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HelenaHandBasket said:
Just curious, but does winning 2 championships in your history make it the exception or the rule? Should that make it the expectation?
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You’re right that it’s more the exception. I think the narrative is different now for most due to the success of NDSU. If you remove them as an outlier, then is 2 really drastically different from all the other successful programs at this level?

NDSU 10
Georgia Southern 6
YSU 4
App State 3
EKU 2
JMU 2
Marshall 2
MSU 2
UM 2
SDSU 2
Everyone else one or none

Doesn’t mean it can’t be the expectation though. I would hope that most would expect a title to still be the gold standard of the pinnacle of success, but have the awareness to realize it’s not the only qualifier of success overall.
 
Colter_Nuanez56 said:
There is no narrative to my post. I simply cited statistics and asked a question. I did not give my opinion on my question.

If you listen to my two hours daily ESPN radio/TV show, or all (or any) of my podcasts, you'd realize that I have never once said that I think Coach Hauck should be fired. In fact, I state frequently to the contrary: that would be a crazy thing to do. I simply state the few places I believe Montana can get over the top.

Again, Jack, if you engaged in content that wasn't just EGriz, you might learn something. I know you hate all new-age media and think it's all "neggies", but we have a very informed, curious and articulate team at Skyline Sports. Several of my Griz contributors are former players, including Samuel Akem and Keenan Curran, each who advocates for Hauck frequently. All analysts study ball for a living, most played beyond college. Just because you don't like one "bench warmer", doesn't mean the overall product is not worth learning from.

You projecting that I have an implication for posting statistics that are purely factual without any spin....and your said reaction to that projection is on you.

The Missouri Valley has existed since 2008. The conference has won almost twice as many titles as the Big Sky with a bunch of members who have been D1 for less than 20 years. That's facts. And that's a referendum on the Big Sky Conference. Montana is in the Big Sky. That's all I was pointing out with that post. There is no narrative I'm pushing, other than the MVFC has been kicking the Big Sky's ass since its creation and Montana State's chipper is a good thing for the entire state and the entire league, regardless of how much you love the Griz.
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You were selective with the stats. Thus, narrative. Why not more on playoff appearances, big payoffs wins, times going deep in the playoffs, number of times in the semis and championship game, etc.? Why pick 2011? Why not pick earlier in the 2000's? Cause you wanted to leave out UM's successful years?

I don't listen to podcasts. They are too long and boring. I want my information faster. More succinct. The banter and yucking it up is boring and wasteful to me. Didn't say you said Hauck should be fired, but you slant is often leaning that way and, in my view, overly critical. I don't hate all the new age media. What are you talking about? I have 5 kids. I am online more than you are. That's what I do, day and night. I read or skim several hundred articles a day. I visit zillions of sites. I post in several other places. I was talking about your post, but not your content on what you do. The MV conference got to be a better conference than the Big Sky. The SEC and Big 10 are better than the other conferences. That's the way it works.

If what you just said is accurate, then great. I only or mostly see your stuff on egriz, and have learned of your association with Schmidt. His coming at me surprised me, because of our family connections and my interactions with him in the past. Instead of him saying I have dementia a couple time, perhaps he should give more deference and attention to his dad, who is my age, has dementia, and is a home. In the last month or so, people have told me alot of negative things about Schmidt that I wasn't aware of. Feel free to interact with whomever you want, but your association with him has affected my view of you. No big deal. You don't need me for anything. But I have a big mouth on egriz, and this is a place I feel quite comfortable speaking up. I still like you, tho.

P.S. I think the first sentence of your earlier post validates what I am saying. As I said, that is "a" question, but, in my view, it is not "the" question. As I said, yes, the MV got to be a stronger conference than the Big Sky. From my point of view, so what. Yes, the Cats have overtaken the Griz in recent years. I have no doubt that will change. UM could and should have won the game in Missoula. Then, half of BS and meltdown since then involving some wouldn't have occurred. Some may think the Cat losses are the end of the world, but I don't. I have a longer view and longer perspective. And the people who ignore 13-2, semi's, etc. are completely out to lunch, in my view. Most of them don't understand sport, and how sport works, in my view. People need to have some perspective.
 
