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[PlayerRep]

I believe a grey shirt can't be a full-time student. That might be something like 8 credits or less. Note that if the 5-year clock starts ticking in the spring of frosh year, the player will be able to have 5 spring balls instead of the normal 4 (in 5 years).

Another way to be able to play 4 years in more than 5 years, is to have a church-related mission (LDS for example) or be in the military, or apply under the same/similar provision like Wilson did.

What's a blue shirt?

Swing and a miss again there Chief;

A grey shit delays enrolling until after the season is complete, (Winter Session), this gives him one additional spring practice season before playing if using his first year as a redshirt year and also delays the use of the scholarship for half a year. Often done because the school has no scholarships available during fall session.

A greenshirt is one that enrolls early, having completed HS requirements early the student enrolls in winter session during what would be thought of as his HS senior year, Brock Oswieler(sp) did this

Nope, I'm right, and your are wrong. Many grey shirts enroll part-time in the fall. See below.

"Here is how grey-shirting works:

A player commits to a team that is over-signed.
That player either doesn't go to school in the fall, or enrolls part-time and pays their own way. They are not officially on the team.

In January of the following year, that player enrolls full-time and officially joins the team. They are technically part of the recruiting class for the following year.

Grey-shirting is a way for schools to skate around the recruiting rules. It allows schools to over-sign, regardless of how many prospects they signed the previous year.

Every player has a five year window to play four seasons. That window starts the second a player is enrolled in college full-time or are on scholarship. Since the player is not enrolled full time and is not on scholarship, their "NCAA clock" has not started.

Once they join a team, they still have the full five year window and the ability to red-shirt if they so choose.

While grey-shirting, players are not on the team.

They can not practice or condition with the team. They can not be given any advantage not extended to the normal student body. Grey-shirts are not allowed at team meetings or functions either. For all intents they are essentially, regular students."

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/117418-college-football-recruiting-for-beginners-part-iii-oversigning-and-greyshirts" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The statement enlarged above is false, a grey shirt must enroll and take the required credits to be on the team and get scholarship, until they actually enroll full time they are not considered a grey shirt but are considered a recruit. yes a recruit can delay enrollment status by paying their own way and remaining a part time student but your statement did not indicate that.

Greyshirt players are on the team, recruits are not

What you said is not accurate. The player can enroll part-time in the fall or wait and enroll full-time in the spring. A large number of grey shirts enroll in the fall, part-time, and then get their schollies in January. Once you're on the team, you're on the team (and are not a greyshirt). The bleacher report summary is correct.

 

[PlayerRep]

PR uses bleacherreport.com as a reference....

:lol: :lol:

Another good point, I didn't even read his link because of that :thumb:

Check out the below quoted, and the read the last line.

"Grayshirting is defined by the NCAA as follows:

“Grayshirting is a term used in the recruiting process to describe situations in which a student-athlete delays initial enrollment in a collegiate institution to the winter or spring term after the traditional academic year begins.

Students who “grayshirt” often use the fall to take classes part time or choose not to enroll in college at all.”

http://www.rantsports.com/blog/2011/02/03/grayshirting-college-footballs-shadiest-practice/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

 

[CV Griz Fan]

Nope, I'm right, and your are wrong. Many grey shirts enroll part-time in the fall. See below.

"Here is how grey-shirting works:

A player commits to a team that is over-signed.
That player either doesn't go to school in the fall, or enrolls part-time and pays their own way. They are not officially on the team.

In January of the following year, that player enrolls full-time and officially joins the team. They are technically part of the recruiting class for the following year.

Grey-shirting is a way for schools to skate around the recruiting rules. It allows schools to over-sign, regardless of how many prospects they signed the previous year.

Every player has a five year window to play four seasons. That window starts the second a player is enrolled in college full-time or are on scholarship. Since the player is not enrolled full time and is not on scholarship, their "NCAA clock" has not started.

Once they join a team, they still have the full five year window and the ability to red-shirt if they so choose.

While grey-shirting, players are not on the team.

They can not practice or condition with the team. They can not be given any advantage not extended to the normal student body. Grey-shirts are not allowed at team meetings or functions either. For all intents they are essentially, regular students."

