GRIZ/BYU game thread

[rainbear14]

maroon colored possibly but, without Cherry, no Ward presence, foul trouble, Coleman doesn't show,and the home court, I don't think it is all that bad. The team came out just flat in the first 10 min and turned over the ball and it is hard to dig out on the road. I think Martin showed some promise...it is Bball and there will be nights like this. I didn't care for the start nor the ending but BYU is a good ball club..just out of top 10 in mid-major poll. Better showing in SanFran, I expect.

 

[MissoulaMarinerFan]

I agree with a lot of your points, MMF. Certainly our post play isn't where it needs to be. And for the years the Griz have been the worst, most tentative team I've ever when they're one foot from the hoop. Passing was terrible; turnovers were ridiculous.

But can you argue with me that if you take away the first 4 minutes and the last 4 minutes that UM played AT LEAST even, if not better?

All I'm saying is that when you're missing the best player in the league, it's a little hard to say you were outclassed. Match those teams on a neutral floor with Will? I like our chances.

Not arguing that. I agree, I feel like Ward has fed all our players the stupid pill when they get within 5 feet of the basket. Pump fake, pump fake, pass out, or go up and get blocked. It was nice to see us continually driving the ball instead of settling for jumpers and stuff...and yeah, you could take away the first 4 minutes and last 4 minutes...but, consistent teams usually don't have the 1st 4 minutes and last 4 minutes we had. However, give me Cherry, neutral court (or hell, even at home) - the game is way different. But tonight, with who we had playing, they were outclassed. Henderson was guarding Hawes like a madman, and saw fall-away after fall-way go in. Plus, their beast down low. Nothing really you could do.

 

[EverettGriz]

feel like Ward has fed all our players the stupid pill when they get within 5 feet of the basket. Pump fake, pump fake, pass out, or go up and get blocked

THIS!!!!!!!!!

This has to a be a coaching issue. I mean, I love Tinks and he was obviously a great post player. But jezus, take the ball up STRONG AND SLAM THE DAMN THE THING!!!!!!! It drives me insane!!!

Oh, and Hawes is a great talent. There's no stoppin' that dude.

As for Davies, who definitely played well: All you really need to know there is 15 fouls to ZERO. I mean, I don't think I've ever heard of such a thing.

 

[MissoulaMarinerFan]

feel like Ward has fed all our players the stupid pill when they get within 5 feet of the basket. Pump fake, pump fake, pass out, or go up and get blocked

THIS!!!!!!!!!

This has to a be a coaching issue. I mean, I love Tinks and he was obviously a great post player. But jezus, take the ball up STRONG AND SLAM THE DAMN THE THING!!!!!!! It drives me insane!!!

Oh, and Hawes is a great talent. There's no stoppin' that dudue.

Hey! We agree! :thumb:

 

[SWeberCat02]

The Griz will be just fine. Don't panic and don't give up. I was starting to really worry about Weber too, but then they pull off a nice upset in Dayton.

 

[grizindabox]

feel like Ward has fed all our players the stupid pill when they get within 5 feet of the basket. Pump fake, pump fake, pass out, or go up and get blocked

THIS!!!!!!!!!

This has to a be a coaching issue. I mean, I love Tinks and he was obviously a great post player. But jezus, take the ball up STRONG AND SLAM THE DAMN THE THING!!!!!!! It drives me insane!!!

Oh, and Hawes is a great talent. There's no stoppin' that dude.

As for Davies, who definitely played well: All you really need to know there is 15 fouls to ZERO. I mean, I don't think I've ever heard of such a thing.

Montana has no big guy that puts pressure on another's team big guy to play defense in the paint...there lies the difference. Montana must find a big guy that will take the ball to the hoop strong and force guys like Davies to play defense.

 

[EverettGriz]

Your point is certainly valid, box.

But you can watch 7 minutes of that game and foul out Davies on the same 5 calls that Ward got (I know, because I just did on my DVR). And when the fouls are 15-0, there is clearly something amiss.

Again, UM's inside presence has to improve dramatically and quickly if they want to compete with top echelon teams. But you can't expect much more when the foul discrepancy is that outrageous.

 

[Jerry Punch]

Your point is certainly valid, box.

