Gregorak & Rosey

[PlayerRep]

Well, I have to respectfully disagree, the fans not being in their seats had nothing to do with three interception, and three fumbles, that is just the unfortunate breaks of the game, which the Griz have benefited for years.

Sat. the lumberjacks were able to capitalize on these turnovers, and not because of the lack of fans not being in their seats.

Live with it, the Griz had a bad day, I'm sure come Monday, the team and coaches will start back to work, and if you ask each an every one of the player, coaches, and assistances, not one would say that the fans not being in their seats had anything to do with this loss.

Winning every game is a goal, however not a reality.

Again, just my opinion.

Who said the crowd had anything to do with interceptions and fumbles by us? By the way, UM didn't have 3 fumbles. Crowd noise helps the defense, not the offense. The UM crowd is generally silent on offense, until the play is over.

Are you telling us that UM's crowd noise has not helped UM's incredibly success at home?

 

[stubbins]

Well, I have to respectfully disagree, the fans not being in their seats had nothing to do with three interception, and three fumbles, that is just the unfortunate breaks of the game, which the Griz have benefited for years.

Sat. the lumberjacks were able to capitalize on these turnovers, and not because of the lack of fans not being in their seats.

Live with it, the Griz had a bad day, I'm sure come Monday, the team and coaches will start back to work, and if you ask each an every one of the player, coaches, and assistances, not one would say that the fans not being in their seats had anything to do with this loss.

Winning every game is a goal, however not a reality.

Again, just my opinion.

Who said the crowd had anything to do with interceptions and fumbles by us? By the way, UM didn't have 3 fumbles. Crowd noise helps the defense, not the offense. The UM crowd is generally silent on offense, until the play is over.

Are you telling us that UM's crowd noise has not helped UM's incredibly success at home?

I'd say lack of turnovers helps more....

 

[spsyk]

Well, I have to respectfully disagree, the fans not being in their seats had nothing to do with three interception, and three fumbles, that is just the unfortunate breaks of the game, which the Griz have benefited for years.

Sat. the lumberjacks were able to capitalize on these turnovers, and not because of the lack of fans not being in their seats.

Live with it, the Griz had a bad day, I'm sure come Monday, the team and coaches will start back to work, and if you ask each an every one of the player, coaches, and assistances, not one would say that the fans not being in their seats had anything to do with this loss.

Winning every game is a goal, however not a reality.

Again, just my opinion.

Who said the crowd had anything to do with interceptions and fumbles by us? By the way, UM didn't have 3 fumbles. Crowd noise helps the defense, not the offense. The UM crowd is generally silent on offense, until the play is over.

Are you telling us that UM's crowd noise has not helped UM's incredibly success at home?

No, I'm not saying that home crowd noise is not a contributor to home success, I'm saying it's not a requirement,and not a crutch relied on by a good team coached by competent coaches.

 

[PlayerRep]

Everyone agrees that the turnovers were more important in the loss than crowd noise, but that wasn't what was being discussed.

Stubbins, do you think crowd noise has no impact on opposing teams' offenses, and no positive impact on the home teams?

 

[PlayerRep]

Well, I have to respectfully disagree, the fans not being in their seats had nothing to do with three interception, and three fumbles, that is just the unfortunate breaks of the game, which the Griz have benefited for years.

Sat. the lumberjacks were able to capitalize on these turnovers, and not because of the lack of fans not being in their seats.

Live with it, the Griz had a bad day, I'm sure come Monday, the team and coaches will start back to work, and if you ask each an every one of the player, coaches, and assistances, not one would say that the fans not being in their seats had anything to do with this loss.

Winning every game is a goal, however not a reality.

Again, just my opinion.

Who said the crowd had anything to do with interceptions and fumbles by us? By the way, UM didn't have 3 fumbles. Crowd noise helps the defense, not the offense. The UM crowd is generally silent on offense, until the play is over.

Are you telling us that UM's crowd noise has not helped UM's incredibly success at home?

