Future QB

[PlayerRep]

I think the passing game will come easier and the offense will start clicking when we can run the ball..

At Mines, Stitt wasn't much into running offenses; he's never coached to a running game. He had QB's that never ran the ball. Couldn't find any record, though, of anything like a -17 yd performance seen yesterday. He likes the pass. It's always been 3:1, even 4:1 passing. The results varied.

75, where did you get your numbers or basis for those claims?
In 2014, CSM was 55-45 pass:run, and its QB was the second leading rusher
In 2013, CSM was 54-46 and its QB was the leading rusher
In 2012, CSM was 67-33 and its QB was the 4th leading rusher (most attempts) bad Oline that year
In 2011, CSM was 54-46 and its QB had the second most rushing attempts

We could go on, but what's the point?

Where did you get all those muscles you were displaying at the gym tonight? Bergquist seemed jealous.

 

[kyle_sample]

I think the passing game will come easier and the offense will start clicking when we can run the ball..

At Mines, Stitt wasn't much into running offenses; he's never coached to a running game. He had QB's that never ran the ball. Couldn't find any record, though, of anything like a -17 yd performance seen yesterday. He likes the pass. It's always been 3:1, even 4:1 passing. The results varied.

75, where did you get your numbers or basis for those claims?
In 2014, CSM was 55-45 pass:run, and its QB was the second leading rusher
In 2013, CSM was 54-46 and its QB was the leading rusher
In 2012, CSM was 67-33 and its QB was the 4th leading rusher (most attempts) bad Oline that year
In 2011, CSM was 54-46 and its QB had the second most rushing attempts

We could go on, but what's the point?

Where did you get all those muscles you were displaying at the gym tonight? Bergquist seemed jealous.

HA! Nobody is jealous of my ability to lift 30 pounds above my head with wobbly arms

 

[doc3kgt]

I think the passing game will come easier and the offense will start clicking when we can run the ball..

At Mines, Stitt wasn't much into running offenses; he's never coached to a running game. He had QB's that never ran the ball. Couldn't find any record, though, of anything like a -17 yd performance seen yesterday. He likes the pass. It's always been 3:1, even 4:1 passing. The results varied.

75, where did you get your numbers or basis for those claims?
In 2014, CSM was 55-45 pass:run, and its QB was the second leading rusher
In 2013, CSM was 54-46 and its QB was the leading rusher
In 2012, CSM was 67-33 and its QB was the 4th leading rusher (most attempts) bad Oline that year
In 2011, CSM was 54-46 and its QB had the second most rushing attempts

We could go on, but what's the point?

Umgriz75 commonly uses hyperbole and misinformation to affirm his agenda driven posts. It's quite transparent, and pathetic.

 

[uofmman1122]

We could go on, but what's the point?

If there's a better slogan for eGriz, I'd like to see it. :lol:

 

[daGrizJ]

Thanks Kyle. I have been saying for awhile that what we have seen so far from Coach Stitt's O is a shell of what it will be when we get a QB that has better mobility. Now you have shown us the stats/facts. And perhaps it will silence those who are saying he doesn't know the run game. I believe he also said CSoM had many 1000 yrd rushers. Can you find the stats on that?

 

[kyle_sample]

Thanks Kyle. I have been saying for awhile that what we have seen so far from Coach Stitt's O is a shell of what it will be when we get a QB that has better mobility. Now you have shown us the stats/facts. And perhaps it will silence those who are saying he doesn't know the run game. I believe he also said CSoM had many 1000 yrd rushers. Can you find the stats on that?

2014: 1 1,000-yard rusher
2013: 3 guys ran for more than 400
2012: Nobody over 300
2011: 1 1,000-yard rusher
2010: 1 w/ 684
2009: 1 w/ 629
2008: 1 w/ 641
2007: 1 w/ 433
2006: 1 w/ 1018
2005 1 w/ 913, 1 w/ 493

 

[UMGriz75]

I think the passing game will come easier and the offense will start clicking when we can run the ball..

