Griz OL and DL size vs Cat OL & DL

[RobGriz]

So... I took a glance at the sizes of the starting O linemen for both NDSU and SHSU, clearly the two best teams in FCS last year and the preseason favorites to win in all in 2012. NDSU averages 292 up front, and SHSU averages 288. Please someone go tell them they aren't going to be any good because they're undersized... :lol:

Seriously not trying to argue with you but I think you may be a little off at least as far as NDSU is concerned:

77 Turner OT 6'6" 292
78 Cornick OT 6'6" 309
63 Richard OG 6'3" 314
68 Beckius OG 6'4" 298
73 Lund OC 6'2" 302

Which would make it a 303 average. Of note is the fact that they also have 2 redshirt freshmen over 300 and 1 true freshmen over 300 so they seem to be at least recruiting for size.

The Two Deep I was looking at is on their website, and was from August 21. Maybe it's been updated, I don't know. This is what I see on their site with the updated roster. Maybe a Bison fan can chime in on this one:

LT Billy Turner 300
LG Josh Colville 279
C Joe Lund 303
RG Tyler Gimmestad 298
RT Joe Haeg 280

My bad, I thought you were talking about last years O-line.

 

[poorgriz]

So... I took a glance at the sizes of the starting O linemen for both NDSU and SHSU, clearly the two best teams in FCS last year and the preseason favorites to win in all in 2012. NDSU averages 292 up front, and SHSU averages 288. Please someone go tell them they aren't going to be any good because they're undersized... :lol:

Seriously not trying to argue with you but I think you may be a little off at least as far as NDSU is concerned:

77 Turner OT 6'6" 292
78 Cornick OT 6'6" 309
63 Richard OG 6'3" 314
68 Beckius OG 6'4" 298
73 Lund OC 6'2" 302

Which would make it a 303 average. Of note is the fact that they also have 2 redshirt freshmen over 300 and 1 true freshmen over 300 so they seem to be at least recruiting for size.

The Two Deep I was looking at is on their website, and was from August 21. Maybe it's been updated, I don't know. This is what I see on their site with the updated roster. Maybe a Bison fan can chime in on this one:

LT Billy Turner 300
LG Josh Colville 279
C Joe Lund 303
RG Tyler Gimmestad 298
RT Joe Haeg 280

My bad, I thought you were talking about last years O-line.

Oh, no... I pulled up this year's for them and SHSU, but you're probably right - that would have been a better comparison considering they did win it all last year, and while even though they are picked to make it back to the title game... they haven't done squat this year!!!

My main point, obviously is that once you have guys in the 270 lb range, as long as they know how to use leverage, are strong, and smart... they can block anybody. Now if we were talking about fielding an O line full of 230 pounders here, I'd be worried.

 

[Growler1]

Scrafford, Gragg, Proctor come to mind

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I thought about both Scrafford and Proctor. But I believe Scrafford played more than 20 years ago, and Proctor only started because another dude was injured. You can hardly call him a starting NFL guard.

Hell, if we are going to talk about the past 50 years, let's include Tufulli Uperesa, Guy Bingham (who started many Years),Terry Flowers, Dave Urie, and Steve Okinowski.

My point still stands. If a 300+ lb. O-lineman is also quick, and can get low enough to run block, he will be playing on a FBS team. The FCS teams get the behemoths who can not move very well, but are huge. Most FCS teams have a couple of these guys playing now.

 

[RobGriz]

Scrafford, Gragg, Proctor come to mind

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I thought about both Scrafford and Proctor. But I believe Scrafford played more than 20 years ago, and Proctor only started because another dude was injured. You can hardly call him a starting NFL guard.

Hell, if we are going to talk about the past 50 years, let's include Tufulli Uperesa, Guy Bingham (who started many Years),Terry Flowers, Dave Urie, and Steve Okinowski.

My point still stands. If a 300+ lb. O-lineman is also quick, and can get low enough to run block, he will be playing on a FBS team. The FCS teams get the behemoths who can not move very well, but are huge. Most FCS teams have a couple of these guys playing now.

So where are you coaching? With your incredible insight and in-depth knowledge you have got to be coaching in the "League" or at least a scout OR an announcer, those bastards know everything. Come on! Quit sandbagging! Ron Jawarski, is that you? Or Joe Buck, maybe?

 

[Growler1]

Scrafford, Gragg, Proctor come to mind

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I thought about both Scrafford and Proctor. But I believe Scrafford played more than 20 years ago, and Proctor only started because another dude was injured. You can hardly call him a starting NFL guard.

Hell, if we are going to talk about the past 50 years, let's include Tufulli Uperesa, Guy Bingham (who started many Years),Terry Flowers, Dave Urie, and Steve Okinowski.

