Gregorak: "Time for a Change"

[Ron Ash]

 

[UMGriz75]

What he did or didn't do while in Missoula is immaterial to the success of UM's program since he signed on with Bozeman state. Can we be done with the Gregorak Era?

Well, the thread topic is about Gregorak ... at Bozeman, not the success of UM post-Gregorak.

Gregorak's success at Bozeman is, presumptively, based on his abilities as a coach. His last position was at Missoula. We have a "pretty good idea."

Unusually, the posts match up pretty well with the thread topic.

 

[brewskis]

I think it's likely that things at MSU will turn around positively in the coming years under Choate. TG will be part of the turnaround. There is alot of excitement about Choate and his coaches in Bozeman, among fans and players. Ash, while a nice guy, had cleaned up the program and taken MSU as far as he could, but he didn't have the horsepower or enough desire/drive to take them further or to sustain the rise. He was uninspirational. He didn't even know the names of many of his players, and had never had one-on-one meetings with many of them. He apparently seemed to give up during the season last year.

Could never figure out Ash. I understand "low key," but Ash seemed to take it to a new ... low. And seemed detached from their Defense. After Marshall came under heavy fire, and got eased out, things stayed just as bad or got worse, and Ash seemed ... inert, unresponsive.

Also hearing very positive things about their new staff. But, from Bozeman, after the past several years of hearing all about the "changing of the guard," and "the new power," every time the sun comes up in the morning, it's also hard to tell if its real or just "post apocalyptic euphoria."

If ever a team could benefit from the addition of a highly positive motivating force, Gregorak is probably it for the 'Cats." People can criticize his strategic skills; but they always pucker up when they hear his former players talk so positively about him. You know, the ones that actually played football for the Griz.

I really agree on the last paragraph. Sounded like he was really faithful to his players and especially as a LB coach. Just unfortunate he could never really get the coordinator thing figured out. Ace LB guy though.


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Couldn't get the DC thing figured out? While I haven't checked, I would assume the UM defense in his several years as DC were the top defense in the conference (when the years at considered together). What is astounding is that some posters can't recognize that the UM defense was good to very good under TG, at least as judged in the conference, and improved in various facets each year. Talk about not understanding the game.

Well the big sky conference isn't a very high bar to set the standard at. I think he averaged around 3rd best defense in the conference? The only team in the big sky to have any success over the last 5 years was EWU....and until Semore got involved that never went well.

In conclusion.....meh.


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[BadlandsGrizFan]

I think it's likely that things at MSU will turn around positively in the coming years under Choate. TG will be part of the turnaround. There is alot of excitement about Choate and his coaches in Bozeman, among fans and players. Ash, while a nice guy, had cleaned up the program and taken MSU as far as he could, but he didn't have the horsepower or enough desire/drive to take them further or to sustain the rise. He was uninspirational. He didn't even know the names of many of his players, and had never had one-on-one meetings with many of them. He apparently seemed to give up during the season last year. Choate has met with all players, and working on getting prompt buy-in. Choate is a very nice guy. Delaney and Dennehy is very high on him, I am told. It looks like MSU is sorely lacking in talent on both sides of the ball, so won't be able to do much this season, but who knows. Maybe they can get it together to knock off a few better teams. Be careful what you wish for.

Wait...dont tell us....you're as close to Ash and Choate as you were to Bobby, Gregorak and Delaney????? Your social prowess knows no bounds.....

Never met Ash.

Well shit..thats why he got fired.

 

[gotgame75]

I think it's likely that things at MSU will turn around positively in the coming years under Choate. TG will be part of the turnaround. There is alot of excitement about Choate and his coaches in Bozeman, among fans and players. Ash, while a nice guy, had cleaned up the program and taken MSU as far as he could, but he didn't have the horsepower or enough desire/drive to take them further or to sustain the rise. He was uninspirational. He didn't even know the names of many of his players, and had never had one-on-one meetings with many of them. He apparently seemed to give up during the season last year.

Could never figure out Ash. I understand "low key," but Ash seemed to take it to a new ... low. And seemed detached from their Defense. After Marshall came under heavy fire, and got eased out, things stayed just as bad or got worse, and Ash seemed ... inert, unresponsive.

