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Griz Nation needs to do better, and it starts with me
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griznation23
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Wow B', I Agree 100 percent! Maybe that is why I haven't got on egriz as much as I used to, way too much negative. But I also have to take step back and remember that a lot of these are kids and that my negativity toward anybody doesn't help either. Good post and Go Griz!!! :thumb: Griz Nation for Life :clap:
I agree with your post with the exception of being critical of players. We all enjoy the griz and sports because of emotional stimulation. That includes happy moments and sadly negative moments. There cannot exist happy moments without sad ones. And I think it's unrealistic to accept the good without the bad. We all got to experience the good of great secondary players for the past years and now we have 2 of the worst safeties we've ever had and I'm sorry but it's unrealistic to ask thousands of fans to watch the self implosion and smile and say, "o well"
Same can be said for our o line.
Same can be said for our o line.
Eriul said:
I think though there's a line that can be crossed. So lets say a player drops a few passes. Sure the fans in the stadium will groan, the player will catch hell on the sideline, and discussions will take place about it. But then there's coming on here and ripping the kid, using a public forum be it a message board or social media to vent and tear the guy apart.
No way can anyone just ignore the frustrations, I'm not saying that, because you're right sports is a mix of good and bad.
As for the comment on the safeties. The worst we've ever had? Come on. While they're not without issues both are playing significantly better than last year. Hermey is tackling very well, Tully has improved as well and he's forcing turnovers this year too. Coach Cookus has maybe been one of the best new additions to the coaching staff as he's helped these two guys both had real rough 2012 seasons turn the corner. We come from such a high expectation of safety play in years past, at times we need to realize that not every starting safety at the UM is the next Colt Anderson or Schann Schillenger.
Grizmayor
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90% of the problem I believe is that Griznation is convinced every player we recruit has been stolen away from Pac-10 or Mountain West conference powerhouse - that OUR recruiting classes year-in and year-out is the best in FCS West. Then low-and-behold... every week we see outstanding players pop up on the underbelly of the Big Sky Conference that just wow and amaze us! I've been a critic of Jordy's because of a lack of a big arm, but there's no denying his accuracy. We have our Uber-Hypers on this board that were promoting him as a legit Payton Award finalist. Well, I think we all see that I MIGHT be right when I say JJ is a decent quarterback, but he's been soundly out-played by the opposing QB in several games this season. I would have traded 9 out of the 11 Griz defenders straight up for their counterparts from Cal Poly... and a tenth, Coyle vs. that #41 Monster MLB for the Mustangs, was a push. I always want to believe we get the BEST out there to come to WaGriz, but as we've been witness to, that AIN'T happening anymore.
I see that JJ has evolved from having a weak arm to not having a big arm.
I'd still take JJ over any qb I've seen UM play this year. Smarter, fewer mistakes, great when game is on the line, great leader. The EWU qb may have bigger stats and may even be "better", but I'd rather have JJ on my team.
I'd still take JJ over any qb I've seen UM play this year. Smarter, fewer mistakes, great when game is on the line, great leader. The EWU qb may have bigger stats and may even be "better", but I'd rather have JJ on my team.
BIGskyFan33
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The negativity and unprecedented shit talk is a direct result of UM's legal fiascos and the football program no longer being the bsc power house. Many jizz fans are unable to cope with this reality and revert to neanderthal behavior. Other team's fans come here and poke you with a stick and enjoy the show. It's kind of heartless and lacks empathy but it is quite entertaining to witness the fall of a giant..especially when so many of the fans are entitled little dick bags. ..poke poke 
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I had some long post written about how bad out safeties actually are but I guess to sum up my response would be name me a year where we had 2 worse starting safeties then these 2 in the last 20 years...
I don't want to derail your post as I agree but criticism of players is something they deserve if they don't live up to expectations that we as montana have. They get all the benefits of being grizzlies and with that comes living under a microscope.
AZGrizFan said:
It's a competitive conference now. People are having a tough time accepting that. Some (including me) bitched about the OPSU game (that should have never been scheduled) then bitch when we have tough games against conference foes. I wish the Griz would stop taking it down to the wire, but I have to admit, I have watched three very exciting football games this year.
BIGskyFan33 said:The negativity and unprecedented shit talk is a direct result of UM's legal fiascos and the football program no longer being the bsc power house. Many jizz fans are unable to cope with this reality and revert to neanderthal behavior. Other team's fans come here and poke you with a stick and enjoy the show. It's kind of heartless and lacks empathy but it is quite entertaining to witness the fall of a giant..especially when so many of the fans are entitled little dick bags. ..poke poke
Others teams fans come here because they get tired of "chatting" with the same three people on their site.