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/117418-college-football-recruiting-for-beginners-part-iii-oversigning-and-greyshirts" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The statement enlarged above is false, a grey shirt must enroll and take the required credits to be on the team and get scholarship, until they actually enroll full time they are not considered a grey shirt but are considered a recruit. yes a recruit can delay enrollment status by paying their own way and remaining a part time student but your statement did not indicate that.

Greyshirt players are on the team, recruits are not

I believe PR is more correct in this instance. Many grey shirts do enroll part time. They are not on the team yet so their "clock" is not ticking. Since they are not on the team, grey shirts can take units as they wish. Once the the player is on the roster, their clock starts and they're subject to NCAA guidelines. Remember, the term is used to describe a "delayed" eligibility clock situation. Since the grey shirt is on campus and enrolled, how can he be still considered a recruit? Maybe it's "hair splitting" but that's how I interpret the wording.

so anyone enrolled as a part time student could claim that he is a greyshirt, that is what you and pr are saying.

a player does not get greyshirt (or any athletic status) until they are enrolled as full time students. How could someone not a member of the team be given any status.

Yes. A grey shirt player is not a member of the team. In fact, he may never be a member of the team. He is a guy choosing to stay "close" to a program that he wants to " potentially" have a chance to play for. So much so that he attends the University on his own dime hoping for a chance to make the team. Think of it as a potential "walk on" candidate that is trying to make up his mind about going out for the team. When he decides to attend practice and he gets a look from the coaches and he ends up making the team, then his eligibility clock starts. Really, it's not that significant in the overall picture of the team's roster make up.
Grey shirts, preferred walk-ons,walk ons and blue shirts are all just "fringe" players looking for the best opportunity to hopefully make a college roster all in an attempt to get a scholarship. These players are definitely choosing a more difficult path to their goal. I am sorry for beating a "dead horse".

 

[Umista]

"Know it all" cat fan 2506 is a blue shirt!

What is amazing is the fact he is NOT wanted on the maroon board.

Shirts anyone?

 

[GrizMusician]

OK, thanks all. Everything is as clear as mud!
Red shirt
Med redshirt
Grey shirt
BLUE SHIRT?
GREEN SHIRT?

WTF?

CV GRIZ FAN had me understanding but now? I'm right back where I started, still confused...

What was Jimmy Wison's eligibility? I mean, what kind/color of shirt fit his issue

bright orange shirt :thumb:

or maybe black and white stripes :lol:

You beat me to it. :lol:

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[GrizMusician]

PR uses bleacherreport.com as a reference....

:lol: :lol:

This. :roll:

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[Cats2506]

Swing and a miss again there Chief;

A grey shit delays enrolling until after the season is complete, (Winter Session), this gives him one additional spring practice season before playing if using his first year as a redshirt year and also delays the use of the scholarship for half a year. Often done because the school has no scholarships available during fall session.

A greenshirt is one that enrolls early, having completed HS requirements early the student enrolls in winter session during what would be thought of as his HS senior year, Brock Oswieler(sp) did this

Nope, I'm right, and your are wrong. Many grey shirts enroll part-time in the fall. See below.

"Here is how grey-shirting works:

A player commits to a team that is over-signed.
That player either doesn't go to school in the fall, or enrolls part-time and pays their own way. They are not officially on the team.

In January of the following year, that player enrolls full-time and officially joins the team. They are technically part of the recruiting class for the following year.

Grey-shirting is a way for schools to skate around the recruiting rules. It allows schools to over-sign, regardless of how many prospects they signed the previous year.

Every player has a five year window to play four seasons. That window starts the second a player is enrolled in college full-time or are on scholarship. Since the player is not enrolled full time and is not on scholarship, their "NCAA clock" has not started.

Once they join a team, they still have the full five year window and the ability to red-shirt if they so choose.

While grey-shirting, players are not on the team.

They can not practice or condition with the team. They can not be given any advantage not extended to the normal student body. Grey-shirts are not allowed at team meetings or functions either. For all intents they are essentially, regular students."

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/117418-college-football-recruiting-for-beginners-part-iii-oversigning-and-greyshirts" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The statement enlarged above is false, a grey shirt must enroll and take the required credits to be on the team and get scholarship, until they actually enroll full time they are not considered a grey shirt but are considered a recruit. yes a recruit can delay enrollment status by paying their own way and remaining a part time student but your statement did not indicate that.

