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Gerald Kemp

tnt said:
That's right if there are these kinds of suspensions the school takes a pretty good hit as opposed to isolated cases. I keep forgetting you have Aspebergers and consequently have no right brain function. I apologize for not being more sensitive to your disabilities. I'll try to remember to speak to you the way we speak to the 13 year old spectrum foster kid we have. Between her aspbergers and passive aggresive nature, she is about as socially adept as you and able to communicate as well.

Its sad that you miss the greater point that our academic center is not a luxury, but rather a necessity if our programs are to remain successful. Were it functioning, Kemp taking an incomplete (which happens at the last moment) may have been avoided, or at least seen coming. Clearing it may not have the effect you think.

Actually, it looks like its your senility again that causes you not to be able to write clearly and to not know the difference between phrases like "takes" and "can take". The first means it impacts the APR. The second one means something different.

The Kemp matter appears to have nothing to do with having a nice new physical academic center. If you believe the above posts, it looks like the compliance office missed this issue. The compliance office exists, is staffed and has an office.
 
PlayerRep said:
tnt said:
That's right if there are these kinds of suspensions the school takes a pretty good hit as opposed to isolated cases. I keep forgetting you have Aspebergers and consequently have no right brain function. I apologize for not being more sensitive to your disabilities. I'll try to remember to speak to you the way we speak to the 13 year old spectrum foster kid we have. Between her aspbergers and passive aggresive nature, she is about as socially adept as you and able to communicate as well.

Its sad that you miss the greater point that our academic center is not a luxury, but rather a necessity if our programs are to remain successful. Were it functioning, Kemp taking an incomplete (which happens at the last moment) may have been avoided, or at least seen coming. Clearing it may not have the effect you think.

Actually, it looks like its your senility again that causes you not to be able to write clearly and to not know the difference between phrases like "takes" and "can take". The first means it impacts the APR. The second one means something different.

The Kemp matter appears to have nothing to do with having a nice new physical academic center. If you believe the above posts, it looks like the compliance office missed this issue. The compliance office exists, is staffed and has an office.

I'm not sure that it would be the compliance officers job to help a student keep up so he doesn't need to take an incomplete or to advise him that doing so and not clearing it as soon as possible can have a bad effect. It would be to train the athletic academic advisers however. The role of an academic center is beyond facility. We are woefully understaffed in that area. But a decent facility with a formal program and staffing would help.
 
grizindabox said:
why does every thread that tnt posts turn to $hit? :coffee:

You are right, I shoulda seen it coming. The NCAA passed a rule 2 years ago for the sole purpose of benching a 3rd string Griz reciever for a week. Its all a plot against the University of Montana. There are in fact People all over the country a part of the plot.
 
hoopmaster111 said:
Let me see if this makes sense...a kid received notice from the Dean's office at the university where he attends as a student-athlete that states he has enough credits to participate in the Graduation Ceremony. He participates in that Ceremony, registers in the fall and is on track to complete the few remaining credits needed to receive the diploma at the end of the semester. But receives notice from the Compliance Officer just before fall class begins letting him know although you are on track to finish we are going to suspend you four games because according to a NEW NCAA rule made retroactive to December 31, 2011 you were one credit shy of the new requirements. Isn't the rule made to keep kids in school? Isn't this what Kemp has done, stayed in school? So, now he has to sit out four games? WTF!!!

As the Compliance Officer, it was Gee's responsibility to know the rule and how it affects the athletes in her department. That's what NCAA Compliance Officers are paid to do and it is not unheard of for a Compliance Officer to be fired over something like this at some of the bigger institutions. What a concept - firing someone for Not doing their job?! Perhaps it's that Kemp doesn't fall under one of the players she claims to "care" so deeply about as this was definitely something that could have been corrected sooner that this fall.

In any case, Kemp has already done the work he needed to do to become compliant in accordance with that rule. Once you become compliant the NCAA has a 10 day waiting period. If he was being held out of games because of academics and because of this rule, he should be good to go as of the Liberty game. If they hold him out of any additional games it is because Gee (or the UM President or other empowered administrators- not sure if she's calling the shots or if she is just a puppet here) decide to hold Kemp out.

IMHO, if the reason Kemp is held out of games has to do with the program or the school being under investigation by the NCAA, DOE, and DOJ then it would appear that he is being singled out and possibly being used as a scapegoat for whatever the administrators fear might be discovered by the investigators as there have not been any NCAA suspensions levied against this kid. In any case, not saying people don't make mistakes, student-athletes don't make mistakes... but way to support your student-athletes who stay in school, graduate and generally try to do the right thing!

