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Gerald Kemp
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rbprospector
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J"BS" why should we believe you? You don't know Gerald. And, he doesn't associate with the likes of you. If you look in the mirror, you'll find the phony.JBS said:
Sure, I hope no one confused me with someone who could give a crap about basketball. I'm a wrestling coach and the only basketball I get is what is on when the tv comes on before I almost break the remote trying to get the tv away from anything to do with basketball.PTGrizzly said:
PlayerRep said:
Actually the idiot are those who didn't bother reading the rule. Its been around for years. they increased the number of credits that must be taken during the SEASON from 6 to 9, they drop the suspension from 4 weeks to 2 if 27 credits are completed. I don't know anything about Kemp's situation or who was advising him but having not taken any credits in the summer, he could have taken a full load in spring and possibly been okay.
FWIW the rule is to keep students for signing up for a full time class load (generally required to maintain a scholy) and then dropping a bunch of classes during the season. The school takes a pretty good hit if there are these kind of suspensions. if the kid is completing fewer than 27 credits from on season to another it is dropping the APR. This matter was discussed if you recall in a series of emails last winter.
Fume and fuss all you want, but the NCAA expects that the kids are students first and athletes second. If academic progress is not made by both the teams and the students there will be consequences. I din't make the rul, defend the rule, or knock anyone. I simply pointed out to anyone wondering why Kemp is not even dressed out, why.
Its also one more reason WHY the academic center needs completed. Th increased level of monitoring by academic advisors will increase. Its now VERY hard to drop a class when in trouble.
tnt said:
The 9-credit rule is new, and being applied for the first time this fall.
What do you mean by this statement? "The school takes a pretty good hit if there are these kind of suspensions."
Kemp will be done with his undergraduate degree when he earns minimal credits this fall. I'm guessing he's a pretty good student who took plenty of courses if he came within a few credits of completing his undergraduate studies in four years.
Grisly Fan
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PR - do you actually expect tnt post accurate information? Sheesh, you are starting to lose it. Kemp's case confuses me. Here's the rule:
9 HOUR RULE (Football Only)
The student-athlete must successfully complete 9 semester hours of academic credit in each full semester. Additionally, the student-athlete must earn the Academic Progress Rate eligibility point, which means being eligible after the fall semester. If the two points are not met, the student athlete shall not be eligible to compete in the first 4 games in the following playing season.
So does this mean he is being punished for last year? If so then the rule actually went into effect in 2011 (year not "years" ago) and this year is the first year of penalties. Have I got that right?
9 HOUR RULE (Football Only)
The student-athlete must successfully complete 9 semester hours of academic credit in each full semester. Additionally, the student-athlete must earn the Academic Progress Rate eligibility point, which means being eligible after the fall semester. If the two points are not met, the student athlete shall not be eligible to compete in the first 4 games in the following playing season.
So does this mean he is being punished for last year? If so then the rule actually went into effect in 2011 (year not "years" ago) and this year is the first year of penalties. Have I got that right?
PR, once again you are dodging the point. I wasn''t commenting on Kemp, just the rule. If its a two week suspension the student completed 27 credits (still less than a full load) If its a 4 week suspension it less than 27 credits (much less than full time) Either situation effects a schools APR. The number of "points" have increased there as well, along with the penalties for not meeting the goals.
The requirements for monitoring these kids have gone up. NOW in order to meet the credit requirements, a kid can't drop a course he is struggling with for fear of violating the 9 credit rule. if he stays in the course and gets a "D" or worse, he can fail at the 2.0 benchmark and be totally ineligible.
We can talk facilities all we want, but until we get our academic center put together and completed as well as STAFFED, our entire program can be in some serious jeopardy.
As far as Kemp goes, how is the NCAA to know he is a good student who is merely trying to stretch out his athletic eligibility, college experience and taking advantage scholarship as long as he can as opposed to someone who isn't making it academically??? Apparently there is no appeal mechanism or it failed. We don't know.
Grisly Fan, The 9 credits went into effect in 2011, it was 6 credits before. Completing 27 credits before the next season drops it to a 2 game suspension unless of course acceptable academic progress was not made and then the whole season is gone. I agree its a mess. The worst part is we are now going to see some pretty poor excuses of "majors" for kids who could have done better with more support ,just to keep them eligible.
The requirements for monitoring these kids have gone up. NOW in order to meet the credit requirements, a kid can't drop a course he is struggling with for fear of violating the 9 credit rule. if he stays in the course and gets a "D" or worse, he can fail at the 2.0 benchmark and be totally ineligible.
We can talk facilities all we want, but until we get our academic center put together and completed as well as STAFFED, our entire program can be in some serious jeopardy.
As far as Kemp goes, how is the NCAA to know he is a good student who is merely trying to stretch out his athletic eligibility, college experience and taking advantage scholarship as long as he can as opposed to someone who isn't making it academically??? Apparently there is no appeal mechanism or it failed. We don't know.
Grisly Fan, The 9 credits went into effect in 2011, it was 6 credits before. Completing 27 credits before the next season drops it to a 2 game suspension unless of course acceptable academic progress was not made and then the whole season is gone. I agree its a mess. The worst part is we are now going to see some pretty poor excuses of "majors" for kids who could have done better with more support ,just to keep them eligible.
tnt said:
I know what the rule says. I believe you are incorrect in saying that running afoul of the 9-credit rule impacts APR. I believe APR is something separate. If you have specific citations to the contrary, please furnish it. I'd like to know the definitive answer.
