Griz Fans Accept Mediocrity Now

[statler & waldorf]

Growler, I hate to say it, but I think you are right. The bite of WGS parallels the decline in the Griz base since '09, aided and abetted by Main Hall. Delaney should have been one and out if there was any support for football excellence. Three years of the Mick supports my argument.

 

[big kahuna]

I read Alpha is heading to Alaska. Perhaps there is room in the truck.

 

[statler & waldorf]

To quote Alpha: :finger:

 

[Grisly Fan]

Given that the fans don't call the plays, they don't recruit the players, they don't coach, they don't even hire the coaches (etc., etc.) then what does it matter what they are willing to accept? You kind of get what you get while trying to make the best of it. OTOH, Griz fans continue to what they actually can do which is buy tickets to the games and purchase Griz apparel. And they seem to be doing a fine job so kwitcherbitchen.

 

[horribilisfan8184]

I agree with this thread's premise, starting with this Board. Back in the Hauck days, I would check out this Board for inspiration and an adrenaline fix as game day approached. This peeking in spread to recruiting season and then spring ball. The Griz were hard-nosed and so were the posters. Over the last 6-7 years, there has been a clear softening of posters, loss of masculinity is rampant, and civility has a firm foundation as a rallying cry. And when someone tries to bring back the swagger with a ballsy bold post, out come the whiners begging for the moderators to lock the thread and/or ban the poster. This sissifying of egriz has spilled over to our players, coaches, administration, and we are all to blame. You want Griz football back, then start with bringing back the glory, the swagger, the cutting edge of egriz. We've got no time to lose, and need an immediate fix.

We need a new thread where we have two teams, one lead by PR and one by AG1. Just like grade school, they draft egrizzers taking turns. When each has 10 draftees on their team, a free-for-all bashathon begins. No topic is off limits. No punches pulled. Insults and low blows are the norm. Duels will be scheduled. And there will be no moderator imposed time outs for participants or locking of the thread. No posting allowed by any other egrizzers. Until noon before the NDSU game, where the rest of egriz nation can jump into the fray and declare who they believe the winning team is. If that doesn't get the football team frothing before the game, then all hope is lost.

 

[kemajic]

I am sick of the dumbing-down that has enveloped Griz Nation. It happens when every season starts with "we'll be better this year", and it never happens. Most of you are into moral victories and mediocrity now. You talk about winning the Big Sky as if it is quite an accomplishment. Hell, we used to win it every year and it was a given.

Most of you have forgotten just how powerful and elite our program used to be. Teams feared us, and most of them were defeated before the first snap was taken. They KNEW they were going to lose. No longer. Nobody fears coming into Washington-Griz now.

You are living a mirage, my friends. Our program is a shell of its former self, and most of you are in denial about it. We not even CLOSE to turning this thing around.

Programs falter when the fan base stops demanding excellence, and accepts the hope of "we'll get 'em next year"!

I am tired of the excuses for being a pedestrian FCS program now. We used to have plenty of move-up threads when we were dominating. Where are they now? Hell, we can't even win our weak-assed conference, let alone dream about competing with FBS teams!

After Bear Bryant died, the Alabama football program became what we are now.....mediocre. But the Alabama fans would not settle for it. They went through several coaches until they hired the coach who could bring them back to dominance again.

I am not sure the President of this university, nor the dumbed-down fan base will keep pushing until we get back there. Allowing Delaney to destroy this program was ridiculous, yet most of you still support his three years here. We have a huge advantage over all other FCS schools.... the best stadium, the largest crowds, the best traveling fan base, etc., and yet we are not even a top 20 program any longer in a watered-down FCS division. Either get on board in demanding excellence, or start being a Bobcat fan!

There's not a lot here I disagree with except you're painting with a very broad brush to the point of stereotype. EGriz posts may not be the best place to judge this issue. If you're satisfied and post rosy posts, you're conforming to the culture of the forum's "leaders." If you post your concerns and learned opinions, which might be critical, you're a "hater." Even if you did play the game. The latter group is there, it's just not as transparent because it provides fewer posts. I associate with a lot of fans that have been with the program since it was awful, took pride in its growth and success, and now has become frustrated with the diminished desire to continue that growth trajectory. The problem started with Dennison, who loved the new revenue from FB and found creative ways to funnel it off to his pet projects rather than use it to grow the program further. This is not missed by donors, who have little confidence that their increased contributions will actually impact FB, and contributes significantly to the frustration.

That said, I'm not dismissing the work of AD Haslam to change the direction of coaching staff, to raise funding for facility growth and to pursue more aggressive scheduling. I believe he's the best we've had since Moos; I just need to see it translated into results. Same for Stitt; so far so good, but it's results that will tell the story, not hype.

 

[SaskGriz]

I believe that Griz football has been mediocre for the last 5-6 seasons and will be, at a minimum, for 2-3 more years.

