Great article on spread offenses with quotes from Stitt

[brewskis]

Could have been the result of having the wrong player on the field. Which is where I really did not agree with Semore at all.


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[SoldierGriz]

I might say that the interim coach made a playoff run on the backs of talent left by the previous coach and left the incoming coach a large void in talent, especially in some critical positions. Far from a "Cadillac".

Yep. And when THAT happens, it's a much longer, slower, more painful fix. We're only about halfway thru. IMHO, if I were AD I'd give Stitt this year AND next year. But if by next year we're not winning 85% and going deep into the playoffs I'd call the experiment a failure and cut my losses.

I believe you are reading my post and not getting what I am trying to convey, I'm not looking to fire coach Stitt, I'm looking for improvement.

His first year, well, not a disaster, however, the offense was suspect, I never blame athletes, its leadership to see that athletes perform to their ability.

His second year, well, you have to classify your conclusions, I believe I made mine clear.

I'm critical of coach Stitt, and after witnessing spring ball, my confidence is let say, dubious.

All I have to go on is his tenure at School of Mines, and two seasons at the UM, are you really that impressed.

So it always falls on the coaches, and none of our downfalls are on the players? Cal Poly was the result of poor coaching? Because when I saw us give up 21 points in long TD passes where safeties ran at the LOS while the WR's ran past them.....my first instinct wasn't to blame the coaches.


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Why? WRs running by safeties for 3 scores is not a coaching issue? I disagree.

Coaches recruit players. Coaches put players in positions to win. Coaches put their best players on the field. Coaches ensure teams show in-season progress. Defensive coaches install variations of zone coverage in the Spring and Fall. Special Teams coaches...well, they actually coach special teams. Won't even talk about the O-Line. Yes, the buck stops with coaches...

Gotta see progress this season.

 

[brewskis]

Yep. And when THAT happens, it's a much longer, slower, more painful fix. We're only about halfway thru. IMHO, if I were AD I'd give Stitt this year AND next year. But if by next year we're not winning 85% and going deep into the playoffs I'd call the experiment a failure and cut my losses.

I believe you are reading my post and not getting what I am trying to convey, I'm not looking to fire coach Stitt, I'm looking for improvement.

His first year, well, not a disaster, however, the offense was suspect, I never blame athletes, its leadership to see that athletes perform to their ability.

His second year, well, you have to classify your conclusions, I believe I made mine clear.

I'm critical of coach Stitt, and after witnessing spring ball, my confidence is let say, dubious.

All I have to go on is his tenure at School of Mines, and two seasons at the UM, are you really that impressed.

So it always falls on the coaches, and none of our downfalls are on the players? Cal Poly was the result of poor coaching? Because when I saw us give up 21 points in long TD passes where safeties ran at the LOS while the WR's ran past them.....my first instinct wasn't to blame the coaches.


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Why? WRs running by safeties for 3 scores is not a coaching issue? I disagree.

Coaches recruit players. Coaches put players in positions to win. Coaches put their best players on the field. Coaches ensure teams show in-season progress. Defensive coaches install variations of zone coverage in the Spring and Fall. Special Teams coaches...well, they actually coach special teams. Won't even talk about the O-Line. Yes, the buck stops with coaches...

Gotta see progress this season.

Alright cool. I don't see it as black and white but that's okay. Succeed or fail.....it's solely the coaches victory or failure.


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[SoldierGriz]

I believe you are reading my post and not getting what I am trying to convey, I'm not looking to fire coach Stitt, I'm looking for improvement.

His first year, well, not a disaster, however, the offense was suspect, I never blame athletes, its leadership to see that athletes perform to their ability.

His second year, well, you have to classify your conclusions, I believe I made mine clear.

I'm critical of coach Stitt, and after witnessing spring ball, my confidence is let say, dubious.

All I have to go on is his tenure at School of Mines, and two seasons at the UM, are you really that impressed.

So it always falls on the coaches, and none of our downfalls are on the players? Cal Poly was the result of poor coaching? Because when I saw us give up 21 points in long TD passes where safeties ran at the LOS while the WR's ran past them.....my first instinct wasn't to blame the coaches.


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Why? WRs running by safeties for 3 scores is not a coaching issue? I disagree.

Coaches recruit players. Coaches put players in positions to win. Coaches put their best players on the field. Coaches ensure teams show in-season progress. Defensive coaches install variations of zone coverage in the Spring and Fall. Special Teams coaches...well, they actually coach special teams. Won't even talk about the O-Line. Yes, the buck stops with coaches...

