Tokyo, would you please post your home address so we could all come over to discuss this matter?
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Get Rid of Engstrom!
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Tokyogriz
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Royce Engstroms info is in public space. Royce has his resume posted online.
https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:5f2FyFqBmhIJ:www.umt.edu/president/docs/R%2520%2520Engstrom_CV%2520engdoc008.pdf+royce+engstrom&hl=en&gl=us&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESjXUkPvh0ez3rip4z2do_kRTgWwFrZZeIClXRDG8CcVgOOUAY4WulD9ZQdGWa2gbIDw_H7CUO1-FvOCqvMu8Ti7U24viurnBuvL8aq4FFAu44iegiisKlmht9do9T0ctj_T97gL&sig=AHIEtbQbvEriooPKD9-A7-HW5hX7i0mCuw" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
If you can find my address online and want to come over to discuss things feel free. Kids nap in afternoon though thanks.
Again I do recommend sending state senators and reps requests for Engstrom to be honest and forthright in this firing and tell us the people of Montana and alumns of Um why this has been done.
https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:5f2FyFqBmhIJ:www.umt.edu/president/docs/R%2520%2520Engstrom_CV%2520engdoc008.pdf+royce+engstrom&hl=en&gl=us&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESjXUkPvh0ez3rip4z2do_kRTgWwFrZZeIClXRDG8CcVgOOUAY4WulD9ZQdGWa2gbIDw_H7CUO1-FvOCqvMu8Ti7U24viurnBuvL8aq4FFAu44iegiisKlmht9do9T0ctj_T97gL&sig=AHIEtbQbvEriooPKD9-A7-HW5hX7i0mCuw" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
If you can find my address online and want to come over to discuss things feel free. Kids nap in afternoon though thanks.
Again I do recommend sending state senators and reps requests for Engstrom to be honest and forthright in this firing and tell us the people of Montana and alumns of Um why this has been done.
Montanan
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Tokyogriz said:
do you honestly believe those "WANKERS" truly want to get involved in this shit storm, in an election year?
President Engstrom needs to accept some responsibility for this situation, after all, he was Provost from '07-'10 and has been President since '10. just seems he's had ample time to institute changes that could have possibly prevented this situation(s). (first and last post on this subject!)
GO GRIZ!
Let me see if I can help you out.
Engstrom fired Pflugrad and O'Day because he did not feel like they exercised sufficient leadership in dealing with the problems that plagued the football program.
That's it. Right or wrong, that's the explanation.
Why didn't Engstrom make a detailed public explanation? Because he had just fired these two gentlemen, and did not want to rub salt into the wound. He knew a detailed explanation of what he perceived as their leadership deficit would reflect badly on them, and he wanted to let them save face. That's why.
Engstrom fired Pflugrad and O'Day because he did not feel like they exercised sufficient leadership in dealing with the problems that plagued the football program.
That's it. Right or wrong, that's the explanation.
Why didn't Engstrom make a detailed public explanation? Because he had just fired these two gentlemen, and did not want to rub salt into the wound. He knew a detailed explanation of what he perceived as their leadership deficit would reflect badly on them, and he wanted to let them save face. That's why.
NorthwestFresh
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Tokyogriz said:
Did you ever get the cop fired that you were smearing on this board for Tazing our lovable football players? You were putting out his "public information" as well, I assume so somebody in Missoula could harass him. Thankfully, you're an ocean away, and you have to beg people for donations to even visit Missoula.
Get a grip...
Tokyogriz said:
What information do you have that suggests that Engstrom WRONGFULLY fired Pflu and O'Day?
Tokyogriz
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grizindabox said:
What info do you have to say he didnt wrongfully fire these men? Real info not your opinion.
You have none because NO REASON has been given by Royce Engstrom for the immediate firing of Pflu and Oday.
Thats the issue and public pressure can force this issue. Royce is accountable to the people of Montana and UM students,alumns for his actions.
Tokyo, I never stated that did or did not have info, but you seem to be pretty adamant that it was wrongful termination. If you know this is the case, then please share with everyone, if not, you should just drop the "Wrongful" argument, before you prove yourself to be more of an idiot that everyone already realizes....if that is possible. You need to chill for a minute and actually reflect on what is going on, and what has gone on.
Grizmayor
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+2 Like I posted before, Engstrom has followed the book. University lawyers/advisors have told him just that. If the "reasons" are to become public, it's on O'Day and Pflu to make them so... at their own risk. Let's see where Cliff and Milt go with this first.AllWeatherFan said:
UMGriz75
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Engstrom's "leadership" example was to go out of his way to warn a violent, serial offender well in advance, so there was plenty of time to buy a plane ticket; then he tried to justify it as the "right thing to do." As that s*** hit the fan over that, he tried to distract from the fiasco by his other "leadership example" by sending a nasty letter to the Forestry Dean about the Forester's Ball where nothing had happened. Priorities?AllWeatherFan said:
What we are not reading is that he is meeting with staff and taking proactive measures. He's not doing what good managers do. He's doing stupid things, getting bad PR, and he lashes back by firing off incoherent letters to a Dean that he can release to the Missoulian, and when that doesn't work, goes off firing good people to divert attention. These are all PR moves to save his bacon; instead of creating a team atmosphere to solve the problems, he's tearing his staff and the campus community apart by these clearly calculated PR moves designed to cover his own serious gaffes.
Over-reacting to cover his butt overemphasizes the problems; it creates huge problems for the UM that are in many ways undeserved. But that's a calculated strategy.
Engstrom is part of the "leadership" and he has been coming apart at the seams over the Saudi (and related) problems that had nothing to do with athletics. Acknowledged serious, violent serial rape crimes were in fact likely committed and Engstrom not only kept the silence, he protected the offender and practically bought the guy a plane ticket to AVOID "solving the problem." That was on his watch. He even publicly patted himself on the back.
In contrast, questionable allegations are raised, none proved, regarding non-university activities in people's private lives and suddenly he's the Big Man to make good people walk the plank, while a genuine criminal who viciously assaulted and raped UM students is having a good time walking around as a free man back on the streets of Riyadh, courtesy of Royce Engstrom.
There is a complete lack of moral compass in that man. It is not "leadership."
75....harsh comments from someone not having all of the facts. Engstrom made a decision, more than likely, with the approval of his management. Let's see how this plays out as more details are revealed over the next few months. In the meantime, we beat state once again and make the play-offs. Business as usual....
UMGriz75 said:
Just to be clear, I am not defending his decision. I am only explaining it to the folks who seem bewildered by it. I don't like it, either.
The problem for people who sign an employment contract is that, once the contract expires, your employer doesn't need a good reason not to renew it. Sure, you can't illegally discriminate against or defame somebody, but you don't have to renew a contract. And yes, maybe there's a legitimate question about whether Robin's contract had been verbally renewed. If it had, perhaps the University is liable paying the salary for the term of the new contract. But if the contract allows termination for cause, maybe not. I don't know, I've never read the contract. And I don't know if there is a contract.
So, what do you do? Write letters to the editor or the Board of Regents? Withhold donations? Complain to your dog? Hey, knock yourselves out. But this decision is not gonna change.
We'll see.
Tokyogriz said:
I believe you are incorrect, as I seem to recall that the contracts are based on the academic year and not the calender year.
