Gregorak's coaching cost Griz the win versus Poly

[PlayerRep]

I'm not trying to discredit you wolfman. But it WAS IN FACT Mick who commented that the Griz need to force Poly to the inside.

And I was also all in favor of forcing CP inside, but it really is very difficult to do, and doing it runs risks of allowing bigger runs off the edge. Maybe UM should have shifted to more zone coverage, but that also has risks and doesn't necessary force runners going to the sidelines to stay in bounds. I know you know that.

 

[Atlanta Griz1]

I just watched the replay on Altitude of the last 10 minutes of the Cal Poly game. It clearly shows that Ty's lack of coaching his defenders in the final minute cost us the game, contrary to what Playa Rape lied about to protect his coaching buddy.

Playa accuses me of making up stuff, but it is HE who is caught making up stuff. I encourage any fan who TIVO'ed the game to watch the final two minutes. At the 0.34 minute mark, POLY was still 15 -18 yards away from trying a 49-yard FG for the win. They had no way to stop the clock, having used all 3 TOs. The ONLY way they could hope to stop the clock long enough to get their FG unit into the game, was to go out-of-bounds.

If they force the Poly QB to run the ball, instead of pitching it wide so that the back could go out-of-bounds to stop the clock, the game is over.... with the clock running and with no way to get the FG team on the field. But, instead of calling a TO, and instructing his defenders to take away the pitch thus preventing the RB from stopping the clock, he watches from the sideline while Poly ran three consecutive outside pitch plays, each gaining 4-7 yards, stopping the clock, and getting them into FG position. None of them took more that 6-7 seconds. Any play being stopped in the playing field ends the game. PERIOD!

Playa Rape made excuses for not keeping the runner in-bounds by saying that the Poly WR's took the CBs deep. This is simply not true. Watch the re-play, as I did over-and-over again. Key on what the wide receivers were doing on the last three plays before the FG. They were blocking for the pitch back, and NOT going down the field. Ty blew it. Any D-coordinator worth his salt would have called TO to make sure his charges knew what to do, instead of just allowing Poly to do the same thing 3 straight downs to get them into position for the game-winning FG. Just sayin'.

The commentator mention this exact concept during the last play or two.

Yes he did. He was a previous coach, and kept saying that the Griz should force the QB to keep the ball instead of pitching, thus forcing him to run inside, and when tackled, the time would expire before Poly could get the FG team on the field. Not too difficult to understand, except for the pedestrian clan.

None of the plays at the end were true options. The ball went wide, as CP was planning to run out of bounds. There was no way to take the pitch man and force the qb to run.

Oh my God, you just slammed the very argument that your minions are making, which is that the QB would run inside for big yardage if we committed to stopping the pitch man. LOL Way to support my position. Too many pedestrian fans on here who don't understand the finer points of coaching. They talk about how well the defense played, etc. But when it gets down to the nut-cutting and each play during the final minute is a win-lose situation, and it becomes a chess match between our coach and the other team's coach, our coach has to out-coach his opposing coach...... and Ty got schooled last Saturday night. Just admit and save what little dace you might have, which isn't much.

 

[Atlanta Griz1]

wolfman, buddy, the clock stops to move the chains on a first down which is what would happen if you don't force the qb to pitch the ball. Everyone except the griz coaches from the 90's who were torched by Georgia Southern knows this. Brint is right on this one for sure. Brown would have eaten up big chunks on keepers in a real hurry if he wasn't forced to pitch the ball.

Oh Bullsh*t! He didn't gain more than 5 yards on any carry the entire second half. Why would he suddenly become Michael Vick. I thought you were smarter than this. Obviously not.

If the player assigned to mark Brown had decided to jump wide to stop the pitchman from going out of bounds, Brown would have cut up field for big yards. You really don't understand the game, do you? If you had ever played football, you would understand basics like this. I have never heard of a team deciding to just defend the sideline--and letting the other team's qb and running back run straight up field for big yardage. Seems like a dumb strategy to me.

You must have been a pathetic DB. If you know that the opposing team has only one option, which is to go out of bounds to stop the clock. You have your CBs play to the outside shoulder of the WR, which forces the pitch back to run inside, where your safety and LB can tackle him in play, and the clock keeps running.