Grisly Fan said:
Keeping in mind that I'm no expert on this rule and don't know the particulars of Kemp's situation, interesting on the two-prong aspect that you point. Because Kemp has almost graduated, it would seem that he has to be fine with APR progression. Yes, the rule was instituted as of last fall, so this is the first fall that it has come into play. I heard Kemp had an incomplete that he has now finished, so now he just needs final clearance. Then, I assume he'll be good to go.
I said it CAN run a foul of the APR. The guys getting 2 week suspensions may or may not effect it. Depending on WHY they made fewer credits. The guys getting 4 week suspensions can also effect it (depending on what the rest of the team does) these guys are completing less than 34 credits per yer year. When the min GPA goes up to 2.3 (along with increased apr) it can really go to hell.
tnt said:
No, you didn't say a violation of the 9-credit rule "can" impact APR. You said the school "takes" a hit if there are these type of suspensions. What you said is quoted below. No big deal. I assumed your initial statement was incorrect anyway, but had just wanted to verify that.
"The school takes a pretty good hit if there are these kind of suspensions."
rbprospector
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Sorry JBS, insulting one of Gerald supporters was one of the last things I wanted to do.JBS said:
That's right if there are these kinds of suspensions the school takes a pretty good hit as opposed to isolated cases. I keep forgetting you have Aspebergers and consequently have no right brain function. I apologize for not being more sensitive to your disabilities. I'll try to remember to speak to you the way we speak to the 13 year old spectrum foster kid we have. Between her aspbergers and passive aggresive nature, she is about as socially adept as you and able to communicate as well.
Its sad that you miss the greater point that our academic center is not a luxury, but rather a necessity if our programs are to remain successful. Were it functioning, Kemp taking an incomplete (which happens at the last moment) may have been avoided, or at least seen coming. Clearing it may not have the effect you think.
Its sad that you miss the greater point that our academic center is not a luxury, but rather a necessity if our programs are to remain successful. Were it functioning, Kemp taking an incomplete (which happens at the last moment) may have been avoided, or at least seen coming. Clearing it may not have the effect you think.
hoopmaster111
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Let me see if this makes sense...a kid received notice from the Dean's office at the university where he attends as a student-athlete that states he has enough credits to participate in the Graduation Ceremony. He participates in that Ceremony, registers in the fall and is on track to complete the few remaining credits needed to receive the diploma at the end of the semester. But receives notice from the Compliance Officer just before fall class begins letting him know although you are on track to finish we are going to suspend you four games because according to a NEW NCAA rule made retroactive to December 31, 2011 you were one credit shy of the new requirements. Isn't the rule made to keep kids in school? Isn't this what Kemp has done, stayed in school? So, now he has to sit out four games? WTF!!!
As the Compliance Officer, it was Gee's responsibility to know the rule and how it affects the athletes in her department. That's what NCAA Compliance Officers are paid to do and it is not unheard of for a Compliance Officer to be fired over something like this at some of the bigger institutions. What a concept - firing someone for Not doing their job?! Perhaps it's that Kemp doesn't fall under one of the players she claims to "care" so deeply about as this was definitely something that could have been corrected sooner that this fall.
In any case, Kemp has already done the work he needed to do to become compliant in accordance with that rule. Once you become compliant the NCAA has a 10 day waiting period. If he was being held out of games because of academics and because of this rule, he should be good to go as of the Liberty game. If they hold him out of any additional games it is because Gee (or the UM President or other empowered administrators- not sure if she's calling the shots or if she is just a puppet here) decide to hold Kemp out.
IMHO, if the reason Kemp is held out of games has to do with the program or the school being under investigation by the NCAA, DOE, and DOJ then it would appear that he is being singled out and possibly being used as a scapegoat for whatever the administrators fear might be discovered by the investigators as there have not been any NCAA suspensions levied against this kid. In any case, not saying people don't make mistakes, student-athletes don't make mistakes... but way to support your student-athletes who stay in school, graduate and generally try to do the right thing!
As the Compliance Officer, it was Gee's responsibility to know the rule and how it affects the athletes in her department. That's what NCAA Compliance Officers are paid to do and it is not unheard of for a Compliance Officer to be fired over something like this at some of the bigger institutions. What a concept - firing someone for Not doing their job?! Perhaps it's that Kemp doesn't fall under one of the players she claims to "care" so deeply about as this was definitely something that could have been corrected sooner that this fall.
In any case, Kemp has already done the work he needed to do to become compliant in accordance with that rule. Once you become compliant the NCAA has a 10 day waiting period. If he was being held out of games because of academics and because of this rule, he should be good to go as of the Liberty game. If they hold him out of any additional games it is because Gee (or the UM President or other empowered administrators- not sure if she's calling the shots or if she is just a puppet here) decide to hold Kemp out.
IMHO, if the reason Kemp is held out of games has to do with the program or the school being under investigation by the NCAA, DOE, and DOJ then it would appear that he is being singled out and possibly being used as a scapegoat for whatever the administrators fear might be discovered by the investigators as there have not been any NCAA suspensions levied against this kid. In any case, not saying people don't make mistakes, student-athletes don't make mistakes... but way to support your student-athletes who stay in school, graduate and generally try to do the right thing!
That's exactly right, Hoopmaster. Its not the rules fault, and hopefully there aren't other reasons. And hopefully we can ALL get on board and get this Academic center done and functioning.
And I will repeat what I said earlier. For some reason Ghee seems to have it in for this kid......
And I will repeat what I said earlier. For some reason Ghee seems to have it in for this kid......