At Mines, Stitt wasn't much into running offenses; he's never coached to a running game. He had QB's that never ran the ball. Couldn't find any record, though, of anything like a -17 yd performance seen yesterday. He likes the pass. It's always been 3:1, even 4:1 passing. The results varied.

75, where did you get your numbers or basis for those claims?
In 2014, CSM was 55-45 pass:run, and its QB was the second leading rusher
In 2013, CSM was 54-46 and its QB was the leading rusher
In 2012, CSM was 67-33 and its QB was the 4th leading rusher (most attempts) bad Oline that year
In 2011, CSM was 54-46 and its QB had the second most rushing attempts

We could go on, but what's the point?

Well, your numbers are wrong, and you are using some odd metrics "4th leading rusher," which says ... what? Makena Simis was our leading rusher in two games. Indeed, he is our third leading rusher for the entire season. I have no idea where your numbers come from. Are you sure you were looking at the Colorado School of Mines statistical archives?

What I also said, in addition to the above, was qualified by this post:

In his last two years there he did get a QB that could run the ball, and was able to run 60-80 yards a game.

That was simply from eyeballing the numbers. Turns out, it was pretty close to the mark. Much too high on the QB contributions however. The best year was 2013 with 63 yds per game, followed by 2014 with 32 yds per game.

Here's the data source: http://csmorediggers.com/sports/fball/archive

Colorado School of Mines, passing per game, rushing per game
2014 378,144
2013 319, 175
2012 367, 88
2011 306, 96
2010 352, 86
2009 356, 75
2008 232, 95
2007 246, 58
2006 183, 111
2005 313, 146
2004 367, 163

Ratios, passing to running (parenthesis, Kyle's numbers)
2.6 (1.2)
1.8 (1.2)
4.2 (2.0)
3.2 (1.2)
4.1
4.7
2.4
4.2
1.6
2.1
2.3

The ten year average is 3:1, the recent five year average is 3.2:1. Which is pretty much exactly what I said.

He had QBs that could run the ball in 2012, 2013 and 2014, and they ran some yardage, generally averaging about 30 yds over the three years, maybe lower. In the three years before that, the average QB contribution was -16, 0 and -13 yds per game. UM's QBs this year, rushing, per game average was Makena at about 70 yd, Chad at 28 and Brady at 5.8. These are all "abouts" depending on how you want to handle partial quarters.

 

[CrunchGriz]

Well, this argument's easy to referee: Kyle was using play numbers, 75 was using yardage.

There, easy. Neither is wrong; they just aren't speaking the same language.

And, just for the sake of further argument, I think when most folks talk about run/pass ratios they're talking about number of plays, not yards.

 

[UMGriz75]

Well, this argument's easy to referee: Kyle was using play numbers, 75 was using yardage.

There, easy. Neither is wrong; they just aren't speaking the same language.

And, just for the sake of further argument, I think when most folks talk about run/pass ratios they're talking about number of plays, not yards.

Well, that's one reason I used the word "yards" in the first place. It means something. As in "yards." And I don't know how you get to Kyle's conclusion, using his "approach" about the QB contribution to a run game unless you talk "yards." It's pointless. He's referring to "leading rusher" among QBs. In our scheme, with John carrying the ball 3 times and Brady throwing once on a down set, is that meaningful to say that we are fundamentally a rushing team, because of the ratio of runs to throws? Seriously? Is that how you analyze football?

Montana this season had 518 rushing attempts and 551 passing attempts. 1853 yds vs 3637 yds. Which statistic would you rely on to identify the fundamental team strategy? That's a serious question. What are you looking for?

Is Montana a "balanced" team with number of run attempts nearly equal to the number of passing attempts? So we're already practically "there" as a running team? Somehow I don't think that John Nguyen running his head into the ground for one yard gains over and over defines us as a "running" team. (He's better than that at 4.6 but for those who want genuine "hyperbole" there it is. That's what it looks like).

