Griz Offense Sucks

[mtgrizrule]

527 yards of total offense. The coaches didn't throw the 2 picks into double (and triple) coverage. The coaches didn't give up a punt return for a TD to Kupp.

No, but the offense was pretty inconsistent this game and most games until the staff decides to let JJ play by taking the reigns off him. Reigns on + JJ= Inconsistent offense. Reigns off JJ= reliable to terrific offense. How many of those 527 yards were after the GRIZ got down 23 points?

 

[AZGrizFan]

It's actually totally embarrassing. JJ deserves so much better. We're averaging 3 & 10 on 9 out of 10 3rd down attempts. What does that tell you?

The Griz were 8-17 on 3rd down vs. 6-14 for EWU, what's your point.

If you don't get that consistently being in 3rd and 10 situations is bad, then I don't know what to tell you. Just because Eastern had were in similar situations does not justify our staff doing the same.

On the first drive, we only had one 3rd down, it happened to be 3rd & 10, and that was the play that JJ threw the INT.

2nd drive again only one 3rd down and it was 3rd & 9.

3rd drive we were 3 an out with 3rd and 12, but 1st & 2nd down were both attempted passes, not runs.

4th drive we had 3rd &1, 3rd & 5 and 3rd & 10

5th drive 3rd & 8

6th drive (our first TD) there was only 1 3rd down and it was 3rd & 15

7th drive only 1 3rd down, 3rd & 15 and it was converted

8th drive only 1 3rd down, 3rd & 8, but 1st & 2nd down were both passes

9th drive 3rd & 12 (converted) and 3rd & 10

10th drive was the 1 play 61 yard TD so no 3rd downs

11th drive was 1 3rd and 8, and that was where Johnson threw the 38 yard TD (so, converted )

12th drive 3rd & 1, 3rd and 1, 3rd and 6

13th drive 3rd and 2 and 3rd and 10/15/20 (2 successive penalties )

14th drive only one 3rd down, 3rd and 2, which was converted (was the final play of the game)

So, 17 3rd downs, if you consider 7 or more yards as "3rd and long" 12 of those 17 were 3rd and long. Of course, unless you look at the play calling leading UP to the 3rd and long, you can't blanketly blame coaches for "putting us in 3rd and long consistently". More than a few times we got there by throwing two incomplete passes on 1st & 2nd downs...

 

[AZGrizFan]

527 yards of total offense. The coaches didn't throw the 2 picks into double (and triple) coverage. The coaches didn't give up a punt return for a TD to Kupp.

No, but the offense was pretty inconsistent this game and most games until the staff decides to let JJ play by taking the reigns off him. Reigns on + JJ= Inconsistent offense. Reigns off JJ= reliable to terrific offense. How many of those 527 yards were after the GRIZ got down 23 points?

11+61+51+ 35+56+52 = 268 in about a quarter and a half. But keep in mind by that time BOTH INT's had already been thrown, AND the PR for a TD had just happened, ALL contributing to us being down 23 points. We were moving the ball against them, just not finishing drives.

 

[George Ferguson]

The offense moved the ball fine ALL DAY through the air. BOTH picks were on Jordan Johnson, not the play calling. Anybody would have to be completely ignorant to blame the friggin coaches on those throws or the play calling, and JJ WILL BE THE FIRST GUY to step up and put those mistakes on himself. As any good quarterback and leader would do. There's NO WAY you can throw for 400 yards and go for over 500 in total and say an offense sucks. I'm sorry, and yes, I think at times this season, the play calling has indeed been suspect, but the bottom line is, when you go up and down the field FOR ALL FOUR QUARTERS, like the Griz did today, and only come away with 26 points, that's an EXECUTION issue.

Delaney has his faults, no question, and I think the co-coordinator thing needs to go, BUT, IF the Montana Grizzlies had played the EXACT SAME GAME today, with the same offensive numbers and the same final score, and Don Read, Joe Glenn or Robin Pflugrad was the head coach, many of you guys would be singing a different tune. Or maybe not. Since Chris did such a wonderful thing and invented Egriz, I can't remember a single head coach for the Grizzlies NOT being thrown under the bus after every loss. AND by many of the same posters. Some of you guys have really bad memories.