But you can watch 7 minutes of that game and foul out Davies on the same 5 calls that Ward got (I know, because I just did on my DVR). And when the fouls are 15-0, there is clearly something amiss.

Again, UM's inside presence has to improve dramatically and quickly if they want to compete with top echelon teams. But you can't expect much more when the foul discrepancy is that outrageous.

Yep, all a conspiracy. Is that the same reason why UM didn't beat Wisconsin in the tourney like everyone said they would?

 

[citygriz]

i missed the game. i was listening to mick holien. ("he gets the shooters roll and it drops outta there." or: "the pass in to deshields and he's fouled and tied up." or, twice: "byu had the first international all-american." ah, did you catch his name tag?)

still, unless you're kentucky, you're not going to play one of the better programs in the country and compete with a true freshman center, and an untested sophomore point guard. for a while there we had big-time bigs and cherry at the point, and we were riding in first class. tinks had it set up with reader, who looked like he had real potential, and kovacevic, but once they bailed, and cherry got hurt, we were back in row 67, near the toilets. the pieces are all here--good young talent at all positions--but that talent has to mature. until it does, there will be nights like last night, and it won't be the only one.

 

[Proud Griz Man]

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It looks like BYU fouls 17 and Montana fouls 22 in the box score, with some Distortion in that 15 fouls were against the Grizzlies over 6'7".

 

[griz71]

After watching the game and reading all the posts, I would submit that had we been playing with Cherry and Hutch in the lineup, the game would have been under a 10 point result and we would have had a decent shot at a "W". CLEARLY, when you have 15 fouls to 0 at one position, something is out of whack---even a neutral observer would grasp that .

That said we obviously need to shore up our rotations on defernse, look forward to the return of Will and Hutch, and like Everett said--when the bigs get the rock under the hoop STUFF IT PLEASE!!! Send a meassage to your opponents....

 

[granitegriz]

Take a chill pill Everett. It is a game. The officiating was very poor but did not cost the Griz the game. You don't need bash every religion in your outrage. Do you really think there is some type conspiracy? Get back on your medication old man. :thumb:

 

[keena52]

After watching the replay, i dont think the officiating was nearly as bad as it was verse CSU, or the worst ever(the game at UNC a couple years ago)! However it was odd that even Davies was suprised by not having a single foul, and 15-0 on the inside is odd, but we were very much out of position and had youth in there. Ward had a bad game, seemed to be forcing stuff rather than letting the game come to him, and he was cold! He also cant rebound for a big guy, kinda getting old, and he is getting further and further away from the basket.(also in constant foul trouble) What really lost this game was TO's and the amount of pnts BYU scored off of them, and we shot like crap, but they did play scrappy defense! We also quit moving the ball and people took selfish bad shots. Tinks has got to be upset about how we got out of our offense! We kinda rebounded ok in this one though, but other than that, we should have never been embarrassed by 25 pnts to any team but maybe a top 10er!

 

[keena52]

Also congrats to Weber for getting the conference a quality win! Think Dayton's RPI was like 26 or something? Good win!

 

[moose/squirrel]

After watching the game and reading all the posts, I would submit that had we been playing with Cherry and Hutch in the lineup, the game would have been under a 10 point result and we would have had a decent shot at a "W". CLEARLY, when you have 15 fouls to 0 at one position, something is out of whack---even a neutral observer would grasp that .

That said we obviously need to shore up our rotations on defernse, look forward to the return of Will and Hutch, and like Everett said--when the bigs get the rock under the hoop STUFF IT PLEASE!!! Send a meassage to your opponents....

Would have only mattered as far as the final score being 12 or 15 vs 20 plus. Love Ward but he's a small forward, can't defend a skilled player in the post when he has 30 pounds and skills like Davis. Martin was laughably over his head trying to guard this dude, no offense to Andy. In a couple years I bet he will be an impact player.

We have some weaknesses with bigs, won't change over the winter. We can still take the conference if Will gets back soon. If we get to the dance it will be a short one. Still like where Tinks is taking the program.

 

[moose/squirrel]

Your point is certainly valid, box.

