Good, Bad, Ugly - UNI

[Grizzoola]

As one who picked the Griz to lose, I shouldn't be complaining.

 

[Zirg]

Okay, I will admit, I didn't make it down for the game but got to watch on the GoGriz feed without sound. My observations in reaction to some of the posters on here is "how high are you guys?". There's a guy complaining about the O-line without conceding that Coach Hauck didn't recruit a single guy off that line except maybe Anderson, who I'm not sure saw the field. Another scholar is talking about how he's used to Coach Hauck taking his foot off the gas, I assume he means Hauck shouldn't have let those receivers drop passes, shouldn't have let the number 13 team in the Nation make plays. And I agree the "green as an elf's dick" offensive line should have done a better job of moving a veteran defensive line with an All-American on it. Pot won't be legal in Canada until October 18, some of you south of the border jumped the cue. That was a great Griz win by a soon to be great but very young Griz team!

Whether Hauck "let off the gas" is debatable at best I agree, but why the hell are we running a hurry-up offense and leaving 20 seconds on the play-clock with an 11 point lead with 7-8 minutes left in the 4th quarter (and UNI only having 1 time-out left)? THAT is what allowed UNI to make it close. We could have taken 4-5 minutes off the clock in the 2nd half if we maximized the play-clock the whole half. Stitt did the same thing several times, and it cost us a win vs Cal-Poly. Only on the final drive did we run the play-clock down to a few seconds. When you have a big lead over a higher-ranked team in the 2nd-half, why wouldn't you milk the clock? I

Not sure that you are correct on UM running the hurry-up late in the game, but the definition of taking the foot off the gas would have been coming out in the second half and changing the gameplay to milk the clock.

The problem in the 2d half was not picking up 1st downs and not converting on 3d dow, and eventually not stopping NI on 3d down and 4th down.

Look at the number of plays in each drive in the 2d half:

4-9
4-17
3-5
6-16
3-8
5-20

Lost first drive on zones when we didn't convert on 3d and short and 4th and short. Then 4 punts in a row.

I'm not questioning anything about play-calling,or "taking the foot off the gas", just the fact that we snapped the ball with 20 seconds left on the play-clock the entire 2nd-half, outside of the final drive. Using the entire play-clock (with a huge lead in the 4th quarter) has nothing to do with play-calling.

 

[signedbewildered]

And more isn't always better.

The play count was pretty significant between us or is it just my imagination?

Yes, I am too lazy to look.

 

[IdahoGrizFan]

About the missed PAT and the almost missed second kick. Don’t know if you noticed but the first two snaps were was to the right of the holder. They were so bad that on the second kick the kicker started his motion had to stop and then started again. Missed kicks are a team effort as the first two included very bad snaps. The rest were spot on and the kicks were down the center.

 

[IdaGriz01]

And more isn't always better.

The play count was pretty significant between us or is it just my imagination?

Yes, I am too lazy to look.

UNI ran 82 plays, the Griz 70 ... neither exactly a torrid pace.

 

[kemajic]

Is "Bobby Ball" only about winning the 1st half and then defending that in the 2d half? WTH? I've seen it before, esp. the NC game w/ Villanova. I don't like this aspect of "BB." You take your foot off the gas w/ any of these teams, you deserve to lose, if it comes to that. I don't have the stats, but it looks like UM won the 1st half, but UNI damned near came close to winning the second (and most important) half.

C'mon, Bobby, don't overthink your strategy. Keep winning until the final buzzer (whatever). Goddam. I do know BH gets too conservative when ahead in the 4th qtr. He's got to go full tilt in the 4th, because that's what his opponents will do. Don't take your foot off the gas, BH!

You obviously didn't even watch the game. The Griz didn't take their foot off the gas in any respect. Hauck wasn't conservative at all. Was passing out of the end zone on the drives late in the game.

I couldn't watch the game, got something online. Anyway, how do you expllain UNI's comeback in 4th qtr? I've seen so much of that in past BH games. Explain to me why it is, what I think is, BH playing conservative in late 4th qtr?