 

[Fahque]

Our offense definitely move the ball but it was not for all four quarters. We moved it well at the very beginning and from about half way through the third quarter on but space in between we went virtually nowhere

 

[Umista]

If any think this outdated offense is OK then U might consider getting medical advice concerning your slight case of demented demise..... Outdated coaching by an old man out of touch. Pure and simple and that is why coaches get fired and do not keep being the head coach and as a result become an assistant other places. Delaney will not get fired but will retire at the end of this season. Heck yeah, he did his best but we need better.

 

[EverettGriz]

We outgained Eastern by 60 yards.

Their offense must really suck....

 

[1Griz_Fan]

It's actually totally embarrassing. JJ deserves so much better. We're averaging 3 & 10 on 9 out of 10 3rd down attempts. What does that tell you?

The Griz were 8-17 on 3rd down vs. 6-14 for EWU, what's your point.

If you don't get that consistently being in 3rd and 10 situations is bad, then I don't know what to tell you. Just because Eastern had were in similar situations does not justify our staff doing the same.

On the first drive, we only had one 3rd down, it happened to be 3rd & 10, and that was the play that JJ threw the INT.

2nd drive again only one 3rd down and it was 3rd & 9.

3rd drive we were 3 an out with 3rd and 12, but 1st & 2nd down were both attempted passes, not runs.

4th drive we had 3rd &1, 3rd & 5 and 3rd & 10

5th drive 3rd & 8

6th drive (our first TD) there was only 1 3rd down and it was 3rd & 15

7th drive only 1 3rd down, 3rd & 15 and it was converted

8th drive only 1 3rd down, 3rd & 8, but 1st & 2nd down were both passes

9th drive 3rd & 12 (converted) and 3rd & 10

10th drive was the 1 play 61 yard TD so no 3rd downs

11th drive was 1 3rd and 8, and that was where Johnson threw the 38 yard TD (so, converted )

12th drive 3rd & 1, 3rd and 1, 3rd and 6

13th drive 3rd and 2 and 3rd and 10/15/20 (2 successive penalties )

14th drive only one 3rd down, 3rd and 2, which was converted (was the final play of the game)

So, 17 3rd downs, if you consider 7 or more yards as "3rd and long" 12 of those 17 were 3rd and long. Of course, unless you look at the play calling leading UP to the 3rd and long, you can't blanketly blame coaches for "putting us in 3rd and long consistently". More than a few times we got there by throwing two incomplete passes on 1st & 2nd downs...

The play action pass seemed to work well on the opening drive and then it seemed they went away from it around the time they focused on a handful of consecutive runs to the right. They didn't call a terrible game, but the little trick play and then the runs being stuffed ruined the momentum and seemed to place the offense in panic three and out mode for much too long.

 

[IdaGriz01]

Lets compare the stats for two games. As several people have pointed out, the Griz won the stat battle against EWU (except, obviously, the total score), a so-called offensive powerhouse. So I thought I’d throw in another comparison.

Today, #2 New Hampshire clubbed Rhode Island, 41-14. The Rams are just pitiful this year. By rights, one would expect UNH to pile up stats worthy of an offensive powerhouse. The Griz played #5 EWU which -- while it is no defensive juggernaut -- are at least competitive. So how did the numbers stack up?

First downs: 23 UNH : 24 UM : 20 EWU
Total yards: 534 UNH : 527 UM : 461 EWU
Passing: 390 UNH : 447 UM : 410 EWU
Yard/pass: 10.8 UNH : 8.6 UM : 11.1 EWU
Rushing: 144 UNH : 80 UM : 51 EWU
Yards /rush: 4.5 UNH : 3.1 UM : 1.6 EWU
Penalties: 5 for 50 yards UNH : 7 for 40 UM : 4 for 31 UWU
Turnovers: 0 UNH : 2 UM : 1 EWU
TOP: 34:42 min UNH : 31:17 UM : 28.43 EWU

UNH had slightly more “balance” than the Griz, but still relied mostly on the passing game. In the end, the Griz outgained that offensive powerhouse, EWU, and pretty well matched the #2 team in the country playing a really bad team. The Griz lost, basically because of turnovers, and the inability of the defense to contain the EWU offense. And BTW, the Griz “won” -- slightly -- the TOP battle, so you can’t say they got worn down.

