Griz Fans Accept Mediocrity Now

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

 

[grizindabox]

Atl, so what exactly, and be specific, makes Griz football mediocre this season?

 

[blackfootipa]

Our program was kicked in the teeth man. We have had nothing but bad publicity for 4 years. We had to have Grandpa come in and he stayed 1 year too long. We have to rebuild the confidence and swagger that we once had and hopefully it starts now. In the FCS, with our facilities, we should get right back at it. No one is accepting mediocrity but lets be realistic on the mud we have had to trudge thru.

 

[grizindabox]

I believe that Griz football has been mediocre for the last 5-6 seasons and will be, at a minimum, for 2-3 more years.

 

[firmgriz]

Blackfootipa nailed it.

 

[grizindabox]

Something else that could play a role in the future is the Full-Cost of Attendance Scholarships in College Athletics. This will be more of an issue with basketball and other sports but all those decisions will impact football.

 

[signedbewildered]

I didn't think we would be "better" last year or the year before. Not sure if we will be "better" this year but we'll be "different" and that's a step in the right direction. Next year we will be better than this year and the year after better than 2016. Put that in your book.

No way we will be better next season. Our defense will lose too many key players.

Our defense is overrated anyway right? Who knows who will step up or step I'm (transfers or recruits) the next couple years. So you are saying as a team we will be worse in 2017 than we are now?

 

[get'em_griz]

I didn't think we would be "better" last year or the year before. Not sure if we will be "better" this year but we'll be "different" and that's a step in the right direction. Next year we will be better than this year and the year after better than 2016. Put that in your book.

No way we will be better next season. Our defense will lose too many key players.

Our defense is overrated anyway right? Who knows who will step up or step I'm (transfers or recruits) the next couple years. So you are saying as a team we will be worse in 2017 than we are now?

Every year will be worse than the last because we keep losing players and apparently never get new players that step up. RIP Montana defense.

 

[Raider]

I believe that Griz football has been mediocre for the last 5-6 seasons and will be, at a minimum, for 2-3 more years.

I agree with you for the most part, but did you really see the 2009 and 2011 squads as "mediocre"?

 

[grizindabox]

I believe that Griz football has been mediocre for the last 5-6 seasons and will be, at a minimum, for 2-3 more years.

I agree with you for the most part, but did you really see the 2009 and 2011 squads as "mediocre"?

Looking back, it seems to me the slide started in 2010. I am not sure the 2011 team was as good as the record, but I would say they were definitely not mediocre. But since 2012, nothing but a whole lot of mediocrity.
So I stand corrected...

 

[Raider]

I believe that Griz football has been mediocre for the last 5-6 seasons and will be, at a minimum, for 2-3 more years.

I agree with you for the most part, but did you really see the 2009 and 2011 squads as "mediocre"?

Looking back, it seems to me the slide started in 2010. I am not sure the 2011 team was as good as the record, but I would say they were definitely not mediocre. But since 2012, nothing but a whole lot of mediocrity.
So I stand corrected...

100% agreed. Mediocre may even be a kind description for the past few years. Won a number games they shouldn't have.

 

[grizpsych]

I am sick of the dumbing-down that has enveloped Griz Nation. It happens when every season starts with "we'll be better this year", and it never happens. Most of you are into moral victories and mediocrity now. You talk about winning the Big Sky as if it is quite an accomplishment. Hell, we used to win it every year and it was a given.

Most of you have forgotten just how powerful and elite our program used to be. Teams feared us, and most of them were defeated before the first snap was taken. They KNEW they were going to lose. No longer. Nobody fears coming into Washington-Griz now.

You are living a mirage, my friends. Our program is a shell of its former self, and most of you are in denial about it. We not even CLOSE to turning this thing around.

Programs falter when the fan base stops demanding excellence, and accepts the hope of "we'll get 'em next year"!

I am tired of the excuses for being a pedestrian FCS program now. We used to have plenty of move-up threads when we were dominating. Where are they now? Hell, we can't even win our weak-assed conference, let alone dream about competing with FBS teams!

After Bear Bryant died, the Alabama football program became what we are now.....mediocre. But the Alabama fans would not settle for it. They went through several coaches until they hired the coach who could bring them back to dominance again.

I am not sure the President of this university, nor the dumbed-down fan base will keep pushing until we get back there. Allowing Delaney to destroy this program was ridiculous, yet most of you still support his three years here. We have a huge advantage over all other FCS schools.... the best stadium, the largest crowds, the best traveling fan base, etc., and yet we are not even a top 20 program any longer in a watered-down FCS division. Either get on board in demanding excellence, or start being a Bobcat fan!

How long did you ruminate on this before posting? Weird.

 

[EverettGriz]

Griz fans -- or at least those of reasonable intelligence -- understand that no team can stay at the very top forever, and that even in UM's "down" years, 95% of teams would kill to be where we are. UM's 3 decades of success are nearly unmatched at any level.

It's been a ridiculous run of success. We already have the best facilities at the FCS level, and the University continues to invest large sums of money into upgrading them.

FWIW, that doesn't sound like acceptance of mediocrity to me. Quit bitchin' and enjoy the ride.

See how you are defending us being mediocre now instead of elite? You are even defending mediocrity. And, no, I will not stop bitching until we become elite again. With our vast recruiting advantages, there is no reason we should be able to do it. I'll tell you this, if Mike Kramer had our recruiting advantages, he would DOMINATE this conference and be playing for National Championships!

Let's add "reading" to the lengthy list of things you do poorly.

