Gregorak

[fanofzoo]

Can't blame his tackling, but the schemes seem repeatedly inadequate.

Really because it is his main duty to coach the defense how to play with proper technique, aka tackling.

Coaches don't tackle, players do. Some players are not tackling well, as I am sure both Gregorak and the players would agree. Some people can't teach, some people never learn, and I have no f*cking idea which is true here. I do think the defense played much better in the second half after my post. I also believe that the Bobcats will move the ball up and down the field against UM if things don't change.

Obviously, correct on tackling. Players tackle; coaches don't. Coaches work with teams on tackling and technique all the time. To suggest that it is the coaches' fault that some players don't always tackle well is just plain silly. It actually shows that those posters NPTG.

OK you got me. If coaches work on tackling all the time then why are we having this discussion this late in the season?

 

[Mr. Greenjeans]

I just got back home from the game. So many posts to comment on. The 1st half there were quite a few upset GRIZ fans with the yardage the defense was giving up and the sustained drives.

However, the defense was very good in the 2nd half. I still think he sticks with LBS on the field too often in passing situations. He did make a nice personnel change in the 2nd half. Gamboa was on the field more often. He was lined up at safety and LB a few times. When he was in there, he took away the quick inside passes and stayed with slot WRs well. I hope to see this be a permanent change in passing situations. It was a great strategic move by Ty. I really do believe he is really trying to improve the defensive consistency.

Well said, what's funny is this has been going on all year with base against 4wides...maybe change is happening. They were very solid in the 2nd half. :clap: :clap:

 

[IrishGrizzly]

Got to agree with PlayerRep, good tackling should have been established before these players became Griz. That said, the coaching staff needs make sure that they put players in the best position to be successful. Ext: using the Nickel Package and using Kidder and Ginn more...

 

[tgriz]

Ty will be the defensive Co. of the Griz in 2014

Well, then they will suck again. Talk about wasting good talent by shitty coaching

 

[1Griz_Fan]

Got to agree with PlayerRep, good tackling should have been established before these players became Griz. That said, the coaching staff needs make sure that they put players in the best position to be successful. Ext: using the Nickel Package and using Kidder and Ginn more...

If good tackling was not established before the players became Griz then it is still the coaches that recruited the player's fault for either going with a player that had not learned to tackle well, and/or not teaching them how to tackle properly after deciding they had enough talent to be offered a scholarship. The point is that even though the coaches do not make or miss the tackles some of the responsibility falls on them, especially when it has become a recurring problem.

 

[grizpack]

Got to agree with PlayerRep, good tackling should have been established before these players became Griz. That said, the coaching staff needs make sure that they put players in the best position to be successful. Ext: using the Nickel Package and using Kidder and Ginn more...

If they weren't good tacklers before they got to the Griz, why were they recruited? Did the coaches think they were obviously so talented that the coaches could teach them tackling? If so, shouldn't they be teaching tackling? If they are teaching it, why isn't it being done in a game. If they were great tacklers when they were being recruited, what happened? Why did they forget how to tackle?

While I agree that the coaches cannot tackle during the game, it seems that something is getting lost along the way. And that is a coaching issue. Either that, or we have complete idiots for players, who completely forget the techniques they are, or aren't being taught during practice, and cannot implement them during the game.

Either way you look at it, I think it is a problem that the coaching staff needs to address. And quickly.

 

[PlayerRep]

Again, tackling is mostly a player problem, not a coaching problem. Yes, coaches are responsible for making sure that tackling is good and that tackling improves and is consistent, but in the end, it's the players who play the game and do the tackling.

Some players are better tacklers than others. It's just a fact. Some teams are better tackling teams than others. Everyone agrees that UM should be better and more consistent at tackling. I didn't think tackling, yesterday, was as weak as it had been in some other games.

It is much more difficult to tackle at the college level than in high school. In college, the players with the ball are faster and bigger, and the offenses are more complicated and are executed better. High school players with good speed can be good at making tackles, without having great tackling technique, because they are faster than most other players.

It's hard to tackle in space generally, and it's hard to make tackles when the defender doesn't have the best angle or is a split second late getting to the ideal point of contact. Coaches need to help players get into better position, and to react quicker to the play. Some of this depends on the defense called, but most of it doesn't. If the defender is not quite to the ideal spot to make the tackle, it will be harder to make a good tackle, or even bring down the runner.

Tackling also depends at times, on what teammates are doing to help, and how close to the play they are. If teammates aren't closing in, there's more space for the runner to cut or juke.

Not wrapping up more often and things like that are more discipline matters. Coaches need to ride players for not doing certain basic tackling techniques like that.

A player can't and shouldn't be judged by one or two noticeable tacklers per game. A player has to be evaluated on all tackles. Everybody misses tackles, gets juked, or makes mistakes. The best tacklers have few of these tackling issues; the poorer tacklers have more of them.

While UM still works on tackling from time to time during the season, it's harder to work on tackling because only a practice or two per week has full contact. There's just not enough opportunity to tackle at full speed, or to tackle in scrimmage situations, during the season.

Several teams UM has played this year were very good tacklers. Most haven't been any better than UM, or worse.