No, I'm not saying that home crowd noise is not a contributor to home success, I'm saying it's not a requirement,and not a crutch relied on by a good team coached by competent coaches.

It isn't a crutch. Every good coach and good team looks for every advantage it can get in order to be a successful program. The UM crowd has caused countless penalties and mistakes Griz stadium over the years, and helped inspire the team when it needed a few extra ounces of encouragement. When UM needed the crowd to cause a penalty or mistake, or to provide an extra ounce of encouragement in the third quarter, the crowd wasn't there. That's a fact.

 

[Potomac Griz]

Thought this was kind of interesting to look at.

Scoring by half (Griz - Opponent):
1st half - 85-45
2nd half - 42-69

Avg:
1st half - 21.25 - 11.25
2nd half - 10.50 - 17.25

Read into it what you want...bad halftime adjustments, lack of crowd presence, or both..

 

[stubbins]

Everyone agrees that the turnovers were more important in the loss than crowd noise, but that wasn't what was being discussed.

Stubbins, do you think crowd noise has no impact on opposing teams' offenses, and no positive impact on the home teams?

I think it's overrated on its impact on opposing teams. I do think it helps the defense out, as far as giving a shot of adrenaline.

I also think playing it up is a disservice for all the great players and teams that have been fielded at this university. If it is that important to Griz success, then put a pop Warner team out there and we can all yell like hell. We should win every game.

I also think its more important to the fans....boosts the fun and the ego of the average Griz fan. The days of the super loud rowdy fan in the early regular season is gone. I knew it three years ago when security asked me to stay sitting on third down because the old douche behind me complained.

If the loud fan is a determinate of the team's success, it's only going to get worse.

 

[PlayerRep]

Everyone agrees that the turnovers were more important in the loss than crowd noise, but that wasn't what was being discussed.

Stubbins, do you think crowd noise has no impact on opposing teams' offenses, and no positive impact on the home teams?

I think it's overrated on its impact on opposing teams. I do think it helps the defense out, as far as giving a shot of adrenaline.

I also think playing it up is a disservice for all the great players and teams that have been fielded at this university. If it is that important to Griz success, then put a pop Warner team out there and we can all yell like hell. We should win every game.

I also think its more important to the fans....boosts the fun and the ego of the average Griz fan. The days of the super loud rowdy fan in the early regular season is gone. I knew it three years ago when security asked me to stay sitting on third down because the old douche behind me complained.

If the loud fan is a determinate of the team's success, it's only going to get worse.

Well, then you and I disagree, and I suspect most former players would also disagree with you. A loud crowed doesn't cause success; it increases it. It's clear that you never played a game in front of a big noisy crowd.

 

[stubbins]

Everyone agrees that the turnovers were more important in the loss than crowd noise, but that wasn't what was being discussed.

Stubbins, do you think crowd noise has no impact on opposing teams' offenses, and no positive impact on the home teams?

I think it's overrated on its impact on opposing teams. I do think it helps the defense out, as far as giving a shot of adrenaline.

I also think playing it up is a disservice for all the great players and teams that have been fielded at this university. If it is that important to Griz success, then put a pop Warner team out there and we can all yell like hell. We should win every game.

I also think its more important to the fans....boosts the fun and the ego of the average Griz fan. The days of the super loud rowdy fan in the early regular season is gone. I knew it three years ago when security asked me to stay sitting on third down because the old douche behind me complained.

If the loud fan is a determinate of the team's success, it's only going to get worse.

Well, then you and I disagree, and I suspect most former players would also disagree with you. A loud crowed doesn't cause success; it increases it. It's clear that you never played a game in front of a big noisy crowd.

Fair enough....

 

[spsyk]

Well, I have to respectfully disagree, the fans not being in their seats had nothing to do with three interception, and three fumbles, that is just the unfortunate breaks of the game, which the Griz have benefited for years.

Sat. the lumberjacks were able to capitalize on these turnovers, and not because of the lack of fans not being in their seats.

