GRIZ/cat mens thread.......game 2

[CDAGRIZ]

Unfortunately, it'll probably be a reality we have to face, and likely sooner rather than later. If Tinks has some success in the tournament, he'll get a lot of looks. The worry I have is that he gets an offer from a Pepperdine or USD or USF, something that takes him close to Jos. I know he'd love to be able to see more of her and her games.

Maybe. But she's only there a few more years. Why take a job away from Missoula for maybe seeing your daughter play for a few years and then having to live in an area you wouldn't like as much? If Tinkle can build the interest in this program to near sellout levels night after night I think we will have another long-term coach a la Selvig. (I'm admittedly hopeful, yes.)

That would be awesome. I really think he's building something terrific here.

Agree. Although, nobody likes to be underpaid. It's not public info, but most people think Few gets around 600-750k plus incentives, and that is very low for the caliber of the program. Does UM even pay Tinkle 200k? I don't really care how much somebody likes a place, leaving a shit ton of money on the table is flat out dumb, and I don't think Tinkle would do it. I also don't think UM has the aware enough to realize that good coaches leave when you don't pay them. Just because the FB team plays in the second division doesn't mean the rest of the sports do. Dollar. Dollar. Bills. Y'all.

 

[mtgrizrule]

As for Tinkle staying or leaving, he sure is building his resume. I feel the only way he leaves Missoula would be for a job with a Major conference team. He and his family love Missoula. He has 2 more kids to graduate. Also, he is not hurting for money. He did pretty well for himself playing overseas as long as he did. He see him as someone that likely made some good investments too.

He certainly is committed to taking the GRIZ program to higher levels. I cannot or will not question is desire and passion for Montana.

 

[EverettGriz]

I cannot or will not question is desire and passion for Montana.

No WAY! Even if he leaves Missoula for greener pastures, he'll always bleed maroon. No one could ever question is love and passion for all things Univ of Montana.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

Also, he is not hurting for money. He did pretty well for himself playing overseas as long as he did. He see him as someone that likely made some good investments too.

It's not that he needs the money, it's that the money is (or might someday be) there. It's just not responsible to turn down such a big pay increase. Although, I don't know what he makes now; I would have to guess in the 200k range. Which means a mid-major like San Diego would more than double his compensation (Bill Grier made 552k in 2008). If he were to go to a major program, it would obviously be much more. I think Howland is getting around 1.5 guaranteed.

Also, that's a great point about his playing overseas for a long time. It kind of makes me think he's used to moving the family around.

 

[BelierPeaux]

As for Tinkle staying or leaving, he sure is building his resume. I feel the only way he leaves Missoula would be for a job with a Major conference team. He and his family love Missoula. He has 2 more kids to graduate. Also, he is not hurting for money. He did pretty well for himself playing overseas as long as he did. He see him as someone that likely made some good investments too.

He certainly is committed to taking the GRIZ program to higher levels. I cannot or will not question is desire and passion for Montana.

Heh, I don't know, I had heard from a guy that knew Tinks in college that he wasn't too good with money. A lot of doubling-down on the BBall trips! But I am sure that has changed by now!

 

[chitowngriz]

Unfortunately, it'll probably be a reality we have to face, and likely sooner rather than later. If Tinks has some success in the tournament, he'll get a lot of looks. The worry I have is that he gets an offer from a Pepperdine or USD or USF, something that takes him close to Jos. I know he'd love to be able to see more of her and her games.

Maybe. But she's only there a few more years. Why take a job away from Missoula for maybe seeing your daughter play for a few years and then having to live in an area you wouldn't like as much? If Tinkle can build the interest in this program to near sellout levels night after night I think we will have another long-term coach a la Selvig. (I'm admittedly hopeful, yes.)

That would be awesome. I really think he's building something terrific here.

Agree. Although, nobody likes to be underpaid. It's not public info, but most people think Few gets around 600-750k plus incentives, and that is very low for the caliber of the program. Does UM even pay
Tinkle 200k? I don't really care how much somebody likes a place, leaving a shit ton of money on the table is flat out dumb, and I don't think Tinkle would do it. I also don't think UM has the aware enough to realize that good coaches leave when you don't pay them. Just because the FB team plays in the second division doesn't mean the rest of the sports do. Dollar. Dollar. Bills. Y'all.

Gotta factor in cost of living. 200k in Missoula goes about as far 1/2mil in san Fran and san Diego. He'll get his coin and stay in MT.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

Gotta factor in cost of living. 200k in Missoula goes about as far 1/2mil in san Fran and san Diego. He'll get his coin and stay in MT.

Pullman, Phoenix, Vegas, Norman, Stillwater, Lubbock, College Station...pretty much anywhere that's not next to an ocean.