 

[griz71]

Griz fans -- or at least those of reasonable intelligence -- understand that no team can stay at the very top forever, and that even in UM's "down" years, 95% of teams would kill to be where we are. UM's 3 decades of success are nearly unmatched at any level.

It's been a ridiculous run of success. We already have the best facilities at the FCS level, and the University continues to invest large sums of money into upgrading them.

FWIW, that doesn't sound like acceptance of mediocrity to me. Quit bitchin' and enjoy the ride.

+1....spot on bud! :clap:

 

[griz71]

I believe that Griz football has been mediocre for the last 5-6 seasons and will be, at a minimum, for 2-3 more years.

No question we have been down for a few years and aren't where we expect to be. But the near future and beyond looks very promising and the optimism is deserved. Why be such a Debbie Downer?

 

[go96griz]

I'll bite in the interest of football conversation.

I believe our defense has as much overall talent as it ever has. We are loaded across the board with one of our best and deepest linebacker corps ever, our secondary appears deep and talented as well with many upcoming players ready to make a big splash along with a few quality veterans, and our d-line is very strong at the end and capable at the interior. On defense, my only concern is the lack of a 300 pound run stuffer - but there aren't many to be found at this level. The loss of Ena was a huge hit for our future. Without injury and the prospect of more aggressiveness and ball hawking, this unit could be special.

Our offense is not in quite as good of shape, but it is nothing to sniff at. The top 8 wide receivers have loads of potential with possibly 3 being in the top dozen wr in the league. There is great upcoming talent in the position as well for the future. Although game unproven, Gus has displayed smarts and has a big-time arm at quarterback and he has shown the ability to run the new offense well. Chalich and Simis are both quality backups and Pflug will be the future. I don't know that we have a Yo or a Chase or a Lex at running back, but the current group brings skills that fit into this offense very well. The big question mark is offensive line. This team will only go as far as this offensive line can take them. They need to stay healthy, develop individually under Germer, and gel as a unit. This group is still better than last year, but they need to improve greatly for the future. O-line and running backs are the one area that I absolutely agree we don't stack up with Hauck era teams.

I see a bright future ahead for this this team with an exciting offense and a defense that can match that excitement on the other side of the ball. We just need to fill a few holes. I believe we have upgraded coaching talent at the Head Coach, Offensive Coordinator, Secondary, Wide Receiver and Offensive Line and we will see immediate returns on these changes. The Special Teams is still a question mark, but it appears to be a focus now that they have the offense going.

I must be an optimist, but it appears to me that most of the pieces are falling into place nicely.

I don't agree. Our defense is not as good as the hype. You will see when we play NDSU and give up 300+ yards on the ground. And Pfug has never taken a snap, so how can you label him a savior? He is VERY SMALL which is a problem.

Pretty sure I didn't label Pflug as a "savior" but he does have a lot of potential. He needs to put on about 20 pounds of muscle which is entirely possible for a player entering college. His high school play at a high level of competition reminds me of a combination of Dave and JJ. He doesn't need to be huge like Gus to be successful. He has all the tools except size and he can add strength. By the way, JJ was very little coming out of high school and he did alright.

On defense, Holmes and Kidder are budding stars and the linebacker talent can't be disputed. As mentioned already, I do have some concern with interior d-line depth and lack of size beyond Kidder. The secondary is very athletic and they are showing tons of ability to make plays on the ball and they are tackling well in space. We also finally have a bit of depth in the secondary. The overall defensive unit will be very good to excellent. Please tell me why you think the defense is overrated. I am interested in your detailed answer beyond just a quick disagreement. Thanks!

 

[grizindabox]

I believe that Griz football has been mediocre for the last 5-6 seasons and will be, at a minimum, for 2-3 more years.

No question we have been down for a few years and aren't where we expect to be. But the near future and beyond looks very promising and the optimism is deserved. Why be such a Debbie Downer?

Griz overall recruiting in the Delaney years was mediocre at best, leaving quite a few holes that need to be addressed by the current staff along with 3-4 BSC teams that have forged ahead and it will take 2-3 years minimum with good recruiting classes for the Griz to close that gap. Montana has shown me zero when it comes to beating the quality teams of FCS, and I don't think you will see that change this season either. I am not going to make any judgments about Stitt's coaching, as I actually liked the hire, but if he gets the Griz to 8-3 or better this season, the guy is a miracle worker.

 

[Griz2k]

I love reading threads about how much the Griz suck. I just can't get enough of them! I feel like Oliver Twist....."please, can I have some more?"

 

[griz71]

I believe that Griz football has been mediocre for the last 5-6 seasons and will be, at a minimum, for 2-3 more years.

No question we have been down for a few years and aren't where we expect to be. But the near future and beyond looks very promising and the optimism is deserved. Why be such a Debbie Downer?

Griz overall recruiting in the Delaney years was mediocre at best, leaving quite a few holes that need to be addressed by the current staff along with 3-4 BSC teams that have forged ahead and it will take 2-3 years minimum with good recruiting classes for the Griz to close that gap. Montana has shown me zero when it comes to beating the quality teams of FCS, and I don't think you will see that change this season either. I am not going to make any judgments about Stitt's coaching, as I actually liked the hire, but if he gets the Griz to 8-3 or better this season, the guy is a miracle worker.

Box---we actually agree on a few things. I'm with you on your comment about the 8-3 season and I like the hire as well.

 

[Yukon]

Atlanta - either jump or back away from the ledge. My God...