Sorry, but the numbers simply do not bear out the notion that the “Griz Offense Sucks.” Was there a lack of execution at key moments? Obviously. Did they have trouble finishing drives? Seems like. But the 26 points they scored is more than ten (eleven if you count only regulation time) ranked teams did this weekend (winners and losers).

 

[mcg]

527 yards of total offense. The coaches didn't throw the 2 picks into double (and triple) coverage. The coaches didn't give up a punt return for a TD to Kupp.

Yep. The whole "we've got great players but the coaches won't let 'em play" line of thought is horse s**t.

 

[EverettGriz]

527 yards of total offense. The coaches didn't throw the 2 picks into double (and triple) coverage. The coaches didn't give up a punt return for a TD to Kupp.

Yep. The whole "we've got great players but the coaches won't let 'em play" line of thought is horse s**t.

This.


Look, I love and respect Jordy. But he isn't the same player this year, and his decision making has been very questionable at times, particularly today. The two picks were inexecusable. And they both came when UM had all the momentum.

 

[EverettGriz]

The offense moved the ball fine ALL DAY through the air. BOTH picks were on Jordan Johnson, not the play calling. Anybody would have to be completely ignorant to blame the friggin coaches on those throws or the play calling, and JJ WILL BE THE FIRST GUY to step up and put those mistakes on himself. As any good quarterback and leader would do. There's NO WAY you can throw for 400 yards and go for over 500 in total and say an offense sucks. I'm sorry, and yes, I think at times this season, the play calling has indeed been suspect, but the bottom line is, when you go up and down the field FOR ALL FOUR QUARTERS, like the Griz did today, and only come away with 26 points, that's an EXECUTION issue.

Delaney has his faults, no question, and I think the co-coordinator thing needs to go, BUT, IF the Montana Grizzlies had played the EXACT SAME GAME today, with the same offensive numbers and the same final score, and Don Read, Joe Glenn or Robin Pflugrad was the head coach, many of you guys would be singing a different tune. Or maybe not. Since Chris did such a wonderful thing and invented Egriz, I can't remember a single head coach for the Grizzlies NOT being thrown under the bus after every loss. AND by many of the same posters. Some of you guys have really bad memories.

Sorry, I missed this post earlier.

That's a great post, Hav. SPOT on.

 

[qwerty15ster]

The offense moved the ball fine ALL DAY through the air. BOTH picks were on Jordan Johnson, not the play calling. Anybody would have to be completely ignorant to blame the friggin coaches on those throws or the play calling, and JJ WILL BE THE FIRST GUY to step up and put those mistakes on himself. As any good quarterback and leader would do. There's NO WAY you can throw for 400 yards and go for over 500 in total and say an offense sucks. I'm sorry, and yes, I think at times this season, the play calling has indeed been suspect, but the bottom line is, when you go up and down the field FOR ALL FOUR QUARTERS, like the Griz did today, and only come away with 26 points, that's an EXECUTION issue.

Delaney has his faults, no question, and I think the co-coordinator thing needs to go, BUT, IF the Montana Grizzlies had played the EXACT SAME GAME today, with the same offensive numbers and the same final score, and Don Read, Joe Glenn or Robin Pflugrad was the head coach, many of you guys would be singing a different tune. Or maybe not. Since Chris did such a wonderful thing and invented Egriz, I can't remember a single head coach for the Grizzlies NOT being thrown under the bus after every loss. AND by many of the same posters. Some of you guys have really bad memories.

Sorry, I missed this post earlier.

That's a great post, Hav. SPOT on.

+2

 

[kemajic]

527 yards of total offense. The coaches didn't throw the 2 picks into double (and triple) coverage. The coaches didn't give up a punt return for a TD to Kupp.

Yep. The whole "we've got great players but the coaches won't let 'em play" line of thought is horse s**t.

This.


Look, I love and respect Jordy. But he isn't the same player this year, and his decision making has been very questionable at times, particularly today. The two picks were inexecusable. And they both came when UM had all the momentum.

Yes, 15 TD passes vs. 4 ints are really, really bad numbers.

 

[kemajic]

527 yards of total offense. The coaches didn't throw the 2 picks into double (and triple) coverage. The coaches didn't give up a punt return for a TD to Kupp.

Yep. The whole "we've got great players but the coaches won't let 'em play" line of thought is horse s**t.

But the coaches did waste two timeouts in the second half and caused two delay of game penalties with late signals. The coaches also called a run up the gut for the two point conversion. Every coach does that, right?

