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[rocklobster]

Weber State fans have to be perplexed regarding Rahe. In his 1st 5 to 7 years, Weber State had amazing teams with a lot of talent, beyond what Big Sky teams normally get. The last few years, they have under performed. However, I just can't write off any Rahe coached team. They always have the capability of being the best in the conference, rather it be a for a game, or a whole season.

I really am not that knowledgeable of Rahe's coaching staffs, over his time there. I am curious, have there been some key losses to his staffs? What kind of turnover has there been with his staffs?

I really don't know what the problems are. I do know, the GRIZ are fortunate. DeCuire has always managed to have terrific assistants. His assistant head coach, Coach Cobb, is going to 1 day be an amazing Div 1 coach. I have complete faith in Coach Cobb taking over the program, if that time ever were to come. To be honest, I'd be disappointed if he wasn't chosen, in the event that DeCuire moved on.

As for Weber State talent, they often recruit the most talent in the league. However, I don't see many of their players dramatically improve. Their improvements are usually from 1 or 2 players each season. Meanwhile, the GRIZ continually have every player in their rotation make improvements throughout each season. The improvements are usually quite noticeable. Someone always manages to exceed expectations. This season, those players are DCH, Samuelson (I expected him to contribute, but not average double digits in conference play this season). Anderson may not have the stats to show his improvements, but his defensive presence is very valuable. Scarier yet, Owens and Vazquez have the talent to improve a lot by season's end. Vazquez just needs his shots to start falling, and that will likely happen. Owens, needs to trust his overall game. He is way too dependent on his perimeter shot. Defensively, all the freshmen are well ahead of where most freshmen are at.

I can actually see why Weber State fans question Rahe's ability to develop talent. I do know, BSC basketball is better, when Weber State performs up to it's talent level. I hope they get it together, except against the GRIZ.

Good post, Rule. And I agree with everything, particularly the bold para.

Salaries:
Rahe--$342,594.00--($70,000.00 approx. per victory in 2019/20)
DeCuire--$175,000.00--($15,900 approx. per victory in 2019/20)

Every year, I think the next year Travis is going to be gone. This is his best coaching job so far!
He deserves the money of a higher paid coach, and I hope doesn't leave, but this man is underpaid.
He's built a hell a program here, and next year looks incredible too! When does get his opportunity, he'll
deserve all the money he gets!

Go Griz!

 

[rocklobster]

Weber State fans have to be perplexed regarding Rahe. In his 1st 5 to 7 years, Weber State had amazing teams with a lot of talent, beyond what Big Sky teams normally get. The last few years, they have under performed. However, I just can't write off any Rahe coached team. They always have the capability of being the best in the conference, rather it be a for a game, or a whole season.

I really am not that knowledgeable of Rahe's coaching staffs, over his time there. I am curious, have there been some key losses to his staffs? What kind of turnover has there been with his staffs?

I really don't know what the problems are. I do know, the GRIZ are fortunate. DeCuire has always managed to have terrific assistants. His assistant head coach, Coach Cobb, is going to 1 day be an amazing Div 1 coach. I have complete faith in Coach Cobb taking over the program, if that time ever were to come. To be honest, I'd be disappointed if he wasn't chosen, in the event that DeCuire moved on.

As for Weber State talent, they often recruit the most talent in the league. However, I don't see many of their players dramatically improve. Their improvements are usually from 1 or 2 players each season. Meanwhile, the GRIZ continually have every player in their rotation make improvements throughout each season. The improvements are usually quite noticeable. Someone always manages to exceed expectations. This season, those players are DCH, Samuelson (I expected him to contribute, but not average double digits in conference play this season). Anderson may not have the stats to show his improvements, but his defensive presence is very valuable. Scarier yet, Owens and Vazquez have the talent to improve a lot by season's end. Vazquez just needs his shots to start falling, and that will likely happen. Owens, needs to trust his overall game. He is way too dependent on his perimeter shot. Defensively, all the freshmen are well ahead of where most freshmen are at.

I can actually see why Weber State fans question Rahe's ability to develop talent. I do know, BSC basketball is better, when Weber State performs up to it's talent level. I hope they get it together, except against the GRIZ.

Good post, Rule. And I agree with everything, particularly the bold para.