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Colter_Nuanez56 said:
There is no narrative to my post. I simply cited statistics and asked a question. I did not give my opinion on my question.

If you listen to my two hours daily ESPN radio/TV show, or all (or any) of my podcasts, you'd realize that I have never once said that I think Coach Hauck should be fired. In fact, I state frequently to the contrary: that would be a crazy thing to do. I simply state the few places I believe Montana can get over the top.

Again, Jack, if you engaged in content that wasn't just EGriz, you might learn something. I know you hate all new-age media and think it's all "neggies", but we have a very informed, curious and articulate team at Skyline Sports. Several of my Griz contributors are former players, including Samuel Akem and Keenan Curran, each who advocates for Hauck frequently. All analysts study ball for a living, most played beyond college. Just because you don't like one "bench warmer", doesn't mean the overall product is not worth learning from.

You projecting that I have an implication for posting statistics that are purely factual without any spin....and your said reaction to that projection is on you.

The Missouri Valley has existed since 2008. The conference has won almost twice as many titles as the Big Sky with a bunch of members who have been D1 for less than 20 years. That's facts. And that's a referendum on the Big Sky Conference. Montana is in the Big Sky. That's all I was pointing out with that post. There is no narrative I'm pushing, other than the MVFC has been kicking the Big Sky's ass since its creation and Montana State's chipper is a good thing for the entire state and the entire league, regardless of how much you love the Griz.
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Side note, Colter are we getting a off-season talking schmidt? Love all the content! (Thats not cat related)
 
mthoopsfan said:
That's a question, but a more important question is why UM or any program change and run a huge risk of getting a lesser coach, and ruining the level of success of what has been occurring in recent years. Semis, 13-2 this season. In 2023, loss in finals. Wins over NDSU and SDSU in semis in 2 years. Playoffs in 2024. Majority of wins over Dakota and MV schools. Attendance great. Season tickets great. Academics up. No off field issues by players or coaches. Fund-raising very good.

Citing stats like that without citing the positives, is totally misleading and off the mark, in my view.

Hauck and the Griz are right there. Just need some small improvement and better bounces of the ball, in my view. Have a great qb for presumably 2 years now. A great RB. A great receiver. TE's. Beefing up the OL. Bringing in good-looking D players in portal, and have multiple younger guys from the 2 and 3-deep. The future looks bright to me, but, of course, we'll have to see how it comes together.

The best way to win a national championship is to raise, or continue to raise, more NIL. My guess is that Hauck is behind most of the big NIL now.

Colter, my view is that you are off-base on this. Close to just pushing a narrative. Liostening to neggies and bench warmers like Schmidt. Schmidt wasn't well-liked when he played and still isn't. He liked to pull inappropriate pranks on people, and many people didn't like that, I am told by one of his teammates. "He was somewhat bratty in college. Did a lot of pranks on people that were secretive and mean." A bunch of the guys of that era have a periodic text chat, and I'm pretty sure Schmidt isn't included. I'm having dinner with JD Quinn on Friday. He won't hold back on what he thinks. Maybe he likes Schmidt, but I doubt it.
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God you really get deep into relationship stuff.
Who gives a fck.

A new coach is not what we need. We need Hauck to win some championships. We need a strong President and an unafraid AD who will push Hauck.

Building through the portal is not smart. Especially so when you don’t have the money to do so! The NIL is.. not performing. and guess what? We end up signing a bunch of guys who only have practice film. Huge dive talent being brought in.
 
right.right.right… said:
God you really get deep into relationship stuff.
Who gives a fck.

A new coach is not what we need. We need Hauck to win some championships. We need a strong President and an unafraid AD who will push Hauck.

Building through the portal is not smart. Especially so when you don’t have the money to do so! The NIL is.. not performing. and guess what? We end up signing a bunch of guys who only have practice film. Huge dive talent being brought in.
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Most of what you said is wrong. Most of the portal guys have game film. And some aren’t coming for NIL. Bidnar likes Hauck. Haslam doesn’t know enough or have the strength to push Hauck, nor does he have the support of the big boosters. They like Hauck. You obviously are so out of the loop that you don’t even know this stuff.
 
mthoopsfan said:
You were selective with the stats. Thus, narrative. Why not more on playoff appearances, big payoffs wins, times going deep in the playoffs, number of times in the semis and championship game, etc.? Why pick 2011? Why not pick earlier in the 2000's? Cause you wanted to leave out UM's successful years?