Gotta see progress this season.

Alright cool. I don't see it as black and white but that's okay. Succeed or fail.....it's solely the coaches victory or failure.


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Victories belong to the players...failures belong to the coaches.

 

[brewskis]

If you need a scapegoat then that's a great way of looking at it......and wildly irrational.


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[SoldierGriz]

If you need a scapegoat then that's a great way of looking at it......and wildly irrational.


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Here's what is irrational:

With zero evidence...

- Thinking the O-Line will be better than the last 2 years...why?
- Thinking Special Teams play will improve over the last 2 years...why?
- Thinking the Defensive Coordinator put players in positions and schemes that will win...why?
- Thinking QB play will be much improved...why?
- Thinking in-game adjustments will be sound...why?

I'm not looking for a Scapegoat. I'm looking for real progress. If I had to choose a scapegoat...then, yes it would be Stitt. Right behind the asshat Engstrom.

Like many, I'm cautiously optimistic. I love the way the staff has/is recruiting. But, I'm not buying everything being sold on good ole eGriz.com.

 

[dupuyer griz]

Just a thought, but if he were to go 10-1 and make a deep run, I think you'd see a lot of tunes change. I'm not a believer in this offense. If it puts a trophy in the case I'll be happy as hell, but I don't believe it's a winning strategy. Our D will have to be lights out this year or it will be a long year. Regardless, I want the Griz to win. If that means Stitt is here 1 more year or 20, I don't really care.


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[AZGrizFan]

With that said, a team that went two deep in the playoffs, in the mind of someone who is rational and not making excuses for the failings of someone that replace the interim coach, might say he inherited a Cadillac team.

I might say that the interim coach made a playoff run on the backs of talent left by the previous coach and left the incoming coach a large void in talent, especially in some critical positions. Far from a "Cadillac".

Yep. And when THAT happens, it's a much longer, slower, more painful fix. We're only about halfway thru. IMHO, if I were AD I'd give Stitt this year AND next year. But if by next year we're not winning 85% and going deep into the playoffs I'd call the experiment a failure and cut my losses.

I believe you are reading my post and not getting what I am trying to convey, I'm not looking to fire coach Stitt, I'm looking for improvement.

His first year, well, not a disaster, however, the offense was suspect, I never blame athletes, its leadership to see that athletes perform to their ability.

His second year, well, you have to classify your conclusions, I believe I made mine clear.

I'm critical of coach Stitt, and after witnessing spring ball, my confidence is let say, dubious.

All I have to go on is his tenure at School of Mines, and two seasons at the UM, are you really that impressed.

I guess that's where you and I differ....I AM, in fact, impressed by his tenure at School of Mines and what he did with an historically horrendous program, against tall odds. It wasn't his winning percentage that got him this job....it was the fact he took an historically cellar-dwelling football team full of brainiacs and made them super competitive in a conference where academics were--lets just say---not at the top of the list of important features. Anyone who thinks THAT's easy and wants to judge him simply on his W/L record is really just looking for reasons to get rid of him.

 

[mondayamqb]

Jezz Louise, has everyone beaten the O line to death? With a less than mobile QB, no tight end, no blocking fullback, no screens, draws, traps, fire passes, or receivers getting open to keep six defensive players from pinning their ears back and coming like enraged rhinos every play, even five all pro supermen aren't going to look very good. The game is played with 11 players, schemes, and coaches. amen.

 

[Copper Griz]

Jezz Louise, has everyone beaten the O line to death? With a less than mobile QB, no tight end, no blocking fullback, no screens, draws, traps, fire passes, or receivers getting open to keep six defensive players from pinning their ears back and coming like enraged rhinos every play, even five all pro supermen aren't going to look very good. The game is played with 11 players, schemes, and coaches. amen.

All of what you say is true, but the O line was not stellar. This year will be interesting to watch. Does Stitt make adjustments? Do we make defensive adjustments? Does having a more mobile QB make a difference? Is the O line better? Will the receivers make tough catches? I don't know the answers. The Chicken Little types on the board drive me nuts. The guy has been here two f'ing years. The program has been a mediocre since Pflu left with no real consistency (other than having some very good athletes at certain positions). Some on this board have no real patience and they are just unrealistic. Stitt will get his chance this year and maybe next year if the team improves. Simple as that. Now maybe everyone can shut the hell up until fall. The same argument over and over has become nauseating. Go play golf or fish for awhile people.