My explanation is that our young OL was out-manned by the veteran UNI DL; while our pass blocking was good, we could not move the ball on the ground and struggled in the 2nd half on third downs. This led to a 2nd half TOP advantage for UNI and it began to wear down our defense, particularly in the trenches. We played above our head in the first half and only because our skill position players were better than UNI's were we able to hang on in the second half. I did not see BH taking his foot off the gas; he was not calling plays. Our good breaks came in the first half, our bad ones in the second. Like most MVFC top teams, few teams consistently beat them at the line of scrimmage. We will see teams in the BSC with better skill position play than UNI, but doubt we will see one better in the trenches.

 

[4theluvofgriz]

Okay, I will admit, I didn't make it down for the game but got to watch on the GoGriz feed without sound. My observations in reaction to some of the posters on here is "how high are you guys?". There's a guy complaining about the O-line without conceding that Coach Hauck didn't recruit a single guy off that line except maybe Anderson, who I'm not sure saw the field. Another scholar is talking about how he's used to Coach Hauck taking his foot off the gas, I assume he means Hauck shouldn't have let those receivers drop passes, shouldn't have let the number 13 team in the Nation make plays. And I agree the "green as an elf's dick" offensive line should have done a better job of moving a veteran defensive line with an All-American on it. Pot won't be legal in Canada until October 18, some of you south of the border jumped the cue. That was a great Griz win by a soon to be great but very young Griz team!

Whether Hauck "let off the gas" is debatable at best I agree, but why the hell are we running a hurry-up offense and leaving 20 seconds on the play-clock with an 11 point lead with 7-8 minutes left in the 4th quarter (and UNI only having 1 time-out left)? THAT is what allowed UNI to make it close. We could have taken 4-5 minutes off the clock in the 2nd half if we maximized the play-clock the whole half. Stitt did the same thing several times, and it cost us a win vs Cal-Poly. Only on the final drive did we run the play-clock down to a few seconds. When you have a big lead over a higher-ranked team in the 2nd-half, why wouldn't you milk the clock? I

Not sure that you are correct on UM running the hurry-up late in the game, but the definition of taking the foot off the gas would have been coming out in the second half and changing the gameplay to milk the clock.

The problem in the 2d half was not picking up 1st downs and not converting on 3d dow, and eventually not stopping NI on 3d down and 4th down.

Look at the number of plays in each drive in the 2d half:

4-9
4-17
3-5
6-16
3-8
5-20

Lost first drive on zones when we didn't convert on 3d and short and 4th and short. Then 4 punts in a row.

I'm not questioning anything about play-calling,or "taking the foot off the gas", just the fact that we snapped the ball with 20 seconds left on the play-clock the entire 2nd-half, outside of the final drive. Using the entire play-clock (with a huge lead in the 4th quarter) has nothing to do with play-calling.

Good point, and something I did not notice during the game.

 

[4theluvofgriz]

Bob Jackson would have had 200 yards.

How's your QB prediction looking? Still sticking with that one?

You are such an ass hat. I never said Wilson would start the season at QB. I just said he is more accurate than Sneed, and I stand by that today. By the way, your boy idol Bobby thinks the same about Wilson.

 

[4theluvofgriz]

Is "Bobby Ball" only about winning the 1st half and then defending that in the 2d half? WTH? I've seen it before, esp. the NC game w/ Villanova. I don't like this aspect of "BB." You take your foot off the gas w/ any of these teams, you deserve to lose, if it comes to that. I don't have the stats, but it looks like UM won the 1st half, but UNI damned near came close to winning the second (and most important) half.

C'mon, Bobby, don't overthink your strategy. Keep winning until the final buzzer (whatever). Goddam. I do know BH gets too conservative when ahead in the 4th qtr. He's got to go full tilt in the 4th, because that's what his opponents will do. Don't take your foot off the gas, BH!