I don't listen to podcasts. They are too long and boring. I want my information faster. More succinct. The banter and yucking it up is boring and wasteful to me. Didn't say you said Hauck should be fired, but you slant is often leaning that way and, in my view, overly critical. I don't hate all the new age media. What are you talking about? I have 5 kids. I am online more than you are. That's what I do, day and night. I read or skim several hundred articles a day. I visit zillions of sites. I post in several other places. I was talking about your post, but not your content on what you do. The MV conference got to be a better conference than the Big Sky. The SEC and Big 10 are better than the other conferences. That's the way it works.

If what you just said is accurate, then great. I only or mostly see your stuff on egriz, and have learned of your association with Schmidt. His coming at me surprised me, because of our family connections and my interactions with him in the past. Instead of him saying I have dementia a couple time, perhaps he should give more deference and attention to his dad, who is my age, has dementia, and is a home. In the last month or so, people have told me alot of negative things about Schmidt that I wasn't aware of. Feel free to interact with whomever you want, but your association with him has affected my view of you. No big deal. You don't need me for anything. But I have a big mouth on egriz, and this is a place I feel quite comfortable speaking up. I still like you, tho.

P.S. I think the first sentence of your earlier post validates what I am saying. As I said, that is "a" question, but, in my view, it is not "the" question. As I said, yes, the MV got to be a stronger conference than the Big Sky. From my point of view, so what. Yes, the Cats have overtaken the Griz in recent years. I have no doubt that will change. UM could and should have won the game in Missoula. Then, half of BS and meltdown since then involving some wouldn't have occurred. Some may think the Cat losses are the end of the world, but I don't. I have a longer view and longer perspective. And the people who ignore 13-2, semi's, etc. are completely out to lunch, in my view. Most of them don't understand sport, and how sport works, in my view. People need to have some perspective.
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Jack - complete change of subject - what do you think of President Bodnar’s potential political candidacy ?
 
Znelson15 said:
Simple answer to your first question colter no it's not, end of discussion

Also great stats from 2011
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Hardly the end of discussion. So are you willing to to risk what the Griz have achieved now and what would you change?

I am still waiting for your apology. You completely goofed up on who I am in the post. Step up and apologize.
 
Colter_Nuanez56 said:
Jack - complete change of subject - what do you think of President Bodnar’s potential political candidacy ?
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I don’t have a view yet. I think Bodnar is great generally. I see that Dems are pissed at Tester over his support for Bodnar. I assume Bodnar could raise a lot of money and be a good candidate. Don’t know how he could win without huge Dem support. Daines has won easily in all his elections. Beat the last popular Dem Gov easily by 10. I don’t like how Daines and the other MT and other Repubs have not stood up to Trump. Daines is in tough position with Trump, but still …. A lot of people are disappointed with Daines. And he seems to be avoiding Montanans on various things. Steve is my good friend, from growing up in Bozeman, family connections, and RightNow Tech. I have complained to him about Trump. I know my egriz fans will like to learn that Steve texts me back quickly when I text him. Ha, but true. We usually are talking family, Bozeman high and Cat-Griz, not politics. I caught him on 2 big trips to China and Saudi Arabia last year. I think we exchanged a half dozen texts each on the China trip. Maybe he was bored on his long flight. I voted for and supported him, even tho I didn’t like his close ties to Trump. I have never supported Trump and never will. Steve is a good guy. I wish I had already told him and the other MT guys in Washington that their not standing up to Trump was going to cause me to support Dems, as I had been thinking in recent times. Will probably keep my mouth shut now. Even if Bodnar could get big support from Dems, which may be tough, I don’t know how he could peel off enough disappointed Repubs to make a go of it. Bodnar’s wife Chelsea would be helpful campaigning. If Bodnar doesn’t win, Gianforte will term out and Gov will be open. Bodnar would probably do better against Sheehy. They could do special ops hand to hand combat. I don’t know if Bodnar would stick around in MT. He has the potential to do almost anything he wants. Except maybe beat Daines.