Greyshirt players are on the team, recruits are not

What you said is not accurate. The player can enroll part-time in the fall or wait and enroll full-time in the spring. A large number of grey shirts enroll in the fall, part-time, and then get their schollies in January. Once you're on the team, you're on the team (and are not a greyshirt). The bleacher report summary is correct.

A part time student CANNOT be a PLAYER he is nothing more than a STUDENT at that point, and has no standing with the athletic department other than possibly a letter of intent. He becomes a grey shirt when he enrolls full time winter session and becomes a member of the team and signs a financial aid agreement with the athletic department.

 

[catsack]

Nope, I'm right, and your are wrong. Many grey shirts enroll part-time in the fall. See below.

"Here is how grey-shirting works:

A player commits to a team that is over-signed.
That player either doesn't go to school in the fall, or enrolls part-time and pays their own way. They are not officially on the team.

In January of the following year, that player enrolls full-time and officially joins the team. They are technically part of the recruiting class for the following year.

Grey-shirting is a way for schools to skate around the recruiting rules. It allows schools to over-sign, regardless of how many prospects they signed the previous year.

Every player has a five year window to play four seasons. That window starts the second a player is enrolled in college full-time or are on scholarship. Since the player is not enrolled full time and is not on scholarship, their "NCAA clock" has not started.

Once they join a team, they still have the full five year window and the ability to red-shirt if they so choose.

While grey-shirting, players are not on the team.

They can not practice or condition with the team. They can not be given any advantage not extended to the normal student body. Grey-shirts are not allowed at team meetings or functions either. For all intents they are essentially, regular students."

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/117418-college-football-recruiting-for-beginners-part-iii-oversigning-and-greyshirts" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The statement enlarged above is false, a grey shirt must enroll and take the required credits to be on the team and get scholarship, until they actually enroll full time they are not considered a grey shirt but are considered a recruit. yes a recruit can delay enrollment status by paying their own way and remaining a part time student but your statement did not indicate that.

Greyshirt players are on the team, recruits are not

What you said is not accurate. The player can enroll part-time in the fall or wait and enroll full-time in the spring. A large number of grey shirts enroll in the fall, part-time, and then get their schollies in January. Once you're on the team, you're on the team (and are not a greyshirt). The bleacher report summary is correct.

A part time student CANNOT be a PLAYER he is nothing more than a STUDENT at that point, and has no standing with the athletic department other than possibly a letter of intent. He becomes a grey shirt when he enrolls full time winter session and becomes a member of the team and signs a financial aid agreement with the athletic department.

No that would be a red shirt , grey shirts can't be any part of the team! Tough one to figure out for you scat fans!

 

[Cats2506]

The statement enlarged above is false, a grey shirt must enroll and take the required credits to be on the team and get scholarship, until they actually enroll full time they are not considered a grey shirt but are considered a recruit. yes a recruit can delay enrollment status by paying their own way and remaining a part time student but your statement did not indicate that.

Greyshirt players are on the team, recruits are not

What you said is not accurate. The player can enroll part-time in the fall or wait and enroll full-time in the spring. A large number of grey shirts enroll in the fall, part-time, and then get their schollies in January. Once you're on the team, you're on the team (and are not a greyshirt). The bleacher report summary is correct.

A part time student CANNOT be a PLAYER he is nothing more than a STUDENT at that point, and has no standing with the athletic department other than possibly a letter of intent. He becomes a grey shirt when he enrolls full time winter session and becomes a member of the team and signs a financial aid agreement with the athletic department.

No that would be a red shirt , grey shirts can't be any part of the team! Tough one to figure out for you scat fans!

No, a redshirt enrolls a a full time student in the fall session and practices with the team during the fall season, the difference is a grey shirt enrolls as a full time student in the winter session and starts practice in the spring.

Many grey shirts DO NOT enroll as part time students in the fall yet are still designated grey shirts, enrolling in the fall as a part time student in the fall session is an option and is not a determining factor of the grey shirt designation.

 

[CV Griz Fan]

What you said is not accurate. The player can enroll part-time in the fall or wait and enroll full-time in the spring. A large number of grey shirts enroll in the fall, part-time, and then get their schollies in January. Once you're on the team, you're on the team (and are not a greyshirt). The bleacher report summary is correct.