You obviously didn't even watch the game. The Griz didn't take their foot off the gas in any respect. Hauck wasn't conservative at all. Was passing out of the end zone on the drives late in the game.

I couldn't watch the game, got something online. Anyway, how do you expllain UNI's comeback in 4th qtr? I've seen so much of that in past BH games. Explain to me why it is, what I think is, BH playing conservative in late 4th qtr?

My explanation is that our young OL was out-manned by the veteran UNI DL; we could not move the ball on the ground and struggled in the 2nd half on third downs. This led to a 2nd half TOP advantage for UNI and it began to wear down our defense, particularly in the trenches. We played above our head in the first half and only because our skill position players were better than UNI's were we able to hang on in the second half. I did not see BH taking his foot off the gas; he was not calling plays. Our good breaks came in the first half, our bad ones in the second. Like most MVFC top teams, few teams consistently beat them at the line of scrimmage. We will see teams in the BSC with better skill position play than UNI, but doubt we will see one better in the trenches.

I agree with this post.

 

[4theluvofgriz]

Okay, I will admit, I didn't make it down for the game but got to watch on the GoGriz feed without sound. My observations in reaction to some of the posters on here is "how high are you guys?". There's a guy complaining about the O-line without conceding that Coach Hauck didn't recruit a single guy off that line except maybe Anderson, who I'm not sure saw the field. Another scholar is talking about how he's used to Coach Hauck taking his foot off the gas, I assume he means Hauck shouldn't have let those receivers drop passes, shouldn't have let the number 13 team in the Nation make plays. And I agree the "green as an elf's dick" offensive line should have done a better job of moving a veteran defensive line with an All-American on it. Pot won't be legal in Canada until October 18, some of you south of the border jumped the cue. That was a great Griz win by a soon to be great but very young Griz team!

It's not about who recruited the O-line, or that NIU had a great defensive line. None of that changes the fact that our O-line could not block for the running game, and this going to be a big problem going forward. We will play other teams with solid defenses, and we need to be able to run the ball. Bottom line.....Excuses don't cut it. Performance does.

Agreed, PERFORMANCE is THEY WON! It seems like some of the posters on here are the ones making EXCUSES "sure the Griz won, but, but, but, what about, this that and the other."

It IS about who recruited the O-line! You play the cards you are dealt but we'd all love to be holding pocket bullets and not Seven-Duece off suit. I think the Griz coaches cobbled together a decent line with not as much to work with as one might hope. (And that is no criticism to any of those young Griz warriors, just a fact that they didn't have a whole lot of seasoning)

It IS about UNI's line! That kid in the 7 jersey was a Pre-Season All-American, remember him? I don't since he didn't do jack against our line. They were very good and experienced. A reason is not the same as an excuse; one guy climbed the M and the other guy failed to summit Everest, but to your thinking the second guy shouldn't make "excuses".

Our run game will be fine, takes time.

Our run will not be fine this year, except against the patsies we play, like Drake et. al. I am quite sure you will come on here after we gain a bunch of ground yardage next week to say "see I told you so". You didn't see the NIU game, but you know all about #7 not doing jack??? You must telepathic. I guess he was not part of the defense who totally throttled our running game. You are a fan, we get it. But stop trying to sugar coat what is obvious to most of us about our O-line. Bobby knows it too, and has stated it both publicly, and privately. And yeah, I know insiders too, just like the jock-sniffer king does, so save the lecture. Nobody like a homer hack on a football board swilling the Kool-Aid.

 

[4theluvofgriz]

Okay, I will admit, I didn't make it down for the game but got to watch on the GoGriz feed without sound. My observations in reaction to some of the posters on here is "how high are you guys?". There's a guy complaining about the O-line without conceding that Coach Hauck didn't recruit a single guy off that line except maybe Anderson, who I'm not sure saw the field. Another scholar is talking about how he's used to Coach Hauck taking his foot off the gas, I assume he means Hauck shouldn't have let those receivers drop passes, shouldn't have let the number 13 team in the Nation make plays. And I agree the "green as an elf's dick" offensive line should have done a better job of moving a veteran defensive line with an All-American on it. Pot won't be legal in Canada until October 18, some of you south of the border jumped the cue. That was a great Griz win by a soon to be great but very young Griz team!