Salaries:
Rahe--$342,594.00--($70,000.00 approx. per victory in 2019/20)
DeCuire--$175,000.00--($15,900 approx. per victory in 2019/20)

Every year, I think the next year Travis is going to be gone. This is his best coaching job so far!
He deserves the money of a higher paid coach, and I hope doesn't leave, but this man is underpaid.
He's built a hell a program here, and next year looks incredible too! When does get his opportunity, he'll
deserve all the money he gets!

Go Griz!

I have that math dyslexia thing. Rahe's is $57,000.00 per victory!

 

[Grizbballfan14]

I'm pretty sure Lillard has a lot of love for coach Rahe, and it helps to have the support of the most famous alumni in school history. It also benefits the school to keep said alumni happy because he is a very visible recruiting tool for the program as well as a potential booster.

Not saying this was their reason for giving such a long extension, but it couldnt have hurt.

 

[Grizbballfan14]

He seemed to have done a pretty good job with Lilliard, Bolomboy and Senglin. People get spoiled pretty easily and forget that grass is always greener thing.

I think if you talk to weber people they’d say he did a great job finding that talent. But I think they’d question the development piece. Obviously DL was a once in a lifetime deal, but did Joel and Senglin really improve from their freshman to senior seasons?

And even with those players Rahe was never able to beat the GRIZ for a title.

Bolomboy couldn't make a shot outside 5 feet early though he was always a rebounding machine and phenomenal athlete and was hitting 20 footers and got drafted his last year. But maybe that doesn't count as development. I've always thought Rahe was a bit of a peckerhead, but never thought he wasn't a good coach. Like DeCuire he's recruiting into a sucky conference (which you point out daily) and a tough place to sell city guys on coming to. Was listening to Tootell and Nuanez talk with a guy from the Ogden local rag and Weber has been slammed by injuries this year (see Roy Williams and NC this season). So the long knives come out, lol. If they think they can find someone better to come to Ogden more power to them, I'll stick with them being spoiled by steady success.

You can also point to the last time UNC struggled in 2010. A lot of people were down on Roy Williams (despite having just won a national championship) but UNC stuck by him and since then they have won another national championship. Programs go through ups and downs, more so in College Basketball than almost any other sport.

 

[SWeberCat02]

Most Weber fans have known for a decade that Rahe is not a good basketball coach. Tinkle and AJ exposed his lack of coaching skills in 2010. And Tinkle always owned him. He's had some success due mainly to being able to get some good talent that has compensated for his poor coaching. He hit the lottery with Lillard and still never made the dance with him. How in the hell do you not make it with Dame? Now we're stuck with him thanks to the former AD giving his sorry ass a ridiculous 8 year contract and he makes at least twice what any other coach in the conference makes. Weber can't afford a buyout so we get an 8 year Rahe farewell tour. Attendance and fan moral hasn't been this bad in Ogden since the 1980s. And next season looks to be worse. Enjoy the game Griz fans, I won't be watching.

I agree that an 8-year contract is crazy.

from last yr:
"Weber State led the Big Sky in average attendance for the 11th-straight season and 16th time in the last 18 years with an average of 6,755 fans across 15 contests. The Wildcats sat more than 5,000 fans in all 15 home games."

Update:and while I have seen a couple Weber home games drew less than 5000 this year, they still dominate attendance in the Big Sky. I just googled and found that Weber's enrollment is 28,000 now! Holy crap, who knew?

IMO anything more than four years for a coaching contract is crazy. Like it or not, sports is a "what have you done for me lately" business. And it's a big business, so it should be that way. Long contracts lead to complacency. Ed Orgeron just got a six year contract. And all he did was put together maybe the greatest college football team ever and win the NC. Rahe gets eight years and hasn't won a single NCAA tournament game. Now the AD that gave it to him has moved on and doesn't have to deal with the consequences.

As far as attendance goes, I don't doubt that Weber has, and still does, lead the conference in attendance. But don't believe the numbers they post. It's well known they count tickets sold/given away and not actual butts in the seat. I'm guessing actual attendance is usually half the reported number. But, idk, maybe most schools do it this way. And maybe the worst thing about Rahe is now he's calling out the fans for not supporting the program that he's ran into the ground. That's not sitting well with this fan and many others.

Yes, enrollment is still growing. Utah's population and economy continue to grow at impressive rates, which really helps. Plus Utahns really value education and Weber is affordable and easy to get into. But what's always been concerning is that the large enrollment doesn't equal student support at games. Part of that is the type of school Weber is. It's definitely a community based commuter school.