Also hearing very positive things about their new staff. But, from Bozeman, after the past several years of hearing all about the "changing of the guard," and "the new power," every time the sun comes up in the morning, it's also hard to tell if its real or just "post apocalyptic euphoria."

If ever a team could benefit from the addition of a highly positive motivating force, Gregorak is probably it for the 'Cats." People can criticize his strategic skills; but they always pucker up when they hear his former players talk so positively about him. You know, the ones that actually played football for the Griz.

I really agree on the last paragraph. Sounded like he was really faithful to his players and especially as a LB coach. Just unfortunate he could never really get the coordinator thing figured out. Ace LB guy though.


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Couldn't get the DC thing figured out? While I haven't checked, I would assume the UM defense in his several years as DC were the top defense in the conference (when the years at considered together). What is astounding is that some posters can't recognize that the UM defense was good to very good under TG, at least as judged in the conference, and improved in various facets each year. Talk about not understanding the game.

"Good to very good" is barely marginally impressive when you consider that Ty had NFL-level talent at his disposal for his entire tenure. Great recruiter and motivator, average Coordinator.

 

[UMGriz75]

.... when you consider that Ty had NFL-level talent at his disposal for his entire tenure.

Perhaps that "begs the question."

 

[brewskis]

Could never figure out Ash. I understand "low key," but Ash seemed to take it to a new ... low. And seemed detached from their Defense. After Marshall came under heavy fire, and got eased out, things stayed just as bad or got worse, and Ash seemed ... inert, unresponsive.

Also hearing very positive things about their new staff. But, from Bozeman, after the past several years of hearing all about the "changing of the guard," and "the new power," every time the sun comes up in the morning, it's also hard to tell if its real or just "post apocalyptic euphoria."

If ever a team could benefit from the addition of a highly positive motivating force, Gregorak is probably it for the 'Cats." People can criticize his strategic skills; but they always pucker up when they hear his former players talk so positively about him. You know, the ones that actually played football for the Griz.

I really agree on the last paragraph. Sounded like he was really faithful to his players and especially as a LB coach. Just unfortunate he could never really get the coordinator thing figured out. Ace LB guy though.


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Couldn't get the DC thing figured out? While I haven't checked, I would assume the UM defense in his several years as DC were the top defense in the conference (when the years at considered together). What is astounding is that some posters can't recognize that the UM defense was good to very good under TG, at least as judged in the conference, and improved in various facets each year. Talk about not understanding the game.

"Good to very good" is barely marginally impressive when you consider that Ty had NFL-level talent at his disposal for his entire tenure. Great recruiter and motivator, average Coordinator.

Bingo.


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[poorgriz]

So exactly who recruited and coached those players into the NFL.... or were they NFL ready when they arrived? Ya, TG was in charge of your defense from the top down. For once in the history of Cat\griz, this looks to be a move that many on both sides are happy with. We are very happy to have him and many of you it sounds are happy to see him gone. I think a bunch of you are perhaps going to experience a "grass isn't greener" moment but we'll see. I can promise you our grass has been dead brown for a few years now so I really don't see how TG can make things worse.

 

[PlayerRep]

Could never figure out Ash. I understand "low key," but Ash seemed to take it to a new ... low. And seemed detached from their Defense. After Marshall came under heavy fire, and got eased out, things stayed just as bad or got worse, and Ash seemed ... inert, unresponsive.

Also hearing very positive things about their new staff. But, from Bozeman, after the past several years of hearing all about the "changing of the guard," and "the new power," every time the sun comes up in the morning, it's also hard to tell if its real or just "post apocalyptic euphoria."

If ever a team could benefit from the addition of a highly positive motivating force, Gregorak is probably it for the 'Cats." People can criticize his strategic skills; but they always pucker up when they hear his former players talk so positively about him. You know, the ones that actually played football for the Griz.

I really agree on the last paragraph. Sounded like he was really faithful to his players and especially as a LB coach. Just unfortunate he could never really get the coordinator thing figured out. Ace LB guy though.


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Couldn't get the DC thing figured out? While I haven't checked, I would assume the UM defense in his several years as DC were the top defense in the conference (when the years at considered together). What is astounding is that some posters can't recognize that the UM defense was good to very good under TG, at least as judged in the conference, and improved in various facets each year. Talk about not understanding the game.