 

[GrizLA]

Gotta factor in cost of living. 200k in Missoula goes about as far 1/2mil in san Fran and san Diego. He'll get his coin and stay in MT.

Pullman, Phoenix, Vegas, Norman, Stillwater, Lubbock, College Station...pretty much anywhere that's not next to an ocean.

The problem with those places is not the location or salary..they seem to always find a way to pay top dollar, but they actually expect a coach to produce and oftentimes show little patience. So, is it worth staying where you have roots, family, history, and admiration and people who are a lot more flexible during the down years or, do you gamble that you can implement a winning program somewhere else and do it quickly. Tough choice, but being older and wiser, I know which I would choose.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

Gotta factor in cost of living. 200k in Missoula goes about as far 1/2mil in san Fran and san Diego. He'll get his coin and stay in MT.

Pullman, Phoenix, Vegas, Norman, Stillwater, Lubbock, College Station...pretty much anywhere that's not next to an ocean.

The problem with those places is not the location or salary..they seem to always find a way to pay top dollar, but they actually expect a coach to produce and oftentimes show little patience. So, is it worth staying where you have roots, family, history, and admiration and people who are a lot more flexible during the down years or, do you gamble that you can implement a winning program somewhere else and do it quickly. Tough choice, but being older and wiser, I know which I would choose.

I hear you. He might just stick around a la Few, but on a much lower salary. I think Few made the right decision sticking around in the face of UA and UO interest over the years. But the difference between 650k in Spoky and $1 million elsewhere is much less than the difference between Tinks' salary in Missoula and what he'd make almost anywhere else.

It's tough to turn down the coin. All I could find on Tinkle's salary is that he made 115k in 07-08. Ouch. Especially when you are beating peeps who make, wait for it, more than ten times that amount. Gas and groceries cost the same for everyone, so the purchasing and investing power of his "peers" is even more disparate. I love Missoula as much as anyone, but professionally, I don't think I could be persuaded to live there (even adjusted for COL) when the legal market here starts a first year associate at the pay level it does.

EDIT: to say that I'm sorry that I didn't really address your comment. It is very true that the places I mentioned would want results quickly, and they will oust a guy to lower coachdom if he doesn't produce. Valid point. See, e.g., Dan Monson, 2009 base = 150k with LBSU. But he did make close to or over a million at Minnesota for 8 years.

 

[GrizDDS]

Gotta factor in cost of living. 200k in Missoula goes about as far 1/2mil in san Fran and san Diego. He'll get his coin and stay in MT.

Pullman, Phoenix, Vegas, Norman, Stillwater, Lubbock, College Station...pretty much anywhere that's not next to an ocean.

The problem with those places is not the location or salary..they seem to always find a way to pay top dollar, but they actually expect a coach to produce and oftentimes show little patience. So, is it worth staying where you have roots, family, history, and admiration and people who are a lot more flexible during the down years or, do you gamble that you can implement a winning program somewhere else and do it quickly. Tough choice, but being older and wiser, I know which I would choose.

The Griz fans are even flexible during the up years. About 4,000 per game for a team that should have 3 losses. Being underappreciated by the administration is one thing; being underappreciated by the administration and the fans is a bad combo.

 

[Umista]

Win and up goes your salary! Robin Selvig wins and stays, has a great life with less stress.
Tinks has indicated to me is happy as hell and plans to stay in Msla. My bet is he sticks around. Move his kids etc.....I say he stays. Stay tuned.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

Win and up goes your salary! Robin Selvig wins and stays, has a great life with less stress.
Tinks has indicated to me is happy as hell and plans to stay in Msla. My bet is he sticks around. Move his kids etc.....I say he stays. Stay tuned.

Selvig's a great coach, but if Tinkle has the same degree of success in national tournaments that Selvig has had over the last decade, I'm sure he'll remain at UM. I was talking more about a hypothetical situation in which the Griz string together several consecutive first round wins in the dance with maybe a couple runs. No, he's not darting for Laramie or Moscow (eight miles east, though...).

 

[CDAGRIZ]

Consider a situation in which a dude can remain in a place making 115k, and lets make it 150k for the sake of illustration. Or, he can go to a place where he makes 500k (low). Say he stays in the latter place for only 6 years before getting canned. He will have made the same amount in six years than he would have made in 20 at the place where his "roots" are. Then, he has 14 more years to outrace the earnings he would have earned in Missoula. He could then move back to Missoula, become a barista at Starbucks, and still come out ahead (not even considering the interest he earned on investments in the interim).

Exaggerate the example to see that Howland makes in 10 years what it would take Tinkle 100 years to make at UM (assuming Tinkle makes 150k, and proportionate raises). I cannot see why anyone would stay in Missoula, as great as it is, being paid what they pay him if 500k+ offers come about. That's all I'm saying.