catdaddy7
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I know I personally post more over here during the off-season because the conversations
are quite a bit calmer. I like discussing football with other BS and FCS fans that I know
enjoy the same thing. We all have opinions and ego's, it's pretty easy to get sucked
into a pissing match with braying donkeys that live to incite,(and they come in all
colors). I don't feel I represent MSU very well if I troll around being a smart-ass even
if someone maligns our players, coaches, fanbase, waterboys or whatever. It just
doesn't show well for the school. Good post Brint. :thumb:
are quite a bit calmer. I like discussing football with other BS and FCS fans that I know
enjoy the same thing. We all have opinions and ego's, it's pretty easy to get sucked
into a pissing match with braying donkeys that live to incite,(and they come in all
colors). I don't feel I represent MSU very well if I troll around being a smart-ass even
if someone maligns our players, coaches, fanbase, waterboys or whatever. It just
doesn't show well for the school. Good post Brint. :thumb:
B, you are one of the few of us willing to put our own names out there, and just that simple fact makes you be held to a higher standard than most all EGrizzers. I have rarely seen anything said negative about any player as a person, just mostly this season players are being called out for missed blocks and missed tackles. Not sure why we all seem to have so much negativity this season, but most posts are made about negative things, because posters are not going to post much about positive things and plays that we all agree on.
CV Griz Fan
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Eriul said:
This is a good example of unrealistic fan expectations IMO.Just because many great safeties have played for UM that doesn't mean that every recruited safety is automatically the next Colt Anderson or Tim Hauck. Interestingly, both of the current starters were "touted",at one time or another, as the next "great Griz safety". Go back and review some of the past E-Griz posts. Some on this board even suggested Hermanson was the next Griz NFL safety prospect. How can a player live up to some of those crazy expectations? It's the old "Over promise and under deliver phenomenon". If the player had under promised and over delivered, then all would be fine. They 'd have exceeded everyone's "expectations ". I think when you have a " rabid " fan base, like the Griz do, it can lead to these types of issues.
Brint,
The reality is we are one of the most spoiled fan bases in all of sports, not just college football. Winning seasons, playoff appearances, & championships set a high bar. When the team struggles, the natives will become restless. Given we aren’t located in Tuscaloosa or Tallahassee; we’ve also had a disproportionate number of players go onto the NFL & CFL in the past decade. And as you may have already noted, it’s tough to fill the shoes of stars like Harris, Anderson, Schillinger, Johnson, Biermann, Reynolds, Carpenter and on and on. Guys like these on contiguous teams aren't the norm in the FCS.
And while no-one is rooting against them, there are some underlying issues that are going to need to be addressed pretty soon, or it will result in continued program erosion. One of those issues is the University itself. How much longer are we going to have to put up with every other TV commercial during a UM game being one touting the superior opportunities @ MSU? Even if there was a reason to put together our own advertisements, is there really anything to compare to or counter with? Kids in high school today know that their choices of college major will greatly impact their earnings opportunities go-forward. And for what it’s costing now, any misstep here can be a huge burden for the student and parents for years to come. If we don't address this, we’re going to continue to lose recruits – the University isn’t as relevant to today as it needs to be. You're much closer than I am, what is the University doing to make itself relevant such that they can attract and retain all kinds of students that will attract the dollars it will take to make these programs possible? From where I sit, it not enough. Engstrom & his minion’s needs to get on this or the board needs to show him the door.
In twenty or so games, we’ve seen Delaney’s potential and I think all would agree that his isn’t a long-term solution given that he’s 72. He’s truly a great man, and God bless him for getting us to here, given the mess Pflu & O’Day left. In the background, it’s my hope that Haslam is working on a succession plan, just like any practical business leader would do. Am not sure a successor is on the current roster of coaches, and no one cares whether I think there is or isn’t. I only know that not being prepared will only lead to a longer road to travel in a return to expectation, when the change occurs, and occur it will.
Everyone needs to temper their own expectations. After all, we're are talking about college kids, who leave it all out on the field every week. These kids know the history and traditions as well as any of us, so we don’t need to put any more pressure on them. They know they’re standing on the shoulders of countless Grizzlies players and coaches before them. That success in the past couple of decades only served as motivation for everyone else in the BigSky to get on-board, which as come home to roost. As someone already said, we're not going to be 14-0 every year and if that's the expectation, well... you're going to be disappointed. Let’s fix the underlying problems so we can get back on a level playing field rather than continuing to slide down the slope. Once we get there, the rest will take care of itself.
The reality is we are one of the most spoiled fan bases in all of sports, not just college football. Winning seasons, playoff appearances, & championships set a high bar. When the team struggles, the natives will become restless. Given we aren’t located in Tuscaloosa or Tallahassee; we’ve also had a disproportionate number of players go onto the NFL & CFL in the past decade. And as you may have already noted, it’s tough to fill the shoes of stars like Harris, Anderson, Schillinger, Johnson, Biermann, Reynolds, Carpenter and on and on. Guys like these on contiguous teams aren't the norm in the FCS.