"Good to very good" is barely marginally impressive when you consider that Ty had NFL-level talent at his disposal for his entire tenure. Great recruiter and motivator, average Coordinator.

Oh BS. Don't be ridiculous. Under TG as DC, were there any other defensive players who have played a single down in the NFL regular season other than Tripp and Coyle. Sorry, but 2 NFL players or even 4 if the d-ends ever get on the field, hardly means that a defense is going to be great. It takes at least 25 other good players every season.

 

[PlayerRep]

I really agree on the last paragraph. Sounded like he was really faithful to his players and especially as a LB coach. Just unfortunate he could never really get the coordinator thing figured out. Ace LB guy though.


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Couldn't get the DC thing figured out? While I haven't checked, I would assume the UM defense in his several years as DC were the top defense in the conference (when the years at considered together). What is astounding is that some posters can't recognize that the UM defense was good to very good under TG, at least as judged in the conference, and improved in various facets each year. Talk about not understanding the game.

"Good to very good" is barely marginally impressive when you consider that Ty had NFL-level talent at his disposal for his entire tenure. Great recruiter and motivator, average Coordinator.

Bingo.


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Oh really. Because UM and TG had Tripp and Coyle for 2 years of the 3 years, TG had NFL level talent at his disposal.

 

[Htowngriz]

Couldn't get the DC thing figured out? While I haven't checked, I would assume the UM defense in his several years as DC were the top defense in the conference (when the years at considered together). What is astounding is that some posters can't recognize that the UM defense was good to very good under TG, at least as judged in the conference, and improved in various facets each year. Talk about not understanding the game.

"Good to very good" is barely marginally impressive when you consider that Ty had NFL-level talent at his disposal for his entire tenure. Great recruiter and motivator, average Coordinator.

Bingo.


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Oh really. Because UM and TG had Tripp and Coyle for 2 years of the 3 years, TG had NFL level talent at his disposal.

Wags, Holmes, potentially Kidder...

 

[grizindabox]

I found a gift for PR

 

[PlayerRep]

Could never figure out Ash. I understand "low key," but Ash seemed to take it to a new ... low. And seemed detached from their Defense. After Marshall came under heavy fire, and got eased out, things stayed just as bad or got worse, and Ash seemed ... inert, unresponsive.

Also hearing very positive things about their new staff. But, from Bozeman, after the past several years of hearing all about the "changing of the guard," and "the new power," every time the sun comes up in the morning, it's also hard to tell if its real or just "post apocalyptic euphoria."

If ever a team could benefit from the addition of a highly positive motivating force, Gregorak is probably it for the 'Cats." People can criticize his strategic skills; but they always pucker up when they hear his former players talk so positively about him. You know, the ones that actually played football for the Griz.

I really agree on the last paragraph. Sounded like he was really faithful to his players and especially as a LB coach. Just unfortunate he could never really get the coordinator thing figured out. Ace LB guy though.


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Couldn't get the DC thing figured out? While I haven't checked, I would assume the UM defense in his several years as DC were the top defense in the conference (when the years at considered together). What is astounding is that some posters can't recognize that the UM defense was good to very good under TG, at least as judged in the conference, and improved in various facets each year. Talk about not understanding the game.

Well the big sky conference isn't a very high bar to set the standard at. I think he averaged around 3rd best defense in the conference? The only team in the big sky to have any success over the last 5 years was EWU....and until Semore got involved that never went well.

In conclusion.....meh.


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Yes, the Big Sky is a high bar. It is one of the top several conference in FCS.

I checked the Scoring Defense stats for Big Sky teams for 2015 and 2014. Only UM and ND were in the top 7 in Scoring Defense for both years. UM was 4th and 1st, at 24.6 and 21. ND was 5th and 3d at 25.7 and 26.2. So UM was ahead of ND both years. Using this methodology, UM had the top Scoring Defense in the conference over that two-year period. In my view, Scoring Defense is a very important stat.

Where do some of you come up with your BS? And why are you so lazy that you don't even both to check before you spew totally incorrect information?

 

[brewskis]

I really agree on the last paragraph. Sounded like he was really faithful to his players and especially as a LB coach. Just unfortunate he could never really get the coordinator thing figured out. Ace LB guy though.