 

[NorthEndZoneDan]

Weber State fans have to be perplexed regarding Rahe. In his 1st 5 to 7 years, Weber State had amazing teams with a lot of talent, beyond what Big Sky teams normally get. The last few years, they have under performed. However, I just can't write off any Rahe coached team. They always have the capability of being the best in the conference, rather it be a for a game, or a whole season.

I really am not that knowledgeable of Rahe's coaching staffs, over his time there. I am curious, have there been some key losses to his staffs? What kind of turnover has there been with his staffs?

I really don't know what the problems are. I do know, the GRIZ are fortunate. DeCuire has always managed to have terrific assistants. His assistant head coach, Coach Cobb, is going to 1 day be an amazing Div 1 coach. I have complete faith in Coach Cobb taking over the program, if that time ever were to come. To be honest, I'd be disappointed if he wasn't chosen, in the event that DeCuire moved on.

As for Weber State talent, they often recruit the most talent in the league. However, I don't see many of their players dramatically improve. Their improvements are usually from 1 or 2 players each season. Meanwhile, the GRIZ continually have every player in their rotation make improvements throughout each season. The improvements are usually quite noticeable. Someone always manages to exceed expectations. This season, those players are DCH, Samuelson (I expected him to contribute, but not average double digits in conference play this season). Anderson may not have the stats to show his improvements, but his defensive presence is very valuable. Scarier yet, Owens and Vazquez have the talent to improve a lot by season's end. Vazquez just needs his shots to start falling, and that will likely happen. Owens, needs to trust his overall game. He is way too dependent on his perimeter shot. Defensively, all the freshmen are well ahead of where most freshmen are at.

I can actually see why Weber State fans question Rahe's ability to develop talent. I do know, BSC basketball is better, when Weber State performs up to it's talent level. I hope they get it together, except against the GRIZ.

Good post, Rule. And I agree with everything, particularly the bold para.

Salaries:
Rahe--$342,594.00--($70,000.00 approx. per victory in 2019/20)
DeCuire--$175,000.00--($15,900 approx. per victory in 2019/20)

Every year, I think the next year Travis is going to be gone. This is his best coaching job so far!
He deserves the money of a higher paid coach, and I hope doesn't leave, but this man is underpaid.
He's built a hell a program here, and next year looks incredible too! When does get his opportunity, he'll
deserve all the money he gets!

Go Griz!

The 175,000 is his base salary. His contract included bonuses and incentives for scheduling up to play in the non conference. Kyle Hansen wrote about it earlier this month. The incentive bonuses alone were worth a little north of 220,000 putting him at nearly 400 large for the year. The AD deserves a huge shout out for finding creative ways to compensate Travis and hopefully keep him around for a little longer.

 

[citygriz]

I don't think with Rahe it's about the x's and o's. It's about the $ and cents.

We have Dennis Washington; Weber has Damian Lillard. And while Dame is not a billionaire, he makes about $30 mill a year and has the third most lucrative shoe contract in the NBA. Plus, many athletes today are finding lucrative post-career investment opportunities.

This is all about Dame, and his apparently close relationship to Rahe.

This is about the money.

 

[SWeberCat02]

Most Weber fans have known for a decade that Rahe is not a good basketball coach. Tinkle and AJ exposed his lack of coaching skills in 2010. And Tinkle always owned him. He's had some success due mainly to being able to get some good talent that has compensated for his poor coaching. He hit the lottery with Lillard and still never made the dance with him. How in the hell do you not make it with Dame? Now we're stuck with him thanks to the former AD giving his sorry ass a ridiculous 8 year contract and he makes at least twice what any other coach in the conference makes. Weber can't afford a buyout so we get an 8 year Rahe farewell tour. Attendance and fan moral hasn't been this bad in Ogden since the 1980s. And next season looks to be worse. Enjoy the game Griz fans, I won't be watching.

This is all I'm sayin....

Pure Gold, SWC.......nominating for opposing fans POTY :thumb:
Please do let us know, you'll be all right. I'm worried about you. :thumb:

:lol: I'm all good. I've always been a much bigger football fan and now that we finally have a program we can be proud of, I'm enjoying the ride.

 

[SWeberCat02]

Good point some of you have made about Lillard. Lillard is a hugely loyal guy and is very close to Rahe. I'm sure everyone involved in the University walks on egg shells trying not to do anything to upset or disappoint Dame. And I'm sure he would not be happy if Rahe was fired.