It's not about who recruited the O-line, or that NIU had a great defensive line. None of that changes the fact that our O-line could not block for the running game, and this going to be a big problem going forward. We will play other teams with solid defenses, and we need to be able to run the ball. Bottom line.....Excuses don't cut it. Performance does.

Agreed, PERFORMANCE is THEY WON! It seems like some of the posters on here are the ones making EXCUSES "sure the Griz won, but, but, but, what about, this that and the other."

It IS about who recruited the O-line! You play the cards you are dealt but we'd all love to be holding pocket bullets and not Seven-Duece off suit. I think the Griz coaches cobbled together a decent line with not as much to work with as one might hope. (And that is no criticism to any of those young Griz warriors, just a fact that they didn't have a whole lot of seasoning)

It IS about UNI's line! That kid in the 7 jersey was a Pre-Season All-American, remember him? I don't since he didn't do jack against our line. They were very good and experienced. A reason is not the same as an excuse; one guy climbed the M and the other guy failed to summit Everest, but to your thinking the second guy shouldn't make "excuses".

Our run game will be fine, takes time.

Our run will not be fine this year, except against the patsies we play, like Drake et. al. I am quite sure you will come on here after we gain a bunch of ground yardage next week to say "see I told you so". You didn't see the NIU game, but you know all about #7 not doing jack??? You must telepathic. I guess he was not part of the defense who totally throttled our running game. You are a fan, we get it. But stop trying to sugar coat what is obvious to most of us about our O-line. Bobby knows it too, and has stated it both publicly, and privately.

 

[Zirg]

I don't pretend to know more than Timm Rosenbach about what play to call, and I thought he did a great job and I am not criticizing any playcall. There were several dropped passes in the 2nd half on good play-calls, so it wasn't like he made worse play-calls in the 2nd-half or Hauck let off the gas in that respect. I don't care what play we call but why wouldn't we run the play-clock (if the game-clock is running) down to 2-3 seconds in the fourth quarter (with a huge lead) versus a higher ranked team that had 1 (and then 0 time-outs) left until the last drive? If I didn't delete the game from my tv, I would go back and add up all the seconds/minutes the Griz could have used up by not snapping the ball so early (when the game-clock is running) in the 2nd half and I bet it's in the 4-5 minute range. I doubt anyone else is willing to do it, so If they re-run the game, I'll record it and do it. And while I, personally, would have milked every second the entire second half after being up 26-0, I am really only critical of the 2nd and 3rd to-last possessions we had in the 4th quarter when the clock was UNI's main enemy and we, inexplicably snapped the ball with 15-20 seconds on a moving clock several times. I was fine with keeping the hurry-up to start the 3rd quarter because "if it ain't broke, why fix it"?, but clock-wasting needs to be utilized way before the last drive with 3 minutes left in the game if the circumstances call for it. And this game called for it.

 

[kemajic]

I don't pretend to know more than Timm Rosenbach about what play to call, and I thought he did a great job and I am not criticizing any playcall. There were several dropped passes in the 2nd half on good play-calls, so it wasn't like he made worse play-calls in the 2nd-half or Hauck let off the gas in that respect. I don't care what play we call but why wouldn't we run the play-clock (if the game-clock is running) down to 2-3 seconds in the fourth quarter (with a huge lead) versus a higher ranked team that had 1 (and then 0 time-outs) left until the last drive? If I didn't delete the game from my tv, I would go back and add up all the seconds/minutes the Griz could have used up by not snapping the ball so early (when the game-clock is running) in the 2nd half and I bet it's in the 4-5 minute range. I doubt anyone else is willing to do it, so If they re-run the game, I'll record it and do it. And while I, personally, would have milked every second the entire second half after being up 26-0, I am really only critical of the 2nd and 3rd to-last possessions we had in the 4th quarter when the clock was UNI's main enemy and we, inexplicably snapped the ball with 15-20 seconds on a moving clock several times. I was fine with keeping the hurry-up to start the 3rd quarter because "if it ain't broke, why fix it"?, but clock-wasting needs to be utilized way before the last drive with 3 minutes left in the game if the circumstances call for it. And this game called for it.