Live with it, the Griz had a bad day, I'm sure come Monday, the team and coaches will start back to work, and if you ask each an every one of the player, coaches, and assistances, not one would say that the fans not being in their seats had anything to do with this loss.

Winning every game is a goal, however not a reality.

Again, just my opinion.

Who said the crowd had anything to do with interceptions and fumbles by us? By the way, UM didn't have 3 fumbles. Crowd noise helps the defense, not the offense. The UM crowd is generally silent on offense, until the play is over.

Are you telling us that UM's crowd noise has not helped UM's incredibly success at home?

No, I'm not saying that home crowd noise is not a contributor to home success, I'm saying it's not a requirement,and not a crutch relied on by a good team coached by competent coaches.

It isn't a crutch. Every good coach and good team looks for every advantage it can get in order to be a successful program. The UM crowd has caused countless penalties and mistakes Griz stadium over the years, and helped inspire the team when it needed a few extra ounces of encouragement. When UM needed the crowd to cause a penalty or mistake, or to provide an extra ounce of encouragement in the third quarter, the crowd wasn't there. That's a fact.

Well, if that is the case, may I suggest that you remove your big ass out of the box that you occupy, and get you big ass in the NEZ where the team and coaches can hear your big mouth support instead of pushing hot dogs down you gullet and washing it down with your beverage of choice, well other tailgater are trying to get back to their seats at your requirement, because you didn't have to leave to enjoy your revelry.

You know I don't fault your success, I admire it, however, I abhor better than thou attitude, that I have to live up to your expectation, with you living out of your expectations.

Again just my opinion.

 

[PlayerRep]

Who said the crowd had anything to do with interceptions and fumbles by us? By the way, UM didn't have 3 fumbles. Crowd noise helps the defense, not the offense. The UM crowd is generally silent on offense, until the play is over.

Are you telling us that UM's crowd noise has not helped UM's incredibly success at home?

No, I'm not saying that home crowd noise is not a contributor to home success, I'm saying it's not a requirement,and not a crutch relied on by a good team coached by competent coaches.

It isn't a crutch. Every good coach and good team looks for every advantage it can get in order to be a successful program. The UM crowd has caused countless penalties and mistakes Griz stadium over the years, and helped inspire the team when it needed a few extra ounces of encouragement. When UM needed the crowd to cause a penalty or mistake, or to provide an extra ounce of encouragement in the third quarter, the crowd wasn't there. That's a fact.

Well, if that is the case, may I suggest that you remove your big ass out of the box that you occupy, and get you big ass in the NEZ where the team and coaches can hear your big mouth support instead of pushing hot dogs down you gullet and washing it down with your beverage of choice, well other tailgater are trying to get back to their seats at your requirement, because you didn't have to leave to enjoy your revelry.

You know I don't fault your success, I admire it, however, I abhor better than thou attitude, that I have to live up to your expectation, with you living out of your expectations.

Again just my opinion.

You have no idea where I watch the game from, and how much I yell, nor how successful I am or am not. It's not a better than thou attitude, but I do have confidence in what I know about the game of football and Griz football. If you are offended comments from knowledgeable football fans, so be it. I suppose nothing can be done about you 47%ers.

 

[grizindabox]

yippie, PR to the rescue. :roll:

 

[spsyk]

No, I'm not saying that home crowd noise is not a contributor to home success, I'm saying it's not a requirement,and not a crutch relied on by a good team coached by competent coaches.

It isn't a crutch. Every good coach and good team looks for every advantage it can get in order to be a successful program. The UM crowd has caused countless penalties and mistakes Griz stadium over the years, and helped inspire the team when it needed a few extra ounces of encouragement. When UM needed the crowd to cause a penalty or mistake, or to provide an extra ounce of encouragement in the third quarter, the crowd wasn't there. That's a fact.

Well, if that is the case, may I suggest that you remove your big ass out of the box that you occupy, and get you big ass in the NEZ where the team and coaches can hear your big mouth support instead of pushing hot dogs down you gullet and washing it down with your beverage of choice, well other tailgater are trying to get back to their seats at your requirement, because you didn't have to leave to enjoy your revelry.