I wish Bodnar would remain at UM. He’s a really good guy too, by the way.
 
mthoopsfan said:
I don’t have a view yet. I think Bodnar is great generally. I see that Dems are pissed at Tester over his support for Bodnar. I assume Bodnar could raise a lot of money and be a good candidate. Don’t know how he could win without huge Dem support. Daines has won easily in all his elections. Beat the last popular Dem Gov easily by 10. I don’t like how Daines and the other MT and other Repubs have not stood up to Trump. Daines is in tough position with Trump, but still …. A lot of people are disappointed with Daines. And he seems to be avoiding Montanans on various things. Steve is my good friend, from growing up in Bozeman, family connections, and RightNow Tech. I have complained to him about Trump. I know my egriz fans will like to learn that Steve texts me back quickly when I text him. Ha, but true. We usually are talking family, Bozeman high and Cat-Griz, not politics. I caught him on 2 big trips to China and Saudi Arabia last year. I think we exchanged a half dozen texts each on the China trip. Maybe he was bored on his long flight. I voted for and supported him, even tho I didn’t like his close ties to Trump. I have never supported Trump and never will. Steve is a good guy. I wish I had already told him and the other MT guys in Washington that their not standing up to Trump was going to cause me to support Dems, as I had been thinking in recent times. Will probably keep my mouth shut now. Even if Bodnar could get big support from Dems, which may be tough, I don’t know how he could peel off enough disappointed Repubs to make a go of it. Bodnar’s wife Chelsea would be helpful campaigning. If Bodnar doesn’t win, Gianforte will term out and Gov will be open. Bodnar would probably do better against Sheehy. They could do special ops hand to hand combat. I don’t know if Bodnar would stick around in MT. He has the potential to do almost anything he wants. Except maybe beat Daines.

I wish Bodnar would remain at UM. He’s a really good guy too, by the way.
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from your posts it seems you are no longer really a montana resident. you really ought to be voting in arizona, and i hope you are. as for bodnar, i'd be glad to see him go. he's a mediocre university president, at best. his 'success' is based a lot on fudged numbers, like including the college of technology in stats.
 
argh! said:
from your posts it seems you are no longer really a montana resident. you really ought to be voting in arizona, and i hope you are. as for bodnar, i'd be glad to see him go. he's a mediocre university president, at best. his 'success' is based a lot on fudged numbers, like including the college of technology in stats.
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I am a MT resident. I try to hang at flathead lake and travel (3 international trips last year, with 2 over a month). Love the lake. Vote in polson. Less and less time at big sky. Not in Missoula much. My wife is in Missoula more, when tennis isn’t active at flathead. Brint sold the big kids’ house in Missoula and got us a condo. State taxes would be less if I was an AZ resident. Was in AZ about 4 months in 2025. Bodnar has been terrific for UM. Has turned things around. You are in my best poster list now.
 
mthoopsfan said:
Most of what you said is wrong. Most of the portal guys have game film. And some aren’t coming for NIL. Bidnar likes Hauck. Haslam doesn’t know enough or have the strength to push Hauck, nor does he have the support of the big boosters. They like Hauck. You obviously are so out of the loop that you don’t even know this stuff.
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Is Haslam the reason “big boosters” aren’t contributing at a competitive level to the NIL fund?
 
$800,000 is the number for the whole team? At a couple positions such as quarterback they can make more than $800,000 in the FBS in one season.
 
mthoopsfan said:
I am a MT resident. I try to hang at flathead lake and travel (3 international trips last year, with 2 over a month). Love the lake. Vote in polson. Less and less time at big sky. Not in Missoula much. My wife is in Missoula more, when tennis isn’t active at flathead. Brint sold the big kids’ house in Missoula and got us a condo. State taxes would be less if I was an AZ resident. Was in AZ about 4 months in 2025. Bodnar has been terrific for UM. Has turned things around. You are in my best poster list now.
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You’re an idiot for claiming MT instead of AZ for residency but that is par for the course with you. Retirement income is taxed at a flat 2.5% in AZ whereas in MT it can be taxed up to 6.9%. AZ is also one of the most competitive states politically across the country. Jon Tester was the last democrat to win a statewide race in Montana.
 
