Good, Bad, Ugly - NAU

[Htowngriz]

Maybe. But I don't think a different OC would have prevented Sneed from throwing 5 picks.

Play selection keeps turn overs and injuries to a minimum...

I don't recall him throwing many picks when we played them a few weeks previously.

 

[Htowngriz]

30-3 win on the road and a lot of whining because the Griz didn't win the way they wanted. But maybe a new OC could cut down on the drops by Simpson and Akem. And maybe Brown's short throw to a wide open Akem in the end zone might have been on target.

Hind sight is always 20-20. What if , what if what if.....

Point being, if those players had executed like they should have on those plays, you might not be kvetching about the OC quite as much.

 

[mcg]

If I recall correctly, 1 touchdown.

30-3 win on the road and a lot of whining because the Griz didn't win the way they wanted. But maybe a new OC could cut down on the drops by Simpson and Akem. And maybe Brown's short throw to a wide open Akem in the end zone might have been on target.

My point is that the object of the game is to score points, preferably touchdowns, not "win" yardage and TOP. We had a coach not too long ago that seemed to really focus on those two things and it didn't work out well. FWIW I don't have an opinion on the offensive coordinator, I trust he his doing the best he can with the players he's got.

 

[kemajic]

30-3 win on the road and a lot of whining because the Griz didn't win the way they wanted. But maybe a new OC could cut down on the drops by Simpson and Akem. And maybe Brown's short throw to a wide open Akem in the end zone might have been on target.

My point is that the object of the game is to score points, preferably touchdowns, not "win" yardage and TOP. We had a coach not too long ago that seemed to really focus on those two things and it didn't work out well. FWIW I don't have an opinion on the offensive coordinator, I trust he his doing the best he can with the players he's got.

30 points and 3 team TDs were enough to win handily and yet you whine. Montana has 36 TDs this year to opponents 17 and has scored 293 to opponents 133. Montana seems to be winning both your TD and points arguments. So keep criticizing the week of Griz/Cat.

 

[Jaredkuehn]

30-3 win on the road and a lot of whining because the Griz didn't win the way they wanted. But maybe a new OC could cut down on the drops by Simpson and Akem. And maybe Brown's short throw to a wide open Akem in the end zone might have been on target.

My point is that the object of the game is to score points, preferably touchdowns, not "win" yardage and TOP. We had a coach not too long ago that seemed to really focus on those two things and it didn't work out well. FWIW I don't have an opinion on the offensive coordinator, I trust he his doing the best he can with the players he's got.

I thought the objective was to win games. :?: Winning yardage and TOP isn't always pretty, but winning games is.

 

[mtgrizrule]

30-3 win on the road and a lot of whining because the Griz didn't win the way they wanted. But maybe a new OC could cut down on the drops by Simpson and Akem. And maybe Brown's short throw to a wide open Akem in the end zone might have been on target.

My point is that the object of the game is to score points, preferably touchdowns, not "win" yardage and TOP. We had a coach not too long ago that seemed to really focus on those two things and it didn't work out well. FWIW I don't have an opinion on the offensive coordinator, I trust he his doing the best he can with the players he's got.

No he's not doing the best, with who we have. Christ sake, a good OC doesn't run a 170 LB freshman, converted WR between the tackles so often, or throw so many short swing passes to that RB. Bergen should be seeing the ball on screens, motion plays with quick hit patterns, or taking a coverage LB at least 15 yards up field.

A good OC creates more ways to get a beast WR (Akem) more opportunities. A good OC designs plays to utilize a break away threat (Flowers) the ball more often in the open field.
A good OC uses more motion for better pre snap reads, to better diagnose what scheme the defense is likely running. A better OC has more misdirect plays, to counter the very aggressive defenses we see.

That's just a few examples. Hell, I'm just a damn fan that's learned these things at coaching clinics, studying, film break down, and general observations over the years. There's no reason for a Div 1 OC, former NFL qb to not consistently try any combination of these things!!! Yes, the OC and OL are liabilities this season.

Sorry for the rant. Just can't understand how any somewhat knowledgeable football fan cannot see these things and back Rosenbach.

 

['68griz]

My point is that the object of the game is to score points, preferably touchdowns, not "win" yardage and TOP. We had a coach not too long ago that seemed to really focus on those two things and it didn't work out well. FWIW I don't have an opinion on the offensive coordinator, I trust he his doing the best he can with the players he's got.