You know I don't fault your success, I admire it, however, I abhor better than thou attitude, that I have to live up to your expectation, with you living out of your expectations.

Again just my opinion.

You have no idea where I watch the game from, and how much I yell, nor how successful I am or am not. It's not a better than thou attitude, but I do have confidence in what I know about the game of football and Griz football. If you are offended comments from knowledgeable football fans, so be it. I suppose nothing can be done about you 47%ers.

So, what are you upset about, watching the game from a box, your big ass, or your big mouth, because your football knowledge is arguably a matter of discussion, not much about your Ivy League affirmative action, prowess is available other than Jack's here say, and about the 47% comment, I can assure you that your dependency upon the government thru your lifetime and mine, you would win hands down.

Again just my opinion.

 

[GrizLA]

Government built the University of Montana and the roads leading into it...Get over it..

 

[spsyk]

Government built the University of Montana and the roads leading into it...Get over it..

Man, you sure got that right, and they did it all with government money.

 

[mcg]

It would seem to me that the Wa-Griz home field advantage is based primarily on crowd noise, sometimes extreme crowd noise.

When there are fewer people in the stands there is less noise, thus the home field advantage disappears.

 

[tnt]

If the crowd presence is necessary to "carry the second half" and the lack of it a reason for a loss. I just have to wonder how the apologists expect to win on the road..........

 

[OrgonGriz]

Is it sad the crowd took so long to re-enter the stadium, yes. Is it the cause of this loss, no. I will admit a crowd can assist a team, lift then up, or cause problems for opposing team. I do not think butts in seats yesterday would have changed the out come of this game.

This game was lost because of poor passes, fumbles, poor tackling and poor decision making by the entire team and coaching staff.

We plain and simple got out played and coached by NAU.

All we can hope for as fans is for proper adjustments on both sides of the ball.

Focus and regroup!

Go Griz!!

 

[spsyk]

Let's look at the crowd noise in a different perspective.

Assume that nobody was in the stands, and absolutely no fan participation, which Griz fans give themselves more credit than they deserve. There is no doubt that fan participation "noise" will create errors, to make a difference on a particular play, however to win games that maybe a stretch.


Now, did the NAU fan participation "noise" create the fumbles, or the thrown interceptions or 255 yards of rushing by NAU,s back, or was it the lack of the Griz participation "noise".


Or was it perhaps, not the fans from either side, but, the blame must rest on the breaks of football, fumbles and interceptions, capitalized on by the opponents, a larger desire of the opponents to win, better preparation for half time adjustment by a seasoned coaching staff.

Now, the Griz pretty much dominate in the first half, take away the run back on the opening play of the game, which crowd noise could not contribute one iota.

After the half time break the football gods broke in favor of the Lumberjacks,
for the first time in fourteen years, imagine that, it happens and it had nothing to do with fan participation, it had to do with desire of the Lumberjacks.

With nine minutes to go in the game, with my observation of watching the sidelines with my vantage of the first row above the team, the Griz were still in the game, and the consensus on the sidelines was, "don't forget this feeling," being instilled by the upper class men to the younger players, I found this strange, for I never seen that before, especially when there was still enough time for victory.

My only conclusion after refection is that there was such disarray after the half, that everything became dysfunctional even shutting down ahead of time.

I have no doubt that the upper class men, made their point and will be retained by the younger players, they will all go to work Monday and prepare for next week in Cheney, and for sure the environment will not be friendly and the crowd noise will favor of the Eagles and the Griz will have to overcome that adversity and they will.

Don't believe that the football gods will deter players like Moore and McKinney, they will rise to the occasion, the Griz season pretty much depends on it.

 

[bigkid]

I have a really stupid question. If crown "involvement" doesn't matter in a significant way why do the players move they're hands in an up and down motion to the crowd. Is it a new stretch, making sure they can see they're hands or did someone fart?