I will never understand posts like this or some of the stuff that Atlanta was going on about? Five or six seasons back from 2014 is 2009 when we lost the Chipper by 2 points after going in undefeated. Mediocre?

2011 we came within a missed FG on the road of going to the National Championship Game. Mediocre

From 2012-2014 our results have been mediocre. And I am not sugar coating that but the reality is we lost a lot of close games that maybe we would have won in the past. No excuses though. Look back through the GRIZ's amazing run from say 1993-2009 and you will notice that we won our fair share of close ones even at WGS. Atlanta makes it sound like we were so dominant at home that most teams didn't even bother to come out after halftime, not the case.

And this on-going bitch fest about how lousy the Big Sky Conference is, is so far from reality it is laughable. The MVC is the power conference of FCS right now, like the SEC for the big kids. We are number two or maybe three if you really like that eastern conference that has New Hampshire and some of those teams. Just because another conference is strong doesn't make ours garbage. The SEC being a power doesn't make the PAC 12 or Big 10 (or whatever the hell those conferences are called, I don't follow FBS very closely), shit.

I am glad that so many boosters and fans are not down on the program like some of the Egrizzers. We are getting millions for academics and locker rooms and improvements. The people working to see those improvements are the ones who certainly don't accept mediocrity, and they do a hell of a lot more than bitch about it.

 

[Raider]

I believe that Griz football has been mediocre for the last 5-6 seasons and will be, at a minimum, for 2-3 more years.

I will never understand posts like this or some of the stuff that Atlanta was going on about? Five or six seasons back from 2014 is 2009 when we lost the Chipper by 2 points after going in undefeated. Mediocre?

2011 we came within a missed FG on the road of going to the National Championship Game. Mediocre

Not trying to be a dick, but maybe you should re-read the thread.

 

[spsyk]

I am sick of the dumbing-down that has enveloped Griz Nation. It happens when every season starts with "we'll be better this year", and it never happens. Most of you are into moral victories and mediocrity now. You talk about winning the Big Sky as if it is quite an accomplishment. Hell, we used to win it every year and it was a given.

Most of you have forgotten just how powerful and elite our program used to be. Teams feared us, and most of them were defeated before the first snap was taken. They KNEW they were going to lose. No longer. Nobody fears coming into Washington-Griz now.

You are living a mirage, my friends. Our program is a shell of its former self, and most of you are in denial about it. We not even CLOSE to turning this thing around.

Programs falter when the fan base stops demanding excellence, and accepts the hope of "we'll get 'em next year"!

I am tired of the excuses for being a pedestrian FCS program now. We used to have plenty of move-up threads when we were dominating. Where are they now? Hell, we can't even win our weak-assed conference, let alone dream about competing with FBS teams!

After Bear Bryant died, the Alabama football program became what we are now.....mediocre. But the Alabama fans would not settle for it. They went through several coaches until they hired the coach who could bring them back to dominance again.

I am not sure the President of this university, nor the dumbed-down fan base will keep pushing until we get back there. Allowing Delaney to destroy this program was ridiculous, yet most of you still support his three years here. We have a huge advantage over all other FCS schools.... the best stadium, the largest crowds, the best traveling fan base, etc., and yet we are not even a top 20 program any longer in a watered-down FCS division. Either get on board in demanding excellence, or start being a Bobcat fan!

Plus 1 thru 10

Finally, some making an observation without looking thru a "reality distortion field"

 

[grizindabox]

I believe that Griz football has been mediocre for the last 5-6 seasons and will be, at a minimum, for 2-3 more years.

I will never understand posts like this or some of the stuff that Atlanta was going on about? Five or six seasons back from 2014 is 2009 when we lost the Chipper by 2 points after going in undefeated. Mediocre?

2011 we came within a missed FG on the road of going to the National Championship Game. Mediocre

From 2012-2014 our results have been mediocre. And I am not sugar coating that but the reality is we lost a lot of close games that maybe we would have won in the past. No excuses though. Look back through the GRIZ's amazing run from say 1993-2009 and you will notice that we won our fair share of close ones even at WGS. Atlanta makes it sound like we were so dominant at home that most teams didn't even bother to come out after halftime, not the case.

And this on-going bitch fest about how lousy the Big Sky Conference is, is so far from reality it is laughable. The MVC is the power conference of FCS right now, like the SEC for the big kids. We are number two or maybe three if you really like that eastern conference that has New Hampshire and some of those teams. Just because another conference is strong doesn't make ours garbage. The SEC being a power doesn't make the PAC 12 or Big 10 (or whatever the hell those conferences are called, I don't follow FBS very closely), shit.

I am glad that so many boosters and fans are not down on the program like some of the Egrizzers. We are getting millions for academics and locker rooms and improvements. The people working to see those improvements are the ones who certainly don't accept mediocrity, and they do a hell of a lot more than bitch about it.

There is a followup post on the subject...but of course you skipped it.