Wolf777 said:
You’re right that it’s more the exception. I think the narrative is different now for most due to the success of NDSU. If you remove them as an outlier, then is 2 really drastically different from all the other successful programs at this level?

NDSU 10
Georgia Southern 6
YSU 4
App State 3
EKU 2
JMU 2
Marshall 2
MSU 2
UM 2
SDSU 2
Everyone else one or none

Doesn’t mean it can’t be the expectation though. I would hope that most would expect a title to still be the gold standard of the pinnacle of success, but have the awareness to realize it’s not the only qualifier of success overall.
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If you narrow it down to coach success, its even more rare.

Georgia Southern - the only team outside NDSU that can claim any kind of generational dominance. Three coaches won six nattys over 16 year stretch. Although they didn't win another their last 13 years in the division, they still made the playoffs seven more times plus a natty trip with a fourth coach.
FCS from '82-'13; 6 nattys
3 coaches won nattys in 85, 86, 89, 90, 99, 00

YSU - All four of YSU's nattys are thanks to Jim Tressel who coached at YSU from '86-'00. In his 15 years, YSU won four championships and made the playoffs 10 times. In the 30 years outside of Tressel's YSU coaching career, YSU made the playoffs nine times with one natty appearance in '16.
FCS from '81-pres; 4 nattys
1 coach won nattys in 91, 93, 94, 97

App State - All three of App St's nattys came in a three year period from one coach. The argument could be made also that two of those were on the back of one player. Granted App has always been a decent team, making the playoffs 20 times in their FCS history, with 18 of those coming from their championship coach. In the 11 years before his arrival, they had made the playoffs twice.
FCS from '78-'13; 3 nattys
1 coach won nattys in 05, 06, 07

EKU - A dominant team in the very early stages of the FCS playoffs, winning two of the first five FCS championships, both from the same coach After that, not so much. Their natty coach, made the playoffs 13 more times over the next 20 years, but never making it back to a natty. In the last 23 years since his retirement, they've returned to the playoffs six times.
FCS from '78-pres; 2 nattys
1 coach won two nattys in 79, 82

JMU - One of the most consistent teams outside NDSU and GSU, but still only managed two nattys, 12 years apart. Not too great before their first, only making the playoffs five times in their first 25 years. Even in the 12 years between nattys, they still only averaged a playoff trip every other year. After the '16 natty though, they made the playoffs every year till their FBS jump.
FCS from 80-21; 2 nattys
2 coach's won nattys in 04, 16

Marshall - Their FCS history lasted 19 years with the first nine being abysmal, missing the playoffs every year. Their Jeckyl and Hyde FCS tenure took a turn in '87 though and over the next 10 yeas they made 8 playoffs and six natty appearances, winning two. Their success largely came from one coach who took over from '90-'95, appearing in four nattys and winning one. A new coach took over in '96, their last year in the FCS and im pretty sure i dont have to say why they won that one.
FCS from '78-'96; 2 nattys
2 coach won nattys in 92, 96

MSU - we all know how shitty they were for long. One lucky year in '84 and then nothing for 41 years.
FCS from '78-pres; 2 nattys
2 coachs won nattys in 84, 25

UM - The most consistently playoff bound team in the FCS, especially since winning their first in '95 after making the playoffs for a 6th time in their first 18 years in the FCS. Since then in the last 30 years, they've missed the playoffs only five times, reaching the natty seven times, winning one more. In that stretch seven more different coaches have led the Griz to the playoffs and three of them leading the Griz to a natty appearance.
FCS from '78-pres; 2 nattys
2 coaches won nattys in 95, 01

SDSU - Has been considered a powerhouse of late but it took them nearly two decades to earn that. In their first 19 years they made 11 playoffs before winning their first in '22, all under the same coach. Their 2nd came a year later from a new coach but now he is gone and their season took a bit of a dive. Some are wondering if they will maintain or if the decline after their peak has began.
FCS from '04-pres; 2 nattys
2 coaches won nattys in 22, 23
 
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