 

[mtgrizrule]

Good point some of you have made about Lillard. Lillard is a hugely loyal guy and is very close to Rahe. I'm sure everyone involved in the University walks on egg shells trying not to do anything to upset or disappoint Dame. And I'm sure he would not be happy if Rahe was fired.

SWC, thanks for the insight and friendly banter, before this game. I wish we could get more opposing fans to discuss games, programs, etc, without derailing threads.

 

[Griz1]

Good point some of you have made about Lillard. Lillard is a hugely loyal guy and is very close to Rahe. I'm sure everyone involved in the University walks on egg shells trying not to do anything to upset or disappoint Dame. And I'm sure he would not be happy if Rahe was fired.

I always felt that we could not beat Weber if Lillard would go one on one with us and take over the game like Johnson did in the tournament. The thing I did admire about Lillard is that he was the consummate team player, very humble, and also always played within the team concept where if he desired he could have taken over offensively any time he wanted but he always had a team first attitude sometimes to the detriment of the team.

 

[CleanHOUSE]

Weber hasn't had superior talent for a few years. They have two very good guards, one of home, Harding, has been hampered by injury much of this year. He's just now getting healthy. John is a very good player. Their bigs are marginal, their bench scored a TOTAL of 10 points over a three-game span, including against ISU, and they are getting absolutely killed on the boards. They are not a very good team. True, they did lose their starting 4-man second game of the season, but their talent is not top tier anymore.

What happened to Nero, when I saw them last year I thought John and Nero looked like the might be big time, and they would have a trio of Harding, John, and Nero pouring it in.

 

[Hoops watcher]

I can't necessarily argue, HW. I'm just relaying what the hardcore Weber fans are saying, and have been prior to this year. FWIW, they aren't buying the injury excuses this year, either. Perhaps that's because they feel Rahe always has an excuse.

I will stand by my belief that Rahe is a poor in-game coach, however. He has superior talent to nearly everyone not named Montana in the bsc, but Weber repeatedly finds remarkable ways to lose games.

Rahe is certainly one of the most animated coaches in the Big Sky and I have always "loved to hate him". I don't know how a guy 5'4 can recruit and motivate players or intimidate refs, but he has been successful, so i have always respected him, even while kinda hating him. I don't know if he is a "poor in-game coach". I guess I'd need to hear further prove to believe that. He HAS always recruited talent, and that is,at least, half the battle in the Big Sky.

My sentiments almost exactly. Could he be wearing out his welcome at Weber, I suppose, not something I care about? It seems per EG Weber fans think they can upgrade, if so not my concern. My opinion is easier said than done on the subject but if I don't really give a crap I don't know why anyone would care whether I do or not. :lol:

The determining factor on teams with big time talent is can the coach get players with personal objectives (NBA) to place team success above personal goals. "In game" matchup adjustments matter but aren't rocket science. Results late in games usually depend on guys making free throws, not much a coach can do there in that moment.

 

[rocklobster]

Weber State fans have to be perplexed regarding Rahe. In his 1st 5 to 7 years, Weber State had amazing teams with a lot of talent, beyond what Big Sky teams normally get. The last few years, they have under performed. However, I just can't write off any Rahe coached team. They always have the capability of being the best in the conference, rather it be a for a game, or a whole season.

I really am not that knowledgeable of Rahe's coaching staffs, over his time there. I am curious, have there been some key losses to his staffs? What kind of turnover has there been with his staffs?

I really don't know what the problems are. I do know, the GRIZ are fortunate. DeCuire has always managed to have terrific assistants. His assistant head coach, Coach Cobb, is going to 1 day be an amazing Div 1 coach. I have complete faith in Coach Cobb taking over the program, if that time ever were to come. To be honest, I'd be disappointed if he wasn't chosen, in the event that DeCuire moved on.

As for Weber State talent, they often recruit the most talent in the league. However, I don't see many of their players dramatically improve. Their improvements are usually from 1 or 2 players each season. Meanwhile, the GRIZ continually have every player in their rotation make improvements throughout each season. The improvements are usually quite noticeable. Someone always manages to exceed expectations. This season, those players are DCH, Samuelson (I expected him to contribute, but not average double digits in conference play this season). Anderson may not have the stats to show his improvements, but his defensive presence is very valuable. Scarier yet, Owens and Vazquez have the talent to improve a lot by season's end. Vazquez just needs his shots to start falling, and that will likely happen. Owens, needs to trust his overall game. He is way too dependent on his perimeter shot. Defensively, all the freshmen are well ahead of where most freshmen are at.