 

[IntuitiveGriz]

Ummm, Brady is the guy next year. PERIOD.

BRADY is CLEARLY the best QB next year! It's not even close!

The only reason he had a bad game against NDSU this weekend is because they were flat-out getting after him! Our OL didn't build a wall for him to sit behind and pick apart the NDSU secondary. Like Pittsburgh Steelers OL did last night against the Colts. Hell I could have thrown completions all day behind that Steelers OL, all while reading a book and drinking a whiskey 7.

No QB in the country, with that WEAK UM OL, would have done well against that fired up NDSU team last Saturday! NOT ONE.

UM has an OL problem, not a QB problem.

 

[CrunchGriz]

Well, this argument's easy to referee: Kyle was using play numbers, 75 was using yardage.

There, easy. Neither is wrong; they just aren't speaking the same language.

And, just for the sake of further argument, I think when most folks talk about run/pass ratios they're talking about number of plays, not yards.

Well, that's one reason I used the word "yards" in the first place. It means something. As in "yards." And I don't know how you get to Kyle's conclusion, using his "approach" about the QB contribution to a run game unless you talk "yards." It's pointless.

Montana this season had 518 rushing attempts and 551 passing attempts. 1853 yds vs 3637 yds. Which statistic would you rely on to identify the fundamental team strategy?

Is Montana a "balanced" team with number of run attempts nearly equal to the number of passing attempts? So we're already practically "there" as a running team? Somehow I don't think that John Nguyen running his head into the ground for one yard gains over and over defines us as a "running" team. (He's better than that at 4.6 but for those who want genuine "hyperbole" there it is. That's what it looks like).

Not to belabor this, but here's your direct quote:

At Mines, Stitt wasn't much into running offenses; he's never coached to a running game. He had QB's that never ran the ball. Couldn't find any record, though, of anything like a -17 yd performance seen yesterday. He likes the pass. It's always been 3:1, even 4:1 passing. The results varied.

Where in that quote did you say that 3:1 or 4:1 represented anything, let alone yards?

Again, when folks talk about run/pass ratio, almost invariably they are talking about play count, not yards.

It's just a misunderstanding between you and Kyle. Don't make it into more than that.

 

[UMGriz75]

Ummm, Brady is the guy next year. PERIOD.

BRADY is CLEARLY the best QB next year! It's not even close! The only reason he had a bad game against NDSU this weekend is because they were flat-out getting after him!

Hard to say why Cal Poly had this figured out, and then Liberty, and then the second half SDSU team, and then NDSU just "figured it out." You do realize that, of seven games played in, the opposing team offense either had Brady figured out in the majority of the games, or he self-destructed in the majority of those games? Or coaching, who knows what directions he was following.

It's certainly going to be a well-watched game-play tape next year among DC's. Do you think that will enhance or diminish Brady's effectiveness in future games?

 

[UMGriz75]

Not to belabor this, but here's your direct quote:

At Mines, Stitt wasn't much into running offenses; he's never coached to a running game. He had QB's that never ran the ball. Couldn't find any record, though, of anything like a -17 yd performance seen yesterday. He likes the pass. It's always been 3:1, even 4:1 passing. The results varied.

Where in that quote did you say that 3:1 or 4:1 represented anything, let alone yards?

There's two quotes there. Kyle could not figure out where my numbers came from. He wants to use a metric that includes "attempts," I identified a metric that uses "actual yardage" because one metric wins games and one has little meaning in that context, and shows what? That 140 failed run attempts is more "attempts" than one successful TD pass, and so therefore must be ... "running team?" Or "unsuccessful" running team? There is no "quality" metric there.

He challenged my numbers. I certainly know what I was thinking when I wrote it, and I provided the numbers, showed the analysis and provided the source, to show that what I wrote was true. Anything else?