A part time student CANNOT be a PLAYER he is nothing more than a STUDENT at that point, and has no standing with the athletic department other than possibly a letter of intent. He becomes a grey shirt when he enrolls full time winter session and becomes a member of the team and signs a financial aid agreement with the athletic department.

No that would be a red shirt , grey shirts can't be any part of the team! Tough one to figure out for you scat fans!

No, a redshirt enrolls a a full time student in the fall session and practices with the team during the fall season, the difference is a grey shirt enrolls as a full time student in the winter session and starts practice in the spring.

Many grey shirts DO NOT enroll as part time students in the fall yet are still designated grey shirts, enrolling in the fall as a part time student in the fall session is an option and is not a determining factor of the grey shirt designation.

Yes, you finally have it correct. But remember, the "grey shirt" designation is only a term that deals with the potential player's "time line" or where he is in the process before is on the team. He is a "grey shirt" during the fall term in your example. When he is not on the team. He is not a "grey shirt" if he goes out for spring ball and makes the team. He becomes a walk-on at that point and his eligibility clock begins to tick. The "grey shirt" term defines the player basically from August to December in your example.

 

[Cats2506]

A part time student CANNOT be a PLAYER he is nothing more than a STUDENT at that point, and has no standing with the athletic department other than possibly a letter of intent. He becomes a grey shirt when he enrolls full time winter session and becomes a member of the team and signs a financial aid agreement with the athletic department.

No that would be a red shirt , grey shirts can't be any part of the team! Tough one to figure out for you scat fans!

No, a redshirt enrolls a a full time student in the fall session and practices with the team during the fall season, the difference is a grey shirt enrolls as a full time student in the winter session and starts practice in the spring.

Many grey shirts DO NOT enroll as part time students in the fall yet are still designated grey shirts, enrolling in the fall as a part time student in the fall session is an option and is not a determining factor of the grey shirt designation.

Yes, you finally have it correct. But remember, the "grey shirt" designation is only a term that deals with the potential player's "time line" or where he is in the process before is on the team. He is a "grey shirt" during the fall term in your example. When he is not on the team. He is not a "grey shirt" if he goes out for spring ball and makes the team. He becomes a walk-on at that point and his eligibility clock begins to tick. The "grey shirt" term defines the player basically from August to December in your example.

I have had it correct all along, and he is a grey shirt from when he enrolls in winter session, until the next fall session, at which time he becomes either a redshirt or a freshman based on weather he plays that fall or not. He would not be a walkon since greyshirts are scholarship players. during the time from signing his letter of intent until he enrolls full time (Feb to Dec) he is considered a recruit and has no other association with the team, weather he enrolls as a part time student or not. The only reason I can think of for a walkon to "greyshirt" would be if he needed to get additional credits to clear the NCAA requirements, if that was the case he would be called a "non-qualifier" rather than a "greyshirt".

 

[PlayerRep]

No that would be a red shirt , grey shirts can't be any part of the team! Tough one to figure out for you scat fans!

No, a redshirt enrolls a a full time student in the fall session and practices with the team during the fall season, the difference is a grey shirt enrolls as a full time student in the winter session and starts practice in the spring.

Many grey shirts DO NOT enroll as part time students in the fall yet are still designated grey shirts, enrolling in the fall as a part time student in the fall session is an option and is not a determining factor of the grey shirt designation.

Yes, you finally have it correct. But remember, the "grey shirt" designation is only a term that deals with the potential player's "time line" or where he is in the process before is on the team. He is a "grey shirt" during the fall term in your example. When he is not on the team. He is not a "grey shirt" if he goes out for spring ball and makes the team. He becomes a walk-on at that point and his eligibility clock begins to tick. The "grey shirt" term defines the player basically from August to December in your example.

I have had it correct all along, and he is a grey shirt from when he enrolls in winter session, until the next fall session, at which time he becomes either a redshirt or a freshman based on weather he plays that fall or not. He would not be a walkon since greyshirts are scholarship players. during the time from signing his letter of intent until he enrolls full time (Feb to Dec) he is considered a recruit and has no other association with the team, weather he enrolls as a part time student or not. The only reason I can think of for a walkon to "greyshirt" would be if he needed to get additional credits to clear the NCAA requirements, if that was the case he would be called a "non-qualifier" rather than a "greyshirt".