My point still stands. If a 300+ lb. O-lineman is also quick, and can get low enough to run block, he will be playing on a FBS team. The FCS teams get the behemoths who can not move very well, but are huge. Most FCS teams have a couple of these guys playing now.

So where are you coaching? With your incredible insight and in-depth knowledge you have got to be coaching in the "League" or at least a scout OR an announcer, those bastards know everything. Come on! Quit sandbagging! Ron Jawarski, is that you? Or Joe Buck, maybe?

Jealous much? Learn to spell

 

[RobGriz]

Scrafford, Gragg, Proctor come to mind

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I thought about both Scrafford and Proctor. But I believe Scrafford played more than 20 years ago, and Proctor only started because another dude was injured. You can hardly call him a starting NFL guard.

Hell, if we are going to talk about the past 50 years, let's include Tufulli Uperesa, Guy Bingham (who started many Years),Terry Flowers, Dave Urie, and Steve Okinowski.

My point still stands. If a 300+ lb. O-lineman is also quick, and can get low enough to run block, he will be playing on a FBS team. The FCS teams get the behemoths who can not move very well, but are huge. Most FCS teams have a couple of these guys playing now.

So where are you coaching? With your incredible insight and in-depth knowledge you have got to be coaching in the "League" or at least a scout OR an announcer, those bastards know everything. Come on! Quit sandbagging! Ron Jawarski, is that you? Or Joe Buck, maybe?

Jealous much? Learn to spell

You really got me there. :clap: :clap: :clap:

 

[WyomingGrizFan]

...I thought about...Scrafford...But I believe Scrafford played more than 20 years ago,..

Started 36 games for the San Francisco 49ers from the seasons inclusive 1995 to 1998 < http://www.nfl.com/player/kirkscrafford/2502877/careerstats" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

 

[Growler1]

...I thought about...Scrafford...But I believe Scrafford played more than 20 years ago,..

Started 36 games for the San Francisco 49ers from the seasons inclusive 1995 to 1998 < http://www.nfl.com/player/kirkscrafford/2502877/careerstats" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

O.K., so Kirk finished his career only 14 years ago. Gragg was previous to that. So, two O-line NFL starters is not exactly a sterling testimonial for the ability of an FCS team to recruit 300 lb. linemen who are also quick and can run block. Some of you dudes would argue with a mop.

 

[AZGrizFan]

...I thought about...Scrafford...But I believe Scrafford played more than 20 years ago,..

Started 36 games for the San Francisco 49ers from the seasons inclusive 1995 to 1998 < http://www.nfl.com/player/kirkscrafford/2502877/careerstats" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

O.K., so Kirk finished his career only 14 years ago. Gragg was previous to that. So, two O-line NFL starters is not exactly a sterling testimonial for the ability of an FCS team to recruit 300 lb. linemen who are also quick and can run block. Some of you dudes would argue with a mop.

Do "non-starters" not collect a paycheck in the NFL?

 

[Growler1]

...I thought about...Scrafford...But I believe Scrafford played more than 20 years ago,..

Started 36 games for the San Francisco 49ers from the seasons inclusive 1995 to 1998 < http://www.nfl.com/player/kirkscrafford/2502877/careerstats" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

O.K., so Kirk finished his career only 14 years ago. Gragg was previous to that. So, two O-line NFL starters is not exactly a sterling testimonial for the ability of an FCS team to recruit 300 lb. linemen who are also quick and can run block. Some of you dudes would argue with a mop.

Do "non-starters" not collect a paycheck in the NFL?

Why not ask the mop?

 

[Ashamed]

Growler is right. ALWAYS RIGHT. Why do you imbeciles question this guy? He schools you on every topic. Just give in to the fact that he has forgot more about the game of Foosball than any of you will ever hope to understand.

 

[WyomingGrizFan]

...I thought about...Scrafford...But I believe Scrafford played more than 20 years ago,..

Started 36 games for the San Francisco 49ers from the seasons inclusive 1995 to 1998 < http://www.nfl.com/player/kirkscrafford/2502877/careerstats" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

O.K., so Kirk finished his career only 14 years ago. Gragg was previous to that.

Scott Gragg, drafted in the Second Round of the 1995 NFL Draft - held 22-23 April 1995 - by the New York Giants. Started 64 games from 1996 to 1999; 78 games 2000-2004 and 7 games in 2005 for the NY Jets: http://www.nfl.com/player/scottgragg/2500854/profile" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

 

[AZGrizFan]

...I thought about...Scrafford...But I believe Scrafford played more than 20 years ago,..

Started 36 games for the San Francisco 49ers from the seasons inclusive 1995 to 1998 < http://www.nfl.com/player/kirkscrafford/2502877/careerstats" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

O.K., so Kirk finished his career only 14 years ago. Gragg was previous to that.