Good post. Given the athlete involved is on track to graduate, wouldn't it have made more sense to suspend the compliance person?
 
tnt, it has absolutely nothing to do with the thread topic...you just seem to have the touch to turn every thread you post into a dick measuring contest...one that is very unimpressive and no one is worthy of victory
 
grizindabox said:
tnt, it has absolutely nothing to do with the thread topic...you just seem to have the touch to turn every thread you post into a dick measuring contest...one that is very unimpressive and no one is worthy of victory

What, that this situation is just the tip of the iceberg? Ghee is woefully inadequate for the job? That compliance is a growing issue with both success (GPA) and progress (credits) on the rise? Or that we need to get our academic center done and operating and staffed with competent people who will stay on top of things. I'd say it has everything to do with the topic.
 
I was an academic advisor at the college level for five years.

First, there was a reason why all the athletes were put into one advising department and outside the general population. The academic rules applying to students receiving NCAA scholarships are and have a whole section of code that doesn't apply to the general population.

There are things like sliding GPA scales, major declarations and credit accumulation that the NCAA requires that no student in the general population can or would be held to. If you want to take 3 credits a semester for 15 years to graduate, then you can. College athletes are given a five year window to graduate, manitain a higher minimum GPA than the general population.

That being said as we were required to communicate to each and every one of our advisees, that they and only they were responsible for the course and path their education took. They needed to know what the needed to graduate because they needed to be in control of their ship. I could give 'advice' but in the long run I just gave those students informed information as to what the best path was.

The problem with adding another level of bureaucracy is that the people who or should have the control, the student, the player lose more and more control when you add more and more moving parts. Truly, the fault rests with Gerald for not knowing what he needed to do. You can't fault him in a way, because he takes what is given to him as the gospel truth. You need to put trust in people to navigate your way throught morass of NCAA code and Gerald could couldn't be expected to do that on his own.

In the end, crap moves and flows down hill. Gerald is paying a fine for an oversight that a lot of people missed on. Is it fair? Not sure, sure doesn't seem like it, but rather an indication of a whole slew of other issues inside and outside the Athletic Departments at the UofM, MSU and elsewhere. Punishing the student athletes in a way that reflects a mistake than a willful ignorance of a rule.
 
tnt said:
grizindabox said:
tnt, it has absolutely nothing to do with the thread topic...you just seem to have the touch to turn every thread you post into a dick measuring contest...one that is very unimpressive and no one is worthy of victory

What, that this situation is just the tip of the iceberg? Ghee is woefully inadequate for the job? That compliance is a growing issue with both success (GPA) and progress (credits) on the rise? Or that we need to get our academic center done and operating and staffed with competent people who will stay on top of things. I'd say it has everything to do with the topic.

I did not say that your posts have nothing to do with the thread topic, but I did say that no matter the thread topic, when you post the thread seems to turn to poo. I am also not saying it is necessarily you, but you attract some interesting folks also.
 
dupuyer griz said:
PTGrizzly said:
dupuyer griz said:
tnt said:
I guess the NCAA thinks student athletes should actually be students too.... I suppose they had to have some definition of how many credits it took.
I think if the NCAA really gave a crap about players being students they would punish schools for basketball players going one and done. Kemp has enough credits to graduate and he gets hit with this crap but Duke and Kansas roll through 5 freshmen everyyear to the next level and it's no big deal.

I believe you mean Kentucky. Duke rarely ever has one and dones, Kyrie Irving and Austin Rivers are the only recent ones I can think of.
Sure, I hope no one confused me with someone who could give a crap about basketball. I'm a wrestling coach and the only basketball I get is what is on when the tv comes on before I almost break the remote trying to get the tv away from anything to do with basketball.

All those words say is "I was wrong and I'm trying to come up with excuses for why."
 
The point of my last post was oversight, or compliance. Apparently, no one, other than the athlete, is responsible to ensure NCAA compliance. Amazing.
 
tourist said:
The point of my last post was oversight, or compliance. Apparently, no one, other than the athlete, is responsible to ensure NCAA compliance. Amazing.

Hard to find time to do that when you are emailing your boyfriend the inside scoop.......

By the same token if an athlete drops a class or takes an incomplete, one would think they would check it out to see if it has an effect.
 
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