Nope, you have been wrong all along. You didn't know that a greyshirt can enroll in the school as a part-time student, and many do. You apparently don't realize that a greyshirt cannot be associated with the team, so if a recruit enrolls full-time in the spring and gets his schollie, he is really not a greyshirt any longer. Some people may refer to him as a greyshirt, but in reality he is no longer a greyshirt.

 

[PlayerRep]

A part time student CANNOT be a PLAYER he is nothing more than a STUDENT at that point, and has no standing with the athletic department other than possibly a letter of intent. He becomes a grey shirt when he enrolls full time winter session and becomes a member of the team and signs a financial aid agreement with the athletic department.

No that would be a red shirt , grey shirts can't be any part of the team! Tough one to figure out for you scat fans!

No, a redshirt enrolls a a full time student in the fall session and practices with the team during the fall season, the difference is a grey shirt enrolls as a full time student in the winter session and starts practice in the spring.

Many grey shirts DO NOT enroll as part time students in the fall yet are still designated grey shirts, enrolling in the fall as a part time student in the fall session is an option and is not a determining factor of the grey shirt designation.

Yes, you finally have it correct. But remember, the "grey shirt" designation is only a term that deals with the potential player's "time line" or where he is in the process before is on the team. He is a "grey shirt" during the fall term in your example. When he is not on the team. He is not a "grey shirt" if he goes out for spring ball and makes the team. He becomes a walk-on at that point and his eligibility clock begins to tick. The "grey shirt" term defines the player basically from August to December in your example.

Nope, I have been right all along. Everything I said was correct. By the way, usually the recruit gets his schollie in the spring. He doesn't walk on in the spring.

 

[IntuitiveGriz]

"Grayshirting is defined by the NCAA as follows:

“Grayshirting is a term used in the recruiting process to describe situations in which a student-athlete delays initial enrollment in a collegiate institution to the winter or spring term after the traditional academic year begins.

Students who “grayshirt” often use the fall to take classes part time or choose not to enroll in college at all.”

http://www.rantsports.com/blog/2011/02/03/grayshirting-college-footballs-shadiest-practice/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

:agree: PlayerRep is 100% correct.

The 2010 February signing day release listed 2010 high school graduating senior Derek Crittendon. He grey-shirted, and then also red-shirted the next year. Flash forward from the fall 2010 season to the up-coming 2013 season (4 football seasons including 2013) you'll find that he will play as a Soph, and not a Junior or the Senior that he could be. Justin Whitted also grey-shirted the same year as Crittendon, and will only be a Soph as well in the 2013 football season.

 

[IntuitiveGriz]

Here's an easy way to understand grey-shirting.

You are a high school football player and senior. A college wants you to play for them. But on signing day, the first Wed in every Feb, they run out of scholarship money before they can offer you any money. You think damn the bad luck! But not so fast my friend. The coach says, how about we grey-shirt you? You can still become a Grizzly. We don't want to lose you. You say absolutely, but how?

Well you just have to miss out on joining the team and getting the money this up-coming fall semester. You see when that semester is over, money will free-up and then we'll be able to give you your scholarship and you can join the team then as a full-time student. You can still go to school this fall, or not, but if you do it has to be on your dime and it has to be part-time. If you enroll this fall semester full-time, your 5-year eligibility clock will start and we don't want that to happen until the spring semester so you don't lose a football season.

 

[CV Griz Fan]

OK, thanks all. Everything is as clear as mud!
Red shirt
Med redshirt
Grey shirt
BLUE SHIRT?
GREEN SHIRT?

WTF?

CV GRIZ FAN had me understanding but now? I'm right back where I started, still confused...

What was Jimmy Wison's eligibility? I mean, what kind/color of shirt fit his issue

You just wait Reinell. We "armchair" NCAA compliance officers will be explaining NCAA transfer rules next week. If you think you're confused now, whew!

 

[cclarkblues]

Sounds like the geniuses are into "Fifty Shades of Gray".

 

[Geddes]

Sounds like the geniuses are into "Fifty Shades of Gray".

My question is who gets tied up? And what is their SAFETY word..