 

[bearister]

When the Griz stopped being run-first, they suddenly got very hard to defend. That happened right after the TD punt return. The coaches were at least smart enough to know that the only way back into the game was to throw it on every down. Yes, JJ threw two bad ints, one of which led to points. But he wasn't the one that called a TD pass an incompletion, nor did he let a sure TD bounce off his face mask when a touchdown gets the Griz w/in 3 with plenty of time left. That would be the zebras and Ryan Burke, respectively. EWU made great plays when they needed to to get a big lead and the Griz had a real chance to pull this game out in the end. O-line still can't block the run consistently, but their pass-blocking was pretty darn good. I for one am proud of how this team competed. All they can do now is win convincingly the next two weeks and see where they end up. I think competitive road losses against an FBS team and two teams in the FCS top 5 should be worth a lot, but I don't get a vote.

 

[EverettGriz]

527 yards of total offense. The coaches didn't throw the 2 picks into double (and triple) coverage. The coaches didn't give up a punt return for a TD to Kupp.

Yep. The whole "we've got great players but the coaches won't let 'em play" line of thought is horse s**t.

This.


Look, I love and respect Jordy. But he isn't the same player this year, and his decision making has been very questionable at times, particularly today. The two picks were inexecusable. And they both came when UM had all the momentum.

Yes, 15 TD passes vs. 4 ints are really, really bad numbers.

No one is saying he sucks, Kem. But you can't aruge those two INTs today were terrible decisions. Take those away and the Griz likely win that game. And you can in no way attribute them to the staff. That's what's being said here. Disagree if you wish, but don't purposely misintrepret what others are saying.

 

[monte is a character]

It's actually totally embarrassing. JJ deserves so much better. We're averaging 3 & 10 on 9 out of 10 3rd down attempts. What does that tell you?

Love him, but JJ made a lot of poor decisions today and missed open receivers. Call out the staff if you wish. I won't necessarily argue with you. But jordy's poor decisions cost us as much as anything in this game.

I totally agree with you. JJ hasn't been himself for a lot of this season, not just this game. Yes, a lot of that is on him, but it is at least equally on an offensive line that's had him running for his life for most of the season and an offensive scheme that completely fails to take advantage of his talents.

When are you guys going to figure out that JJ has been forced to play in an offensive scheme in which he can not excel? He is a spread QB being asked to be a drop-back QB. I keep reading about "JJ has not been himself all season". He is the same kid who was awesome as a sophomore. QBs who are great as sophomores don't suddenly suck as seniors. It is the system, my friend.

 

[kemajic]

Look, I love and respect Jordy. But he isn't the same player this year, and his decision making has been very questionable at times, particularly today. The two picks were inexecusable. And they both came when UM had all the momentum.

Yes, 15 TD passes vs. 4 ints are really, really bad numbers.

No one is saying he sucks, Kem. But you can't aruge those two INTs today were terrible decisions. Take those away and the Griz likely win that game. And you can in no way attribute them to the staff. That's what's being said here. Disagree if you wish, but don't purposely misintrepret what others are saying.

Not misinterpreting anything. Every QB has ints; if you're going to pick at a JJ weakness, this is the wrong place. In your game of "what if" add the obscene ref call on the TD and the Burke drop and we "likely win that game." With the ints. 4 for the whole year.

 

[timjayko]

It's actually totally embarrassing. JJ deserves so much better. We're averaging 3 & 10 on 9 out of 10 3rd down attempts. What does that tell you?

Love him, but JJ made a lot of poor decisions today and missed open receivers. Call out the staff if you wish. I won't necessarily argue with you. But jordy's poor decisions cost us as much as anything in this game.

I totally agree with you. JJ hasn't been himself for a lot of this season, not just this game. Yes, a lot of that is on him, but it is at least equally on an offensive line that's had him running for his life for most of the season and an offensive scheme that completely fails to take advantage of his talents.

When are you guys going to figure out that JJ has been forced to play in an offensive scheme in which he can not excel? He is a spread QB being asked to be a drop-back QB. I keep reading about "JJ has not been himself all season". He is the same kid who was awesome as a sophomore. QBs who are great as sophomores don't suddenly suck as seniors. It is the system, my friend.

Yeah honestly I wish MT had an air raid spread play book instead