Scott Gragg, drafted in the Second Round of the 1995 NFL Draft - held 22-23 April 1995 - by the New York Giants. Started 64 games from 1996 to 1999; 78 games 2000-2004 and 7 games in 2005 for the NY Jets: http://www.nfl.com/player/scottgragg/2500854/profile" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Growler's facts exist in his own mind only. He'll PM them to you if you ask.

 

[WyomingGrizFan]

Started 36 games for the San Francisco 49ers from the seasons inclusive 1995 to 1998 < http://www.nfl.com/player/kirkscrafford/2502877/careerstats" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

O.K., so Kirk finished his career only 14 years ago. Gragg was previous to that.

Scott Gragg, drafted in the Second Round of the 1995 NFL Draft - held 22-23 April 1995 - by the New York Giants. Started 64 games from 1996 to 1999; 78 games 2000-2004 and 7 games in 2005 for the NY Jets: http://www.nfl.com/player/scottgragg/2500854/profile" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Growler's facts exist in his own mind only. He'll PM them to you if you ask.

Thanks for the hint but I think that I forgot how to PM.

 

[Growler1]

O.K., so Kirk finished his career only 14 years ago. Gragg was previous to that.

Scott Gragg, drafted in the Second Round of the 1995 NFL Draft - held 22-23 April 1995 - by the New York Giants. Started 64 games from 1996 to 1999; 78 games 2000-2004 and 7 games in 2005 for the NY Jets: http://www.nfl.com/player/scottgragg/2500854/profile" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Growler's facts exist in his own mind only. He'll PM them to you if you ask.

Thanks for the hint but I think that I forgot how to PM.

Were you always a tool or is it a more recent occurrence?

 

[WyomingGrizFan]

Were you always a tool or is it a more recent occurrence?

Why get down on me, D-U-D-E? I was but stating the facts; I can't help it if you don't know what you're talking about. That's your problem. And as it is a personal problem at that, on your part, as evidenced by the fact that such common knowledge can easily be accessed, please keep it to yourself. I wouldn't care to PM you on ANYTHING. I might catch something or other and I know for a FACT I wouldn't want whatever you got. So I hope I do forget to do so if in fact the thought ever raises it's demented little head sometime. Believe me. PLEASE.

 

[RobGriz]

Started 36 games for the San Francisco 49ers from the seasons inclusive 1995 to 1998 < http://www.nfl.com/player/kirkscrafford/2502877/careerstats" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

O.K., so Kirk finished his career only 14 years ago. Gragg was previous to that. So, two O-line NFL starters is not exactly a sterling testimonial for the ability of an FCS team to recruit 300 lb. linemen who are also quick and can run block. Some of you dudes would argue with a mop.

Do "non-starters" not collect a paycheck in the NFL?

Why not ask the mop?

BAZINGA!!!! He burnt your ass with that one AZGrizFan. :roll:

 

[RobGriz]

Scott Gragg, drafted in the Second Round of the 1995 NFL Draft - held 22-23 April 1995 - by the New York Giants. Started 64 games from 1996 to 1999; 78 games 2000-2004 and 7 games in 2005 for the NY Jets: http://www.nfl.com/player/scottgragg/2500854/profile" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Growler's facts exist in his own mind only. He'll PM them to you if you ask.

Thanks for the hint but I think that I forgot how to PM.

Were you always a tool or is it a more recent occurrence?

DUDE, you can't call anyone a tool after posting this gem:
"O.K., so Kirk finished his career only 14 years ago. Gragg was previous to that." :thumb:
F'ing oblivious

 

[HighLineGRIZ]

Huge linemen like ours are much better at pass blocking than run blocking. Don't underestimate the Cats O-line strictly on their weights. They may not be any good, but the weight argument carries little weight, with no pun intended!

It's a very legitimate argument. Weight is very important for lineman. That is why incoming lineman spend so much time in the weightroom and in the cafeteria. Also, for the Tackle position, agility is more important for pass blocking than run blocking.

 

[jjohnston]

Scrafford, Gragg, Proctor come to mind

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I thought about both Scrafford and Proctor. But I believe Scrafford played more than 20 years ago, and Proctor only started because another dude was injured. You can hardly call him a starting NFL guard.

Hell, if we are going to talk about the past 50 years, let's include Tufulli Uperesa, Guy Bingham (who started many Years),Terry Flowers, Dave Urie, and Steve Okinowski.

My point still stands. If a 300+ lb. O-lineman is also quick, and can get low enough to run block, he will be playing on a FBS team. The FCS teams get the behemoths who can not move very well, but are huge. Most FCS teams have a couple of these guys playing now.

...so Proctor started, but we can't call him a starter?