See how your excuses change to suit your latest ridiculous explanation? First you said that the reason our defense couldn't tackle the pitch back in bounds was because the CBs were down the field covering a WR. Now you offer other explanations after I watch the last three plays and the Poly WR stays home to help block for the pitch block. Funny sh*t watching you squirm when exposed.

 

[Inland NW Griz]

Another point, John Nguyen shouldn't be fielding punts. He watches to many punts hit the ground. A sure handed returner will run up in traffic and catch a punt.

 

[Atlanta Griz1]

I'm not trying to discredit you wolfman. But it WAS IN FACT Mick who commented that the Griz need to force Poly to the inside.

No, it wasn't I watched the last minute several times. It was the other announcer, and Mick agreed with him after he said it.

 

[Atlanta Griz1]

I'm done with this topic. I'm going to bed. Ta Ta dudes.

 

[BWahlberg]

wolfman, buddy, the clock stops to move the chains on a first down which is what would happen if you don't force the qb to pitch the ball. Everyone except the griz coaches from the 90's who were torched by Georgia Southern knows this. Brint is right on this one for sure. Brown would have eaten up big chunks on keepers in a real hurry if he wasn't forced to pitch the ball.

Damned if you do, damned if you don't. Ty took the choice that limited long runs and forced a long field goal attempt. The other option, giving Brown the middle of the field to run wild and get first downs (and stop the clock) would've set up a much shorter field goal attempt.

 

[PlayerRep]

wolfman, buddy, the clock stops to move the chains on a first down which is what would happen if you don't force the qb to pitch the ball. Everyone except the griz coaches from the 90's who were torched by Georgia Southern knows this. Brint is right on this one for sure. Brown would have eaten up big chunks on keepers in a real hurry if he wasn't forced to pitch the ball.

Oh Bullsh*t! He didn't gain more than 5 yards on any carry the entire second half. Why would he suddenly become Michael Vick. I thought you were smarter than this. Obviously not.

If the player assigned to mark Brown had decided to jump wide to stop the pitchman from going out of bounds, Brown would have cut up field for big yards. You really don't understand the game, do you? If you had ever played football, you would understand basics like this. I have never heard of a team deciding to just defend the sideline--and letting the other team's qb and running back run straight up field for big yardage. Seems like a dumb strategy to me.

You must have been a pathetic DB. If you know that the opposing team has only one option, which is to go out of bounds to stop the clock. You have your CBs play to the outside shoulder of the WR, which forces the pitch back to run inside, where your safety and LB can tackle him in play, and the clock keeps running.

I know more about defending the option, i.e. qb to pitchman, than any person posting on egriz right now. I know it from football; I also know it from rugby. (with my 15 years of football and 33 years of rugby, I have defended alot of options and pitches and lateral passes.) It's defended a bit different in the 2 sports, by the way. The UM corners were generally in man coverage. They followed their receivers down field, as they had to. They were not in position to defend runs in the 5 yard range. CP had many options. They could throw in the middle. They could throw out routes. They could throw swing passes. They could run options. They could run to the edge. They ran to the edge 3 out of 11 plays. How would UM done if they had had players standing on the sidelines on all 11 plays, as CP went downfield or down the middle of the field?

You want to see how a play was run, or what play was run, and then after-the-fact say how it should have been defended. Sorry, but it doesn't work that way.

 

[PlayerRep]

I'm done with this topic. I'm going to bed. Ta Ta dudes.

You're done with this topic because you just got your butt thoroughly kicked, and you're too old to stay up past 11.

 

[Inland NW Griz]

wolfman, buddy, the clock stops to move the chains on a first down which is what would happen if you don't force the qb to pitch the ball. Everyone except the griz coaches from the 90's who were torched by Georgia Southern knows this. Brint is right on this one for sure. Brown would have eaten up big chunks on keepers in a real hurry if he wasn't forced to pitch the ball.

Damned if you do, damned if you don't. Ty took the choice that limited long runs and forced a long field goal attempt. The other option, giving Brown the middle of the field to run wild and get first downs (and stop the clock) would've set up a much shorter field goal attempt.

Never should have come to that. This thread is stupid, because if if the offense took care of business it would be a win. Maybe comfortably. Between Brady missing passes and miss communication, it was a shit show this weekend.

 

[ilovethecats]

so stupid. of course you keep guys from going to the sideline! and you keep them from the endzone. and you keep them from catching passes. and getting first downs. but here's a crazy thing. there's guys on the other side of the ball trying to do the exact opposite....