Just because we have a pretty decent number of rushing attempts compared to passing attempts does not mean we are a rushing team, if that's what Kyle or anyone else is trying to prove. And it didn't mean that at Mines either.

Indeed, those statistics that Kyle did not show would have illuminated my argument for him; Stitt may have had a close "ratio" some years at Mines, but so what? That ratio is nearly meaningless to the specific point I was making. I am not sure why anyone would connect my point with a metric that had little to do with my point.

The fact that the Smorediggers (2012) had 367 yards average passing and 88 yards average rushing per game does not mean that Stitt coached a rushing team just because they tried it a lot and didn't get much with it (or used it for other purposes).

That's approximately what Kyle tried to argue when I suggested that Stitt has never coached a "rushing team." Perhaps I should have said "successful rushing team" to emphasize the point as to what Stitt used to win games -- and it wasn't a rushing offense strategy. And that is most clearly seen in the yardage comparisons. It obviously can't be seen in the "attempts" ratio. It is literally, an apples to oranges comparison.

 

[IntuitiveGriz]

This offense is predictable. It was a feeding frenzy to ndsu's defense. Sad part is it's still rebuilding as will be the defense with the seniors we lose.

NDSU was able to stuff the Griz running game with only 5 guys in the box....Griz will never win without a better effort by the OL....

The Griz OL resets the line of scrimmage a couple yards at the snap, on every running play. The only problem is the reset is in the wrong direction, it's in the UM backfield!!!

They are HORRIFIC run blockers. Many of us pointed this out in the spring and fall camp. This needs major improvement. We are the Grizzlies for pete's sake. We need to maul the opponennt, not the other way around!!!

:egriz:

 

[daGrizJ]

So what I see from these stats is; when Stitt has running backs and/or a QB that can move, his team ran for over 1000-1200 yards per game - 3 of the last 4 years. When he didn't, like this year, the offensive production was pass heavy. What this tells me is, he adjusts the offense to fit what he has for talent. Yes, his O is pass oriented, but for us to judge what it can or cannot do on this years output is totally permature and unfounded. I think we can all agree this years team was lacking in several areas, yet it was able to be pretty damn successful, which attests, IMO, to the flexibility of his scheme.

 

[UMGriz75]

So what I see from these stats is; when Stitt has running backs and/or a QB that can move, his team ran for over 1000-1200 yards per game - 3 of the last 4 years.

Now, that's a rushing team!

 

[daGrizJ]

Ha. Oops. Failure to proof read. Of course I meant year.

 

[Sam A. Blitz]

Gustafson will very likely be a better QB next year. That is at least what I expect after getting his first playing time this year under a new coach. It is a pretty safe assumption that he will improve as most college athletes do over their career. That is very encouraging as he showed he has the talent but needs to become more consistent and poised.

I also expect Simis and Chalich to improve. Hopefully they will stay, work hard to better understand the playbook, and give Gus a run for his money.

Indabox has it right. Gus's job to lose. Hopefully he has competition.

 

[UMGriz75]

What this tells me is, he adjusts the offense to fit what he has for talent.

That's a teleological argument. The fact of the results doesn't say he adjusted anything. It says that's what happened. On the other hand, that doesn't say he didn't "adjust." It just doesn't rise to the level of proof that he did.

 

[IntuitiveGriz]

What Griz receiver says: (Grizzly Sports Report, right after the SDSU game)

Reporter - "The offense has seen a lot of success in the past couple weeks. What is that attributed to, and just how much better are you guys getting week to week in this offense?"

Ellis Henderson - "I think we call it the Brady Effect. I think it's a term I coined a couple weeks ago. It's just having the confidence in him having him back there. I still think MaKenna is great, athletic QB. And Chad is great as well. But Brady just has this sense of confidence that you need within this offense to be able to call a play, audible-out. Just really have a calming effect, especially at the tempo we go. Having someone back there that you just feel good about is something that is I think under-appreciated a little bit."