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Couldn't get the DC thing figured out? While I haven't checked, I would assume the UM defense in his several years as DC were the top defense in the conference (when the years at considered together). What is astounding is that some posters can't recognize that the UM defense was good to very good under TG, at least as judged in the conference, and improved in various facets each year. Talk about not understanding the game.

Well the big sky conference isn't a very high bar to set the standard at. I think he averaged around 3rd best defense in the conference? The only team in the big sky to have any success over the last 5 years was EWU....and until Semore got involved that never went well.

In conclusion.....meh.


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Yes, the Big Sky is a high bar. It is one of the top several conference in FCS.

I checked the Scoring Defense stats for Big Sky teams for 2015 and 2014. Only UM and ND were in the top 7 in Scoring Defense for both years. UM was 4th and 1st, at 24.6 and 21. ND was 5th and 3d at 25.7 and 26.2. So UM was ahead of ND both years. Using this methodology, UM had the top Scoring Defense in the conference over that two-year period. In my view, Scoring Defense is a very important stat.

Where do some of you come up with your BS? And why are you so lazy that you don't even both to check before you spew totally incorrect information?

So you checked the scoring defense stats for the Big Sky and somehow that confirms that the Big Sky is a high bar to hold defenses to? How many times has a big sky team played in the national title game or the semis in the last 5 years? And which teams have?

If Bozeman wants our hand me downs then they can have them. As far as I can see it's really no loss.


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[brewskis]

I really agree on the last paragraph. Sounded like he was really faithful to his players and especially as a LB coach. Just unfortunate he could never really get the coordinator thing figured out. Ace LB guy though.


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Couldn't get the DC thing figured out? While I haven't checked, I would assume the UM defense in his several years as DC were the top defense in the conference (when the years at considered together). What is astounding is that some posters can't recognize that the UM defense was good to very good under TG, at least as judged in the conference, and improved in various facets each year. Talk about not understanding the game.

"Good to very good" is barely marginally impressive when you consider that Ty had NFL-level talent at his disposal for his entire tenure. Great recruiter and motivator, average Coordinator.

Oh BS. Don't be ridiculous. Under TG as DC, were there any other defensive players who have played a single down in the NFL regular season other than Tripp and Coyle. Sorry, but 2 NFL players or even 4 if the d-ends ever get on the field, hardly means that a defense is going to be great. It takes at least 25 other good players every season.

Who cares if they haven't played in the nfl? It's their performance in COLLEGE that gets them there.


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[PlayerRep]

Couldn't get the DC thing figured out? While I haven't checked, I would assume the UM defense in his several years as DC were the top defense in the conference (when the years at considered together). What is astounding is that some posters can't recognize that the UM defense was good to very good under TG, at least as judged in the conference, and improved in various facets each year. Talk about not understanding the game.

Well the big sky conference isn't a very high bar to set the standard at. I think he averaged around 3rd best defense in the conference? The only team in the big sky to have any success over the last 5 years was EWU....and until Semore got involved that never went well.

In conclusion.....meh.


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Yes, the Big Sky is a high bar. It is one of the top several conference in FCS.

I checked the Scoring Defense stats for Big Sky teams for 2015 and 2014. Only UM and ND were in the top 7 in Scoring Defense for both years. UM was 4th and 1st, at 24.6 and 21. ND was 5th and 3d at 25.7 and 26.2. So UM was ahead of ND both years. Using this methodology, UM had the top Scoring Defense in the conference over that two-year period. In my view, Scoring Defense is a very important stat.

Where do some of you come up with your BS? And why are you so lazy that you don't even both to check before you spew totally incorrect information?

So you checked the scoring defense stats for the Big Sky and somehow that confirms that the Big Sky is a high bar to hold defenses to? How many times has a big sky team played in the national title game or the semis in the last 5 years? And which teams have?

If Bozeman wants our hand me downs then they can have them. As far as I can see it's really no loss.


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Oh please, don't be so stupid. The Big Sky stats show how UM ranks in the conference in the past two season in Scoring Defense, and the answer is that UM's defense was best in the conference under that stat for the 2-year period.