 

[signedbewildered]

Several things could have cost us the win throughout the game. Pick your poison. Get over it.

Understood. But it does not negate the fact that a great D-coordinator would have not stood by with 2 time outs and allowed Poly to run the same outside pitch play three consecutive times to get them into position for the win, when ANY tackle in the field of play ends the game. Think about it! This is the little stuff that most fans gloss over, but which separates the great D-coordinators from the wannabees.

Anything else that may have cost us the game? There are four quarters you know. Many things you have choosed to ignore. Am I right? One point game. How many opportunities did we have to make up the difference throughout the game? Are you implying just one?

 

[grizfan95]

Growler has a point on this one. Tackle him once in bounds and its nearly game over. To argue otherwise doesn't make any sense. However, saying and doing are two different things.

 

[Inland NW Griz]

Growler has a point on this one. Tackle him once in bounds and its nearly game over. To argue otherwise doesn't make any sense. However, saying and doing are two different things.

Yea, and if the offense could pick up a very short yardage firstdown this conversation doesn't exist. The defense had a goal line stop and a safety. What did the offense do for the cause?

 

[BWahlberg]

wolfman, buddy, the clock stops to move the chains on a first down which is what would happen if you don't force the qb to pitch the ball. Everyone except the griz coaches from the 90's who were torched by Georgia Southern knows this. Brint is right on this one for sure. Brown would have eaten up big chunks on keepers in a real hurry if he wasn't forced to pitch the ball.

Damned if you do, damned if you don't. Ty took the choice that limited long runs and forced a long field goal attempt. The other option, giving Brown the middle of the field to run wild and get first downs (and stop the clock) would've set up a much shorter field goal attempt.

Never should have come to that. This thread is stupid, because if if the offense took care of business it would be a win. Maybe comfortably. Between Brady missing passes and miss communication, it was a shit show this weekend.

Agreed, the defense even gave us the lead late. There wasn't much more that they could've done.

 

[AZGrizFan]

Growler has a point on this one. Tackle him once in bounds and its nearly game over. To argue otherwise doesn't make any sense. However, saying and doing are two different things.

Maybe Sullivan cost us the game with the missed FG? If we'd had that, they'd have had to score a TD and not a FG. Or maybe one of the dropped passes that would have resulted in the first down? Or maybe the offensive line, not picking up that 4th down play with 1:21 to go? Or how about Stitt, by going for it on 4th down instead of pinning them deep with no TO's? ANY of those things happen and it's a moot point.

 

[grizfan95]

Growler has a point on this one. Tackle him once in bounds and its nearly game over. To argue otherwise doesn't make any sense. However, saying and doing are two different things.

Yea, and if the offense could pick up a very short yardage firstdown this conversation doesn't exist. The defense had a goal line stop and a safety. What did the offense do for the cause?

That's a different argument though. Don't get me wrong, this loss hangs squarely on the O's shoulders, however, the defense did have a chance to win it as well at the end and did not.

 

[AZGrizFan]

Growler has a point on this one. Tackle him once in bounds and its nearly game over. To argue otherwise doesn't make any sense. However, saying and doing are two different things.

Yea, and if the offense could pick up a very short yardage firstdown this conversation doesn't exist. The defense had a goal line stop and a safety. What did the offense do for the cause?

That's a different argument though. Don't get me wrong, this loss hangs squarely on the O's shoulders, however, the defense did have a chance to win it as well at the end and did not.

I can't wait to see what that offense (CP's) does to the other "defenses" in the BSC....I think by the end of the season we'll come to appreciate what an outstanding job our defense did in this game.

FOUR turnovers, and we're 1 point and 4 seconds from winning. Amazing.

 

[griz692002]

Atlanta Griz1
You are a puke, you are one of those people that are always looking for someone to blame. No matter what happens in your life you will look for someone to blame. For your pathetic life. Grow up take some responsibility. Show some support and quit tearing down the team you don't like the Griz then go be a cat fan and see how much better it is. As coach HUD would say GFYS

 

[grizeyes]

I can't believe the pass to Ellis in the 4th wasn't reviewed. That's an easy call. Catches it, tucks it, and takes a few steps upfield. Would've been first and goal.

Agreed! I think I heard one of the commentators, maybe Mick, say the coach has one challenge - no better time than right then the final drive of the game to make a challenge and if successful, game is over. Head scratcher.