No he's not doing the best, with who we have. Christ sake, a good OC doesn't run a 170 LB freshman, converted WR between the tackles so often, or throw so many short swing passes to that RB. Bergen should be seeing the ball on screens, motion plays with quick hit patterns, or taking a coverage LB at least 15 yards up field.

A good OC creates more ways to get a beast WR (Akem) more opportunities. A good OC designs plays to utilize a break away threat (Flowers) the ball more often in the open field.
A good OC uses more motion for better pre snap reads, to better diagnose what scheme the defense is likely running. A better OC has more misdirect plays, to counter the very aggressive defenses we see.

That's just a few examples. Hell, I'm just a damn fan that's learned these things at coaching clinics, studying, film break down, and general observations over the years. There's no reason for a Div 1 OC, former NFL qb to not consistently try any combination of these things!!! Yes, the OC and OL are liabilities this season.

Sorry for the rant. Just can't understand how any somewhat knowledgeable football fan cannot see these things and back Rosenbach.

+1

 

[kemajic]

My point is that the object of the game is to score points, preferably touchdowns, not "win" yardage and TOP. We had a coach not too long ago that seemed to really focus on those two things and it didn't work out well. FWIW I don't have an opinion on the offensive coordinator, I trust he his doing the best he can with the players he's got.

No he's not doing the best, with who we have. Christ sake, a good OC doesn't run a 170 LB freshman, converted WR between the tackles so often, or throw so many short swing passes to that RB. Bergen should be seeing the ball on screens, motion plays with quick hit patterns, or taking a coverage LB at least 15 yards up field.

A good OC creates more ways to get a beast WR (Akem) more opportunities. A good OC designs plays to utilize a break away threat (Flowers) the ball more often in the open field.
A good OC uses more motion for better pre snap reads, to better diagnose what scheme the defense is likely running. A better OC has more misdirect plays, to counter the very aggressive defenses we see.

That's just a few examples. Hell, I'm just a damn fan that's learned these things at coaching clinics, studying, film break down, and general observations over the years. There's no reason for a Div 1 OC, former NFL qb to not consistently try any combination of these things!!! Yes, the OC and OL are liabilities this season.

Sorry for the rant. Just can't understand how any somewhat knowledgeable football fan cannot see these things and back Rosenbach.

Do you think possibly that it might be that Rosenbach is our OC, will be our OC, and it is Griz/Cat week and not the best time for attacking the guy that's putting together the game plan to beat MSU? The team is getting healthier and winning games; save your rants for when we lose due to the OC. Then you can play your blame game to listening ears.

 

[mtgrizrule]

No he's not doing the best, with who we have. Christ sake, a good OC doesn't run a 170 LB freshman, converted WR between the tackles so often, or throw so many short swing passes to that RB. Bergen should be seeing the ball on screens, motion plays with quick hit patterns, or taking a coverage LB at least 15 yards up field.

A good OC creates more ways to get a beast WR (Akem) more opportunities. A good OC designs plays to utilize a break away threat (Flowers) the ball more often in the open field.
A good OC uses more motion for better pre snap reads, to better diagnose what scheme the defense is likely running. A better OC has more misdirect plays, to counter the very aggressive defenses we see.

That's just a few examples. Hell, I'm just a damn fan that's learned these things at coaching clinics, studying, film break down, and general observations over the years. There's no reason for a Div 1 OC, former NFL qb to not consistently try any combination of these things!!! Yes, the OC and OL are liabilities this season.

Sorry for the rant. Just can't understand how any somewhat knowledgeable football fan cannot see these things and back Rosenbach.

Do you think possibly that it might be that Rosenbach is our OC, will be our OC, and it is Griz/Cat week and not the best time for attacking the guy that's putting together the game plan to beat MSU? The team is getting healthier and winning games; save your rants for when we lose due to the OC. Then you can play your blame game to listening ears.

Think as you like. I'll do the same. Offensive Play calling has been a huge issue this season. I'm sure, most Griz fans will agree. At least, from what I read here and hear in the stands, tailgates, etc. Call it blaming, if you'd like. I see it as reality. Carry on.