But you can watch 7 minutes of that game and foul out Davies on the same 5 calls that Ward got (I know, because I just did on my DVR). And when the fouls are 15-0, there is clearly something amiss.

Again, UM's inside presence has to improve dramatically and quickly if they want to compete with top echelon teams. But you can't expect much more when the foul discrepancy is that outrageous.

Yep, all a conspiracy. Is that the same reason why UM didn't beat Wisconsin in the tourney like everyone said they would?

Jerry, punch yourself in the head and pick up your troll of the year award and then piss off. :roll: :roll: :roll:

 

[EverettGriz]

Take a chill pill Everett. It is a game. The officiating was very poor but did not cost the Griz the game. You don't need bash every religion in your outrage. Do you really think there is some type conspiracy? Get back on your medication old man. :thumb:

Definitely didn't cost the Griz the game. Never stated that it did. But to suggest it wasn't a factor makes one a simpleton. Even the fans on the Weber board are saying it was horrible officiating and that the Griz got hosed.

A few examples:

i wish i could say that game you saw wasnt the most typical of byu home games but it was. it is not a coincidence we are 10-8 at home vs byu and 0-18 at byu.

Yeah I watched the game last night and was constantly shaking my head, BYU was getting all sorts of love from the zebras last night it was pathetic.

The really sad part of it, things would have been much worse if the game were to be played at YBU. I turned the game on, saw who the refs were, and knew how the game was going to go.

UM totally got bent over last night by the Zebras

It's never been as bad as what happened to Montana last night against BYU. IMO officiating has always been blatantly pro BYU on their own court, and obviously was last night in SLC, and refs should be checked for a garment line before being able to ref in Provo.

Montana got hosed last night

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I mean, those are Weber fans saying that. There's gotta be something to it, would you not agree?

Now, Montana lost the game because they're young, not good enough in the paint, were missing the best player in the league and playing a slightly better basketball team and played like shit the first 5 minutes. But to even suggest the officiating didn't impact that game in BYU's favor is ridiculous. You're not a homer when you're stating facts, and any viewer who is not a fan of BYU would agree.

As for medication, religion bashing, conspiracy theory and and a discussion on relative age, maybe next time. :thumb:

 

[moose/squirrel]

Your point is certainly valid, box.

But you can watch 7 minutes of that game and foul out Davies on the same 5 calls that Ward got (I know, because I just did on my DVR). And when the fouls are 15-0, there is clearly something amiss.

Again, UM's inside presence has to improve dramatically and quickly if they want to compete with top echelon teams. But you can't expect much more when the foul discrepancy is that outrageous.

Yep, all a conspiracy. Is that the same reason why UM didn't beat Wisconsin in the tourney like everyone said they would?

Jerry, punch yourself in the head and pick up your troll of the year award and then piss off. :roll: :roll: :roll:

 

[EverettGriz]

Your point is certainly valid, box.

But you can watch 7 minutes of that game and foul out Davies on the same 5 calls that Ward got (I know, because I just did on my DVR). And when the fouls are 15-0, there is clearly something amiss.

Again, UM's inside presence has to improve dramatically and quickly if they want to compete with top echelon teams. But you can't expect much more when the foul discrepancy is that outrageous.

Yep, all a conspiracy. Is that the same reason why UM didn't beat Wisconsin in the tourney like everyone said they would?

Jerry, punch yourself in the head and pick up your troll of the year award and then piss off. :roll: :roll: :roll:

It was worth a double post.

 

[Jerry Punch]

Your point is certainly valid, box.

But you can watch 7 minutes of that game and foul out Davies on the same 5 calls that Ward got (I know, because I just did on my DVR). And when the fouls are 15-0, there is clearly something amiss.

Again, UM's inside presence has to improve dramatically and quickly if they want to compete with top echelon teams. But you can't expect much more when the foul discrepancy is that outrageous.

Yep, all a conspiracy. Is that the same reason why UM didn't beat Wisconsin in the tourney like everyone said they would?

Jerry, punch yourself in the head and pick up your troll of the year award and then piss off. :roll: :roll: :roll:

It was worth a double post.

I'm back. Does the truth hurt? Did Griz fans not predict IN MASS that they would beat Wisconsin? It is just part of that arrogance that is so unique to the Griz fan base.