 

[AZGrizFan]

Jezz Louise, has everyone beaten the O line to death? With a less than mobile QB, no tight end, no blocking fullback, no screens, draws, traps, fire passes, or receivers getting open to keep six defensive players from pinning their ears back and coming like enraged rhinos every play, even five all pro supermen aren't going to look very good. The game is played with 11 players, schemes, and coaches. amen.

I watched the O-line get beat all. Day. Long. In Colorado against UNC....and UNC regularly only rushed four and dropped 7 into coverage....

 

[garizzalies]

What scares me about this offense is that it seems for it to be championship level, we need either a kick ass oline and/or a once in a lifetime QB and I don't see us having either for at least 2-3 years, but Stitt doesn't have that kind of time

 

[Copper Griz]

What scares me about this offense is that it seems for it to be championship level, we need either a kick ass oline and/or a once in a lifetime QB and I don't see us having either for at least 2-3 years, but Stitt doesn't have that kind of time

You just described about every team in FCS. Take away NDSU's dominant line and they would not have won championships. Look who their QB's were. A dominant line in FCS can steamroll teams. Without it - you don't see times winning championships. EWU - had the QB and receiver thing going, as well as a damn good line. Seems simple, but finding offensive linemen is obviously difficult.

 

[garizzalies]

Yes but the point is Griz nation does not have the patience of "about every team in FCS"

 

[AZGrizFan]

What scares me about this offense is that it seems for it to be championship level, we need either a kick ass oline and/or a once in a lifetime QB and I don't see us having either for at least 2-3 years, but Stitt doesn't have that kind of time

You just described about every team in FCS. Take away NDSU's dominant line and they would not have won championships. Look who their QB's were. A dominant line in FCS can steamroll teams. Without it - you don't see times winning championships. EWU - had the QB and receiver thing going, as well as a damn good line. Seems simple, but finding offensive linemen is obviously difficult.

O-linemen and DB's. Hardest positions to recruit at our level.

 

[casewinter13]

What scares me about this offense is that it seems for it to be championship level, we need either a kick ass oline and/or a once in a lifetime QB and I don't see us having either for at least 2-3 years, but Stitt doesn't have that kind of time

You just described about every team in FCS. Take away NDSU's dominant line and they would not have won championships. Look who their QB's were. A dominant line in FCS can steamroll teams. Without it - you don't see times winning championships. EWU - had the QB and receiver thing going, as well as a damn good line. Seems simple, but finding offensive linemen is obviously difficult.

O-linemen and DB's. Hardest positions to recruit at our level.

D line and DB's... respectfully

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[timp]

NDSU's O Line was dominant but their defense won those games. Offense was smash mouth but when you limit the opponent to less than 10 you will win.

 

[timp]

weak D = 38-35 loss to the Griz .Much better D by year end= National Champs

 

[AZGrizFan]

If you need a scapegoat then that's a great way of looking at it......and wildly irrational.


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Here's what is irrational:

With zero evidence...

- Thinking the O-Line will be better than the last 2 years...why?
- Thinking Special Teams play will improve over the last 2 years...why?
- Thinking the Defensive Coordinator put players in positions and schemes that will win...why?
- Thinking QB play will be much improved...why?
- Thinking in-game adjustments will be sound...why?

I'm not looking for a Scapegoat. I'm looking for real progress. If I had to choose a scapegoat...then, yes it would be Stitt. Right behind the asshat Engstrom.

Like many, I'm cautiously optimistic. I love the way the staff has/is recruiting. But, I'm not buying everything being sold on good ole eGriz.com.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

You answered your own damned question there, Soldier.

 

[AZGrizFan]

What scares me about this offense is that it seems for it to be championship level, we need either a kick ass oline and/or a once in a lifetime QB and I don't see us having either for at least 2-3 years, but Stitt doesn't have that kind of time

You just described about every team in FCS. Take away NDSU's dominant line and they would not have won championships. Look who their QB's were. A dominant line in FCS can steamroll teams. Without it - you don't see times winning championships. EWU - had the QB and receiver thing going, as well as a damn good line. Seems simple, but finding offensive linemen is obviously difficult.

O-linemen and DB's. Hardest positions to recruit at our level.

D line and DB's... respectfully

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THinking more of Griz problems recently....but in any case quality LINEMEN (on either side of the ball) seem to be in short supply.