Griz Haven’t Played Anyone? Reality Check.

[retire26]

Potomac, those numbers still do not mean anything. The opponents record will get better for each team as you work down through the standings.

Not true with how the conference is right now where teams don't play all the other teams.

For example... Using your theory Idaho State should have a better opponent record than the Griz since opponent records would "get better for each time as you work down through the standings" right? Except they don't.

ISU's opponent records (using records as of today) is 18 - 25 where the Griz is 29-19.

way to cherry pick the best team to prove what you want. Show the results of all the teams, I am sure there will be a trend.

he was refuting your initial claim.. that the records get better for EACH team as you go down the standings. that's clearly not true. if you meant to say it would trend that way..perhaps you should have stated that previously.

 

[Potomac Griz]

Potomac, those numbers still do not mean anything. The opponents record will get better for each team as you work down through the standings.

Not true with how the conference is right now where teams don't play all the other teams.

For example... Using your theory Idaho State should have a better opponent record than the Griz since opponent records would "get better for each team as you work down through the standings" right? Except they don't.

ISU's opponent records (using records as of today) is 18 - 25 where the Griz is 29-19.

way to cherry pick the best team to prove what you want. Show the results of all the teams, I am sure there will be a trend.

Not cherry picking, just going by the rules that you set. If you don't want to stand by your own rules then admit that your theory that "opponent records would get better for each team as you work down through the standings" was in fact inaccurate.

But hey, I'm curious now... Lets see which of the 4 bottom dwellers have opponent records better than the Griz opponent records in conference.

ISU: 23 - 26
UND: 26-23
UNC: 27-23
Weber: 30-19

So...1 out of 4 of the bottom dwellers has a SLIGHTLY better opponent record than the Griz (who have an opponent record of 29-19).

Sorry, your theory that for each team as you go down the standings the better the opponent record doesn't seem to be accurate. No cherry picking needed to disprove that theory.

If you like, once the season is over and the conference records are final we can go through your theory again and see how it stacks up :mrgreen:

 

[EverettGriz]

box, with the beat-down you're taking in this thread, it may be wise to stop while you're behind.


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[Carrane]

are you guys seriously arguing those stats? Such a dumb stat to even debate against as it's so irrelevant. Fact of the matter is the Griz haven't BEATEN anyone decent and yes our strength of schedule is actually above par but the "big games," we've lost. The only "big game" we won was App state when they were SUPPOSED to be good but history has shown us that they're melting down and we were just the start of that.

 

[Potomac Griz]

are you guys seriously arguing those stats? Such a dumb stat to even debate against as it's so irrelevant. Fact of the matter is the Griz haven't BEATEN anyone decent and yes our strength of schedule is actually above par but the "big games," we've lost. The only "big game" we won was App state when they were SUPPOSED to be good but history has shown us that they're melting down and we were just the start of that.

The Cal Poly game could turn out to be a good "quality" win for us if they manage to beat EWU. Right now it's our best win. They'll likely finish 6-6 though

This topic is more about strength of schedule though than who we have beaten or haven't. It's interesting to look at especially considering how messed up the Big Sky is with not all teams playing each other.

The screwed up conference leaves some teams facing more of the top and mid range teams while other teams face some of the top and almost all the bottom dwellers.

Conference in order of Strength of Schedule (by opponent records):

WEB: 30-19
UM.: 29-19
UNC: 27-23
UND: 26-23
CP.: 24-24
MSU: 24-25
PSU: 24-26
SUU: 23-26
ISU: 23-26
EWU: 23-27
NAU: 23-27
UCD: 23-27
SAC: 21-28

Hopefully my numbers are right. I'm on just a couple hours of sleep and surviving off energy drinks at the moment so feel free to double check if you want

 

[grizindabox]

But I also stated that these numbers mean nothing until the season is over. Even then, not sure they really mean much.

I will also add that even if each school played everyone else, it still would not be truly balanced either because of home/away splits. My point, who fricken cares about the schedules. You need to beat who you play...or be Potomac Griz etc. and whine about it.

 

[pussycatkillerz]

it's all conjecture until the season is in the books

Sometimes good teams...ya know, ones with 8-2 records in such....can actually....now follow me... get "hot" in November and December

If that's not a variable that can throw a big fat wrench in this logic I'm not sure what is...
I feel dumb for having to point this out on, of all teams, a Griz message board...

 

[IdaGriz01]

But I also stated that these numbers mean nothing until the season is over. Even then, not sure they really mean much.

I will also add that even if each school played everyone else, it still would not be truly balanced either because of home/away splits. My point, who fricken cares about the schedules. You need to beat who you play...or be Potomac Griz etc. and whine about it.

Absolutely fascinating where this thread has gone. Of course, you play the schedule you're given.

To start with, I was just interested in what the Griz schedule and it's current 4-2 record might mean at this stage of the season. I was not "whining" that the Griz have had it tough -- I was simply curious about the comparative numbers ... and posted the results.

Three teams now have the same 4-2 record in the Big Sky. As the numbers show, and Potomac "calmly" said, the Griz compiled that record against top or mid-level conference teams, and none of the bottom-feeders. The two teams tied with the Griz have compiled their 4-2 records against mostly lower-tier or bottom-level teams.

I root for the Griz, whatever. Still, I find the objective facts of comparative won-lost records vs level of competition very encouraging as we (hopefully) head for the playoffs. (And yes, I'm well aware that the Griz have "squeaked by" in recent games -- but "a win is a win".)

 

[grizare#1]

The one stat that gets missed to is the Griz had their bye week after just the second game of the season and have been on the field every weekend since then, the rest of the conference just cycled through their bye's. How nice is that this late in the season.

 

[kemajic]

The one stat that gets missed to is the Griz had their bye week after just the second game of the season and have been on the field every weekend since then, the rest of the conference just cycled through their bye's. How nice is that this late in the season.

That problem was not handed to them by anyone. The AD chose the OOC schedule the way he did, not the BSC or anyone else.

 

[Mr. Greenjeans]

The one stat that gets missed to is the Griz had their bye week after just the second game of the season and have been on the field every weekend since then, the rest of the conference just cycled through their bye's. How nice is that this late in the season.

That problem was not handed to them by anyone. The AD chose the OOC schedule the way he did, not the BSC or anyone else.

No debate about this.

 

[Mr. Greenjeans]

But I also stated that these numbers mean nothing until the season is over. Even then, not sure they really mean much.

I will also add that even if each school played everyone else, it still would not be truly balanced either because of home/away splits. My point, who fricken cares about the schedules. You need to beat who you play...or be Potomac Griz etc. and whine about it.

This is truly assinine...with a balanced schedule the home /road splits change every year like most normal conferences. My place this year, your place next year, capiche.

You are correct that you have to beat who is in front of you, (golf clap), but the stupidity of the Big Sky schedule is similar to stupidity of baseball's unbalanced schedule, it's true that they have more resources so that makes them stupider, but it doesn't take away the fact that the BSC schedule is brain dead. The same brain dead "natural rival" bullshit that MLB uses to sell more tickets with an unbalanced schedule is what the Big Sky is doing.

I think Idagriz had a great proposition, add a team and go to 2 divisions and play a fair schedule every year. Play your division opponents yearly and a couple rotating out of division teams each year...like they do in the SEC or the BIG.

You are a fucking idiot bringing home/road splits to this gunfight homie, if they rotate yearly like they should with a balanced schedule. Every other year you play at home, it ain't rocket science you'll most likely win more at home (DUH) but the competition is level, a fact that you seem to miss.