 

[kemajic]

Do you think possibly that it might be that Rosenbach is our OC, will be our OC, and it is Griz/Cat week and not the best time for attacking the guy that's putting together the game plan to beat MSU? The team is getting healthier and winning games; save your rants for when we lose due to the OC. Then you can play your blame game to listening ears.

Think as you like. I'll do the same. Offensive Play calling has been a huge issue this season. I'm sure, most Griz fans will agree. At least, from what I read here and hear in the stands, tailgates, etc. Call it blaming, if you'd like. I see it as reality. Carry on.

I don't disagree and have expressed similar concerns. But not when we're on a winning streak and the biggest week of the year. It's your timing that sucks.

 

[fanofzoo]

My point is that the object of the game is to score points, preferably touchdowns, not "win" yardage and TOP. We had a coach not too long ago that seemed to really focus on those two things and it didn't work out well. FWIW I don't have an opinion on the offensive coordinator, I trust he his doing the best he can with the players he's got.

No he's not doing the best, with who we have. Christ sake, a good OC doesn't run a 170 LB freshman, converted WR between the tackles so often, or throw so many short swing passes to that RB. Bergen should be seeing the ball on screens, motion plays with quick hit patterns, or taking a coverage LB at least 15 yards up field.

A good OC creates more ways to get a beast WR (Akem) more opportunities. A good OC designs plays to utilize a break away threat (Flowers) the ball more often in the open field.
A good OC uses more motion for better pre snap reads, to better diagnose what scheme the defense is likely running. A better OC has more misdirect plays, to counter the very aggressive defenses we see.

That's just a few examples. Hell, I'm just a damn fan that's learned these things at coaching clinics, studying, film break down, and general observations over the years. There's no reason for a Div 1 OC, former NFL qb to not consistently try any combination of these things!!! Yes, the OC and OL are liabilities this season.

Sorry for the rant. Just can't understand how any somewhat knowledgeable football fan cannot see these things and back Rosenbach.

You talkin about bobby ?

 

[mtgrizrule]

No he's not doing the best, with who we have. Christ sake, a good OC doesn't run a 170 LB freshman, converted WR between the tackles so often, or throw so many short swing passes to that RB. Bergen should be seeing the ball on screens, motion plays with quick hit patterns, or taking a coverage LB at least 15 yards up field.

A good OC creates more ways to get a beast WR (Akem) more opportunities. A good OC designs plays to utilize a break away threat (Flowers) the ball more often in the open field.
A good OC uses more motion for better pre snap reads, to better diagnose what scheme the defense is likely running. A better OC has more misdirect plays, to counter the very aggressive defenses we see.

That's just a few examples. Hell, I'm just a damn fan that's learned these things at coaching clinics, studying, film break down, and general observations over the years. There's no reason for a Div 1 OC, former NFL qb to not consistently try any combination of these things!!! Yes, the OC and OL are liabilities this season.

Sorry for the rant. Just can't understand how any somewhat knowledgeable football fan cannot see these things and back Rosenbach.

You talkin about bobby ?

 

[mtgrizrule]

You talkin about bobby ?

R u serious? How many x's did I mention OC? Is Bobby the OC too, now? Lol

 

[PTGrizzly]

No he's not doing the best, with who we have. Christ sake, a good OC doesn't run a 170 LB freshman, converted WR between the tackles so often, or throw so many short swing passes to that RB. Bergen should be seeing the ball on screens, motion plays with quick hit patterns, or taking a coverage LB at least 15 yards up field.

A good OC creates more ways to get a beast WR (Akem) more opportunities. A good OC designs plays to utilize a break away threat (Flowers) the ball more often in the open field.
A good OC uses more motion for better pre snap reads, to better diagnose what scheme the defense is likely running. A better OC has more misdirect plays, to counter the very aggressive defenses we see.

That's just a few examples. Hell, I'm just a damn fan that's learned these things at coaching clinics, studying, film break down, and general observations over the years. There's no reason for a Div 1 OC, former NFL qb to not consistently try any combination of these things!!! Yes, the OC and OL are liabilities this season.

Sorry for the rant. Just can't understand how any somewhat knowledgeable football fan cannot see these things and back Rosenbach.

Do you think possibly that it might be that Rosenbach is our OC, will be our OC, and it is Griz/Cat week and not the best time for attacking the guy that's putting together the game plan to beat MSU? The team is getting healthier and winning games; save your rants for when we lose due to the OC. Then you can play your blame game to listening ears.