Possibly miking the clock early like you suggest would be viewed as "taking the foot off the gas."

 

[SaskGriz]

Okay, I will admit, I didn't make it down for the game but got to watch on the GoGriz feed without sound. My observations in reaction to some of the posters on here is "how high are you guys?". There's a guy complaining about the O-line without conceding that Coach Hauck didn't recruit a single guy off that line except maybe Anderson, who I'm not sure saw the field. Another scholar is talking about how he's used to Coach Hauck taking his foot off the gas, I assume he means Hauck shouldn't have let those receivers drop passes, shouldn't have let the number 13 team in the Nation make plays. And I agree the "green as an elf's dick" offensive line should have done a better job of moving a veteran defensive line with an All-American on it. Pot won't be legal in Canada until October 18, some of you south of the border jumped the cue. That was a great Griz win by a soon to be great but very young Griz team!

It's not about who recruited the O-line, or that NIU had a great defensive line. None of that changes the fact that our O-line could not block for the running game, and this going to be a big problem going forward. We will play other teams with solid defenses, and we need to be able to run the ball. Bottom line.....Excuses don't cut it. Performance does.

Agreed, PERFORMANCE is THEY WON! It seems like some of the posters on here are the ones making EXCUSES "sure the Griz won, but, but, but, what about, this that and the other."

It IS about who recruited the O-line! You play the cards you are dealt but we'd all love to be holding pocket bullets and not Seven-Duece off suit. I think the Griz coaches cobbled together a decent line with not as much to work with as one might hope. (And that is no criticism to any of those young Griz warriors, just a fact that they didn't have a whole lot of seasoning)

It IS about UNI's line! That kid in the 7 jersey was a Pre-Season All-American, remember him? I don't since he didn't do jack against our line. They were very good and experienced. A reason is not the same as an excuse; one guy climbed the M and the other guy failed to summit Everest, but to your thinking the second guy shouldn't make "excuses".

Our run game will be fine, takes time.

Our run will not be fine this year, except against the patsies we play, like Drake et. al. I am quite sure you will come on here after we gain a bunch of ground yardage next week to say "see I told you so". You didn't see the NIU game, but you know all about #7 not doing jack??? You must telepathic. I guess he was not part of the defense who totally throttled our running game. You are a fan, we get it. But stop trying to sugar coat what is obvious to most of us about our O-line. Bobby knows it too, and has stated it both publicly, and privately. And yeah, I know insiders too, just like the jock-sniffer king does, so save the lecture. Nobody like a homer hack on a football board swilling the Kool-Aid.

Man, you gotta get your mom to open a window in the basement and get one of those Radon test kits.

I watched every single play of the NIU game, so no telepathy needed. #7 Did not have a sack, a solo tackle, a QB hit or even a QB pressure.

I never said I knew any Griz insiders, hell I live 640 miles from WGS. (I did go to school with Coach Hauck, and I think I might have umpired a game at the Clover Bowl that he played softball in, but never mentioned the 2018 line and his private thoughts on it).

You watched one game of football against one of the top teams in the country and you've got our line figured out to be garbage? That's some Yuri Geller, spoon bending telepathy right there. Of course Coach Hauck said he had concerns; find me a head coach taking over four rookies and all kids he doesn't know who wouldn't have concerns. I'm playing poker with that guy because he's a fool.

I assume your "Jock-sniffer king" shot is at PlayerRep, don't know what the hell that is about. I will say that I've never met the man, but he called my bluff last year and was a total gentleman about it.

