 24 free throws in 2nd half but half of those were in the last 5 minutes.
 
We were down by 5 at the half. Not getting blown out bc ORU was draining threes. I'm saying the game was decided in the first 10-13 minutes of the second half and three-point shooting was not a big part of that.
 
Sorry to be nit-picky but we were down 8 at half time. You forgot the 3 pointer they scored with 1 second left in the half. :dance:

I am not saying that the beginning of the second half did not hurt also. We just miss Criswell and Mathews and need some of these new guys to step up.

I was hoping Martin would give us some outside shooting this year but he is shooting in the low 30%'s for the season and like 29% from 3 point land (ouch) and Ellis who I know is not a shooter is at 39% for both. I agree with having Rundles in there, he is shooting pretty good and should just keep getting better.
 
I was hoping Martin would give us some outside shooting this year but he is shooting in the low 30%'s for the season and like 29% from 3 point land (ouch) and Ellis who I know is not a shooter is at 39% for both. I agree with having Rundles in there, he is shooting pretty good and should just keep getting better.
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I almost Rundle should shoot even more. He is the only guard that can create his own shot.
Interesting clip here: http://streamingmedia.montanagrizzlies.com/umgriz/2006_2007/Griz_Basketb/Multimedia/vs_Boise_Sta/rundles_confidence.wmv
Does anyone know how I can save streaming WMV clips to my computer? Tried "save link target as" and it still streamed when i opened the file.
 
84GRIZ said:
So I guess the Griz going 2 out of 11 (18.2%) from 3 point land vs. Oral Roberts 5 of 9 (55.6%) in the first half had nothing to do with the loss??????? :moon:

By the way Griz shot 4 free throws in the 1st half vs. Oral Robert's 6. Oral Robert's did shoot 24 free throws in 2nd half but half of those were in the last 5 minutes.
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So you went from the Griz season long 3 Ptfg% D, to first half stats, to free throws, and anything else you can cling to. Keep going, sooner or later you will find something to support an arguement, since your initial thought was completely off topic. Better yet, say nothing, even a broken clock is correct twice a day. :dance:
 
Grizbacker,

Sorry for not making the perfect post initially that met your specifications. The last time that I looked at the team stat's during last night's game was with 9 minutes left in the game and Oral Robert's was over 50% from behind the 3 point line compared to our 24% (I think), I just used the season stats to prove my point.

If you remember during the West Virginia game the ESPN annoucers made the same observation that if you can not shoot a 3 or defend the 3 in today's college game you are not going to win many games.

It just seems to be a consistant problem with our team this year where last year with Criswell and Matthews it was not.
 
84GRIZ said:
Grizbacker,

Sorry for not making the perfect post initially that met your specifications. The last time that I looked at the team stat's during last night's game was with 9 minutes left in the game and Oral Robert's was over 50% from behind the 3 point line compared to our 24% (I think), I just used the season stats to prove my point.

If you remember during the West Virginia game the ESPN annoucers made the same observation that if you can not shoot a 3 or defend the 3 in today's college game you are not going to win many games.

It just seems to be a consistant problem with our team this year where last year with Criswell and Matthews it was not.
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Spare me the snide comment. You were the one who wasn't addressing the thread which was the game. It is funny, you miss 75% of it but you get right on the board and talk about 3 pt shooting, then you change the subject, then you go in 3 directions at the same time, then you make a smart ass comment.

As I mentioned before, the issue you now want to talk about has been discussed, and I don't think anyone disagrees. I guess I was out of line to think someone would speak to the specifics of the game on a thread entitled as such, and everyone but you was doing so. Using your logic and stat manipulation, Tinks is genius as ORU was held to 20% on 3 pt attempts the second half. That is the problem with stats. The game was lost at the free throw line. Here is a stat for you. 1/3 of all games are won or lost at the free throw line. :loser:
 
Grizbacker,

In a previous post you said it yourself the Griz lost the game "with their shooting in the first half". You mind telling me where they lost it if they were 8 of 15 inside and 2 of 11 from behind the line in the first half? It would appear to me that the three point shooting was just a tad off. O, sorry did I bring up stats again? :dope: :finger: :moon: :dope: :finger: :moon:

And by the way could you please enlighten the rest of us as to how much college basketball you played since apparently that is a prerequisite to post anything on this board. I thought I should be qualified since I drank beer with Larry K. a couple of times in 83 or 84. :beer2:
 
84GRIZ said:
Grizbacker,

In a previous post you said it yourself the Griz lost the game "with their shooting in the first half". You mind telling me where they lost it if they were 8 of 15 inside and 2 of 11 from behind the line in the first half? It would appear to me that the three point shooting was just a tad off. O, sorry did I bring up stats again? :dope: :finger: :moon: :dope: :finger: :moon:

And by the way could you please enlighten the rest of us as to how much college basketball you played since apparently that is a prerequisite to post anything on this board. I thought I should be qualified since I drank beer with Larry K. a couple of times in 83 or 84. :beer2:
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Nice try numbnuts, I said poor first half shooting and free throws. learn to read. I have a pretty good idea my credentials are far better than you. Gee, I have been to Krysko's house, whoopee doo. let me know when you actaully have a valid point :jack:
 
AtHomeInTheDahlbergDen said:
Earlier this stumbled past some griz players at a party hosted by my girlfriend's roommates but I do not remember it. Is that worth any credibility?
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You better ask 84 or he might flip you off. :thumb: :laugh:
 
Spanky said:
Grizbacker1 cranky?
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Not at all, just don't take crap from some jerkoff that can't support his opinion, so he changes the subject, misses again, then resorts to condescension as a response due to repeated failures to be credible. Other than that nitwit, I am having a great day.
 
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