 

[grizindabox]

spsyk, what do you like about Griz football? Heck, what do you like about the University of Montana?

 

[SaskGriz]

I believe that Griz football has been mediocre for the last 5-6 seasons and will be, at a minimum, for 2-3 more years.

I will never understand posts like this or some of the stuff that Atlanta was going on about? Five or six seasons back from 2014 is 2009 when we lost the Chipper by 2 points after going in undefeated. Mediocre?

2011 we came within a missed FG on the road of going to the National Championship Game. Mediocre

From 2012-2014 our results have been mediocre. And I am not sugar coating that but the reality is we lost a lot of close games that maybe we would have won in the past. No excuses though. Look back through the GRIZ's amazing run from say 1993-2009 and you will notice that we won our fair share of close ones even at WGS. Atlanta makes it sound like we were so dominant at home that most teams didn't even bother to come out after halftime, not the case.

And this on-going bitch fest about how lousy the Big Sky Conference is, is so far from reality it is laughable. The MVC is the power conference of FCS right now, like the SEC for the big kids. We are number two or maybe three if you really like that eastern conference that has New Hampshire and some of those teams. Just because another conference is strong doesn't make ours garbage. The SEC being a power doesn't make the PAC 12 or Big 10 (or whatever the hell those conferences are called, I don't follow FBS very closely), shit.

I am glad that so many boosters and fans are not down on the program like some of the Egrizzers. We are getting millions for academics and locker rooms and improvements. The people working to see those improvements are the ones who certainly don't accept mediocrity, and they do a hell of a lot more than bitch about it.

 

[XxSpectrexX]

I think that the next season after this will be an improvement, the 2016 recruiting class hopefully will be better and Stitt will have had the opportunity to get the kids he chooses versus honoring the commits that a defunct coach selected to fit a totally different offensive scheme. 2017 will be the big change to turn us around, hopefully the fans won't run Stitt off by then, or the Vikings snatch him away.
Change takes two things, the right selection as a leader and time. We have the coach, we'll get the players, all we need is the time for it all to gel. 2017 we'll be in a conference championship game for sure.

 

[grizindabox]

Sask, I guess you did not read through the thread since I posted this additional post:

I believe that Griz football has been mediocre for the last 5-6 seasons and will be, at a minimum, for 2-3 more years.

I agree with you for the most part, but did you really see the 2009 and 2011 squads as "mediocre"?

Looking back, it seems to me the slide started in 2010. I am not sure the 2011 team was as good as the record, but I would say they were definitely not mediocre. But since 2012, nothing but a whole lot of mediocrity.
So I stand corrected...

 

[Umista]

Ahh, we seem to be in a pre-season bitch fest. It will soon pass as we enter the season. Seems like every year we have this shout down about now. Forget it. Once the lights turn on we will begin to sing and find ourselves, we were not lost after all!

No Griz fan accepts mediocrity. Zero. None.

 

[George Ferguson]

Disagree with pretty much anything Growler says in regards to the fans, simply because the fans don't have control much like someone else pointed out.


I also strongly disagree with a poster above who said " the 2016 recruiting class hopefully will be better and Stitt will have had the opportunity to get the kids he chooses versus honoring the commits that a defunct coach selected to fit a totally different offensive scheme." Willy Pflug's was signed by Delaney, as well as Markell Sanders, Cy Cirmon, Jerrin Williams and Angel Villaneuva to name a few. Also, Keenan Curran was oringinally recruited by the Delaney staff and was heavily leaning towards UM before deciding to go to AFA. You think Stitt should have let those guys go? Are you kidding me?

 

[Griz2k]

There isn't one Griz fan here that likes mediocrity, but you know what? There's not one f*cking thing anyone of us can do about. We'll just cheer as loud as we can and hope for the best. Bitching about it on egriz solves nothing, but please, carry on.

 

[kemajic]

Please tell me why you think the defense is overrated. I am interested in your detailed answer beyond just a quick disagreement.

Possibly he remembers last year's CPSLO game, which many have chosen to forget or dismiss.

 

[get'em_griz]

There isn't one Griz fan here that likes mediocrity, but you know what? There's not one f*cking thing anyone of us can do about. We'll just cheer as loud as we can and hope for the best. Bitching about it on egriz solves nothing, but please, carry on.

+1 This.

 

[GottaluvGriz]

Please tell me why you think the defense is overrated. I am interested in your detailed answer beyond just a quick disagreement.

Possibly he remembers last year's CPSLO game, which many have chosen to forget or dismiss.

That was a very frustrating performance last year. Really after KVA went out, we decided to not make any changes and just watch CPSLO just run over us. I am confident that Gregorack has thought alot about that game last year and what he would do differently.
I will be extremely dissapointed if we don't have a better defensive plan for them this year.
Offensively, we will move the ball against them better this year and keep the D a bit more fresh also.
Go Griz!