I think it’s more than likely that any criticism, valid or not, towards a coach on a message board will have absolutely zero impact on said coach putting together a game plan. Can’t imagine Rosey going to Hauck and saying, “I CAN’T MAKE A ******* GOOD GAMEPLAN IF MTGRIZRULE DOESN’T LIKE MY PLAYS!”

Get real. For the most part, what we say here, doesn’t matter. I could say that I think Baer’s play calling is genius, and it won’t matter. I can say that I think the offensive play calling on first down is malpractice, and it doesn’t matter (these are just examples btw, don’t take anything from it). But your post and other drivel from people on how “oh we can’t overlook this player or this opponent” is ridiculous. That’s for the coaches and players to worry about, not the fans. I could do zero research into who we’re playing and it would not make one ounce of a difference. Our only job is to be loud on Gameday. That’s it. Nothing else we say or do here matters (in general).

 

[mtgrizrule]

Do you think possibly that it might be that Rosenbach is our OC, will be our OC, and it is Griz/Cat week and not the best time for attacking the guy that's putting together the game plan to beat MSU? The team is getting healthier and winning games; save your rants for when we lose due to the OC. Then you can play your blame game to listening ears.

I think it’s more than likely that any criticism, valid or not, towards a coach on a message board will have absolutely zero impact on said coach putting together a game plan. Can’t imagine Rosey going to Hauck and saying, “I CAN’T MAKE A ******* GOOD GAMEPLAN IF MTGRIZRULE DOESN’T LIKE MY PLAYS!”

Get real. For the most part, what we say here, doesn’t matter. I could say that I think Baer’s play calling is genius, and it won’t matter. I can say that I think the offensive play calling on first down is malpractice, and it doesn’t matter (these are just examples btw, don’t take anything from it). But your post and other drivel from people on how “oh we can’t overlook this player or this opponent” is ridiculous. That’s for the coaches and players to worry about, not the fans. I could do zero research into who we’re playing and it would not make one ounce of a difference. Our only job is to be loud on Gameday. That’s it. Nothing else we say or do here matters (in general).

You're right. However, this a fan board to voice opinions, etc. Are we to not post any kudos or criticisms?

 

[3-7-77]

I've been pretty disappointed in his play this year. I know QB play certainly is a factor, but when you're supposed to be "the man" sometimes you have to step up, make big plays, and make those around you better. I don't see him doing that at all.

My wife remarked that it didn't look like he really wanted the ball.

Oh, my god, people are going to eGriz hell for these type of comments. Sacrilege. There have been two other threads about Akem and his desire or lack thereof, effort or lack thereof, and ability or lack thereof. The usual response has been 'how dare you criticize him, who the hell are you to judge, and the ever populare you never played the game.' Criticizm of players is verbotten. Who you gonna believe, what you are told by loyal eGriz posters, or your lying eyes?

Its that obvious. Watch the games. He may put some effort once in a while, but on the whole...
He is not the same Akem we saw last year.

 

[Htowngriz]

My wife remarked that it didn't look like he really wanted the ball.

Oh, my god, people are going to eGriz hell for these type of comments. Sacrilege. There have been two other threads about Akem and his desire or lack thereof, effort or lack thereof, and ability or lack thereof. The usual response has been 'how dare you criticize him, who the hell are you to judge, and the ever populare you never played the game.' Criticizm of players is verbotten. Who you gonna believe, what you are told by loyal eGriz posters, or your lying eyes?

Its that obvious. Watch the games. He may put some effort once in a while, but on the whole...
He is not the same Akem we saw last year.

There must be something more to it than he just doesn't care. Never struck me as that kind of guy/player. Maybe frustration with double teams? Wishes he had entered the transfer portal like Toure?

 

[MissoulaMarinerFan]

My point is that the object of the game is to score points, preferably touchdowns, not "win" yardage and TOP. We had a coach not too long ago that seemed to really focus on those two things and it didn't work out well. FWIW I don't have an opinion on the offensive coordinator, I trust he his doing the best he can with the players he's got.

I thought the objective was to win games. :?: Winning yardage and TOP isn't always pretty, but winning games is.

Yup. I’ll take an ugly win over a pretty loss any day of the week.