And while no-one is rooting against them, there are some underlying issues that are going to need to be addressed pretty soon, or it will result in continued program erosion. One of those issues is the University itself. How much longer are we going to have to put up with every other TV commercial during a UM game being one touting the superior opportunities @ MSU? Even if there was a reason to put together our own advertisements, is there really anything to compare to or counter with? Kids in high school today know that their choices of college major will greatly impact their earnings opportunities go-forward. And for what it’s costing now, any misstep here can be a huge burden for the student and parents for years to come. If we don't address this, we’re going to continue to lose recruits – the University isn’t as relevant to today as it needs to be. You're much closer than I am, what is the University doing to make itself relevant such that they can attract and retain all kinds of students that will attract the dollars it will take to make these programs possible? From where I sit, it not enough. Engstrom & his minion’s needs to get on this or the board needs to show him the door.
In twenty or so games, we’ve seen Delaney’s potential and I think all would agree that his isn’t a long-term solution given that he’s 72. He’s truly a great man, and God bless him for getting us to here, given the mess Pflu & O’Day left. In the background, it’s my hope that Haslam is working on a succession plan, just like any practical business leader would do. Am not sure a successor is on the current roster of coaches, and no one cares whether I think there is or isn’t. I only know that not being prepared will only lead to a longer road to travel in a return to expectation, when the change occurs, and occur it will.
Everyone needs to temper their own expectations. After all, we're are talking about college kids, who leave it all out on the field every week. These kids know the history and traditions as well as any of us, so we don’t need to put any more pressure on them. They know they’re standing on the shoulders of countless Grizzlies players and coaches before them. That success in the past couple of decades only served as motivation for everyone else in the BigSky to get on-board, which as come home to roost. As someone already said, we're not going to be 14-0 every year and if that's the expectation, well... you're going to be disappointed. Let’s fix the underlying problems so we can get back on a level playing field rather than continuing to slide down the slope. Once we get there, the rest will take care of itself.
CV Griz Fan said:
Woah woah I said nothing about how I expected them to play. In fact at no point have I ever thought either of these safeties are any good. And I get that we've had good secondary in the past but were the griz. We are a top 10 fcs team and I expect our players to live up to that. Our safeties are by far the worst in the big sky and some of te worst in the entire fcs.
And before you go ahead and say I'm overly critiquing maybe look at some of the passing stats opposing qbs have put on us in the last 2 years and then watch those games and tell me our safeties didn't play like shit. Ewu, sac state, nd. All 3 of those games in the last 2 years have put up video game numbers on our team and most of it was due to poor safety play.
Here's another vote for more civility. I don't post but read the forum frequently. I can fully understand the frustration from last season, it was a pretty trying time to be a Griz fan. This season is a whole different story, however, and while the team is hardly dominating, its record is great!
I think there are several factors at play here. There is the coaching staff haters, who don't seem to care whether the team wins or loses, and keep dissing the coaching team regardless. Then there are those with some kind of superiority complex who fail to realize that there are some great teams in the conference now that are absolutely on par with the Griz. This could be related to the 'move-up' meme of recent years, with fans considering the Big Sky not worthy of UM membership and wanting the Griz to play better teams. They are probably perturbed now that the Griz no longer dominate and thus the 'must move up' argument is going away.
Lastly, Griz fans should count themselves extremely lucky to have a capable quarterback leading the team. After what JJ had to go through it would have been no surprise to see him wanting to leave UM. And the Griz would be where they were last season with the quarterback choices and a record to match.
I have enjoyed the games this season, other than the NAU game. Watching from afar - I caught most games on Root or bigskytv, I see lots of determination and talent, and each home game is still special, even though the crowd does take its sweet time to return from halftime
Sometimes I have to wonder whether this is a fan forum or a place to b*tch and moan and exchange insults.
Go Griz!
Btw, when I got to the parking lot at work the other day, I had a Go Cats note stuck on my windshield (Griz stickers clearly identify me). Can't wait for that game!
I think there are several factors at play here. There is the coaching staff haters, who don't seem to care whether the team wins or loses, and keep dissing the coaching team regardless. Then there are those with some kind of superiority complex who fail to realize that there are some great teams in the conference now that are absolutely on par with the Griz. This could be related to the 'move-up' meme of recent years, with fans considering the Big Sky not worthy of UM membership and wanting the Griz to play better teams. They are probably perturbed now that the Griz no longer dominate and thus the 'must move up' argument is going away.
Lastly, Griz fans should count themselves extremely lucky to have a capable quarterback leading the team. After what JJ had to go through it would have been no surprise to see him wanting to leave UM. And the Griz would be where they were last season with the quarterback choices and a record to match.
I have enjoyed the games this season, other than the NAU game. Watching from afar - I caught most games on Root or bigskytv, I see lots of determination and talent, and each home game is still special, even though the crowd does take its sweet time to return from halftime
Sometimes I have to wonder whether this is a fan forum or a place to b*tch and moan and exchange insults.
Go Griz!
Btw, when I got to the parking lot at work the other day, I had a Go Cats note stuck on my windshield (Griz stickers clearly identify me). Can't wait for that game!
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