I can actually see why Weber State fans question Rahe's ability to develop talent. I do know, BSC basketball is better, when Weber State performs up to it's talent level. I hope they get it together, except against the GRIZ.

Good post, Rule. And I agree with everything, particularly the bold para.

Salaries:
Rahe--$342,594.00--($70,000.00 approx. per victory in 2019/20)
DeCuire--$175,000.00--($15,900 approx. per victory in 2019/20)

Every year, I think the next year Travis is going to be gone. This is his best coaching job so far!
He deserves the money of a higher paid coach, and I hope doesn't leave, but this man is underpaid.
He's built a hell a program here, and next year looks incredible too! When does get his opportunity, he'll
deserve all the money he gets!

Go Griz!

The 175,000 is his base salary. His contract included bonuses and incentives for scheduling up to play in the non conference. Kyle Hansen wrote about it earlier this month. The incentive bonuses alone were worth a little north of 220,000 putting him at nearly 400 large for the year. The AD deserves a huge shout out for finding creative ways to compensate Travis and hopefully keep him around for a little longer.

Good to know! Thanks!

 

[Hoops watcher]

Good point some of you have made about Lillard. Lillard is a hugely loyal guy and is very close to Rahe. I'm sure everyone involved in the University walks on egg shells trying not to do anything to upset or disappoint Dame. And I'm sure he would not be happy if Rahe was fired.

I always felt that we could not beat Weber if Lillard would go one on one with us and take over the game like Johnson did in the tournament. The thing I did admire about Lillard is that he was the consummate team player, very humble, and also always played within the team concept where if he desired he could have taken over offensively any time he wanted but he always had a team first attitude sometimes to the detriment of the team.

I had that same feeling watching those games and was sure he could have gone all AJ v Weber 2nd half any time he decided to. Watched him slice and dice through our whole D at will, knew it would happen again the next possession and then he'd let teammates do their thing for a few minutes before taking over again. I was on the floor in high school with a couple guys who later played in the NBA (at my best I was a mediocre D3 team bench warmer) and you know how good guys like that are and it's a helpless feeling. Granted that was 45 years ago, but I doubt it's different today.

 

[Grizbballfan14]

Montana is lucky to have the coaching tree that it does. Whether they're coaching in Missoula or somewhere else, Montana coaches have consistently given guys with connections to the program an opportunity to grow as assistants. It has literally taken decades to build, but it is paying dividends.

I would argue it's the number one reason why we have surpassed Weber as the premier basketball team in the big sky conference.

 

[IdaGriz01]

Montana is lucky to have the coaching tree that it does. Whether they're coaching in Missoula or somewhere else, Montana coaches have consistently given guys with connections to the program an opportunity to grow as assistants. It has literally taken decades to build, but it is paying dividends.

I would argue it's the number one reason why we have surpassed Weber as the premier basketball team in the big sky conference.

Now the Griz need to go out and prove that ... on the road.

In case you missed it, EWU just handed SUU its third Big Sky loss. Took overtime (81-78), but the Griz can increase their separation on the T-Birds if they can take care of business tonight.

GO GRIZ! :egriz:

 

[NorthEndZoneDan]

Montana is lucky to have the coaching tree that it does. Whether they're coaching in Missoula or somewhere else, Montana coaches have consistently given guys with connections to the program an opportunity to grow as assistants. It has literally taken decades to build, but it is paying dividends.

I would argue it's the number one reason why we have surpassed Weber as the premier basketball team in the big sky conference.

Now the Griz need to go out and prove that ... on the road.

In case you missed it, EWU just handed SUU its third Big Sky loss. Took overtime (81-78), but the Griz can increase their separation on the T-Birds if they can take care of business tonight.

GO GRIZ! :egriz:

ewoo has been playing tough lately, three in a row since we met, two of which were road wins.

 

[Bear Axed]

At least the dWeed Administration was able to hire the best available scorekeeper in Southern Idaho... it's must be the same gal from Thursday night :thumb:

 

[mtgrizrule]

Falls is on fire this game. It would be great, if we can get this kind of scoring from Falls rest of this season. We sure need it. Terrific steal and assist by Vazquez.