And to close, I will bet you $1000 US that I don't say "see I told you so" after the Drake game. Interested?

 

[Gaeilge1]

What nobody on this thread has mentioned yet were the two of three times the Griz made absolutely stupid bonehead penalties that kept UNI drives alive! Particularly that late hit out of bounds call on a 3rd and forever that gave UNI a first down and ultimately a score.

We clean those kind of mistakes up and we aren't having a lot of this conversation.

 

[PDXGrizzly]

What nobody on this thread has mentioned yet were the two of three times the Griz made absolutely stupid bonehead penalties that kept UNI drives alive! Particularly that late hit out of bounds call on a 3rd and forever that gave UNI a first down and ultimately a score.

We clean those kind of mistakes up and we aren't having a lot of this conversation.

One of those was by a kid named Hauck. I’ll bet he heard about that play. Any guesses how many times he is going to run the M because of it?

 

[PlayerRep]

What nobody on this thread has mentioned yet were the two of three times the Griz made absolutely stupid bonehead penalties that kept UNI drives alive! Particularly that late hit out of bounds call on a 3rd and forever that gave UNI a first down and ultimately a score.

We clean those kind of mistakes up and we aren't having a lot of this conversation.

One of those was by a kid named Hauck. I’ll bet he heard about that play. Any guesses how many times he is going to run the M because of it?

That was an incorrect call by the refs.The refs threw a late flag due to the chirping by the NI bench. The refs should be sanctioned for their crappy call.

 

[PDXGrizzly]

What nobody on this thread has mentioned yet were the two of three times the Griz made absolutely stupid bonehead penalties that kept UNI drives alive! Particularly that late hit out of bounds call on a 3rd and forever that gave UNI a first down and ultimately a score.

We clean those kind of mistakes up and we aren't having a lot of this conversation.

One of those was by a kid named Hauck. I’ll bet he heard about that play. Any guesses how many times he is going to run the M because of it?

That was an incorrect call by the refs.The refs threw a late flag due to the chirping by the NI bench. The refs should be sanctioned for their crappy call.

They missed a bunch of stuff, including a horrific spot on 4th down as well as the left guard for UNI false starting 20 times during the game.

 

[RayWill]

What nobody on this thread has mentioned yet were the two of three times the Griz made absolutely stupid bonehead penalties that kept UNI drives alive! Particularly that late hit out of bounds call on a 3rd and forever that gave UNI a first down and ultimately a score.

We clean those kind of mistakes up and we aren't having a lot of this conversation.

One of those was by a kid named Hauck. I’ll bet he heard about that play. Any guesses how many times he is going to run the M because of it?

That was an incorrect call by the refs.The refs threw a late flag due to the chirping by the NI bench. The refs should be sanctioned for their crappy call.

They missed a bunch of stuff, including a horrific spot on 4th down as well as the left guard for UNI false starting 20 times during the game.

Also on Currans I think third catch after the play one of the UNI players elbowed Curran in the face mask hole right in front of the ref and nothing. A bunch of us saw it clear as a bell in our section

 

[SaskGriz]

What nobody on this thread has mentioned yet were the two of three times the Griz made absolutely stupid bonehead penalties that kept UNI drives alive! Particularly that late hit out of bounds call on a 3rd and forever that gave UNI a first down and ultimately a score.

We clean those kind of mistakes up and we aren't having a lot of this conversation.

One of those was by a kid named Hauck. I’ll bet he heard about that play. Any guesses how many times he is going to run the M because of it?

That was an incorrect call by the refs.The refs threw a late flag due to the chirping by the NI bench. The refs should be sanctioned for their crappy call.

No, the late hit out of bounds was the correct call. The PI might have been what you are thinking of, but on the late hit, the UNI kid was a good step/yard out when Hauck hit him. I understand it's hard to pull up and the juices are flowing but the call was correct. Unfortunate for the Griz but correct.