Anybody who follows FCS football and has a clue knows that the Big Sky conference is and has been one of the top conferences for many years. The MV has clearly been the best conference in recent years. Look at the past polls and this year's pre-season rankings. How many conferences beside the MV have more teams in the top 20 or 25 than the Big Sky? Not very many. Looking at what teams are in the national championship game are not a good way to assess the strength of a conference. You need to look at other factors, such as how many teams made the playoffs. Take away NDSU and the MV doesn't have a bunch of teams in the championship game in the past 5 years.

 

[jodcon]

I think it's likely that things at MSU will turn around positively in the coming years under Choate. TG will be part of the turnaround. There is alot of excitement about Choate and his coaches in Bozeman, among fans and players. Ash, while a nice guy, had cleaned up the program and taken MSU as far as he could, but he didn't have the horsepower or enough desire/drive to take them further or to sustain the rise. He was uninspirational. He didn't even know the names of many of his players, and had never had one-on-one meetings with many of them. He apparently seemed to give up during the season last year.

Could never figure out Ash. I understand "low key," but Ash seemed to take it to a new ... low. And seemed detached from their Defense. After Marshall came under heavy fire, and got eased out, things stayed just as bad or got worse, and Ash seemed ... inert, unresponsive.

Also hearing very positive things about their new staff. But, from Bozeman, after the past several years of hearing all about the "changing of the guard," and "the new power," every time the sun comes up in the morning, it's also hard to tell if its real or just "post apocalyptic euphoria."

If ever a team could benefit from the addition of a highly positive motivating force, Gregorak is probably it for the 'Cats." People can criticize his strategic skills; but they always pucker up when they hear his former players talk so positively about him. You know, the ones that actually played football for the Griz.

I agree at the very least Choate and Ty will bring some needed enthusiasm to the squad...even looking at Ash puts me to sleep. That should be enough to show improvement, cruel reality is they just don't have the horses and that is on Ash and Co., will be very surprising if MSU doesn't take some beatings the next couple years.

 

[PlayerRep]

Couldn't get the DC thing figured out? While I haven't checked, I would assume the UM defense in his several years as DC were the top defense in the conference (when the years at considered together). What is astounding is that some posters can't recognize that the UM defense was good to very good under TG, at least as judged in the conference, and improved in various facets each year. Talk about not understanding the game.

"Good to very good" is barely marginally impressive when you consider that Ty had NFL-level talent at his disposal for his entire tenure. Great recruiter and motivator, average Coordinator.

Oh BS. Don't be ridiculous. Under TG as DC, were there any other defensive players who have played a single down in the NFL regular season other than Tripp and Coyle. Sorry, but 2 NFL players or even 4 if the d-ends ever get on the field, hardly means that a defense is going to be great. It takes at least 25 other good players every season.

Who cares if they haven't played in the nfl? It's their performance in COLLEGE that gets them there.

2 players who played 2 of the past 3 years does not equal TG having had NFL level talent for his defense. He had 2. Maybe 3 or 4. That prior comment was just plain dumb.


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[BornGrizz]

The Pu$$ies will be better under Ty. How could it be worse than the last couple years? Ty could put together a good D, not a D that can win a championship, hence exit stage right.

A Coordinator who can't figure out how to get players to stop a triple option is a Coordinator who will never win championship. Hence MSU after exit stage right.

 

[EverettGriz]

Couldn't get the DC thing figured out? While I haven't checked, I would assume the UM defense in his several years as DC were the top defense in the conference (when the years at considered together). What is astounding is that some posters can't recognize that the UM defense was good to very good under TG, at least as judged in the conference, and improved in various facets each year. Talk about not understanding the game.

"Good to very good" is barely marginally impressive when you consider that Ty had NFL-level talent at his disposal for his entire tenure. Great recruiter and motivator, average Coordinator.

Oh BS. Don't be ridiculous. Under TG as DC, were there any other defensive players who have played a single down in the NFL regular season other than Tripp and Coyle. Sorry, but 2 NFL players or even 4 if the d-ends ever get on the field, hardly means that a defense is going to be great. It takes at least 25 other good players every season.

Who cares if they haven't played in the nfl? It's their performance in COLLEGE that gets them there.


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It's clear PR never played the game at an NFL performance level.