Hoof Hearted
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ALPHAGRIZ1 said:
Well that explains how a waste of humanity like Alpo came to be.
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Fund-Raising Going South
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Well that explains how a waste of humanity like Alpo came to be.
ilovethecats
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someone missed the joke...
ALPHAGRIZ1
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ilovethecats said:
They always miss it..................
IMO a donor should not be donating money because of Jim O'Day or Pflu. The donation should be made because of a need the school/department has. Just because Jim is not there now does not change the fact that the athletic department still needs major updrades to come into the 21st century. Jim may have done an incredible sales job and people may be upset at how Main Hall handled this situation, however, not donating now only takes it out on the kids that the donor was supposed to be helping in the first place.
The only reason this situation gives me pause is to see the department fritter it away on lawyers and lawsuits. I want my money to go for facilities improvements and yes I understand it is segregated, but at some point it hits the bottom line.
If they throw money down the drain on capricious firings supposedly after they have implemented a student conduct policy which they publicly state is the model for moving forward and then shit can two undeserving individuals without due process, smearing their names and reputations after what they have given to the institution, then yeah - I'm reluctant as hell to give them money if that is how they use it.
If they throw money down the drain on capricious firings supposedly after they have implemented a student conduct policy which they publicly state is the model for moving forward and then shit can two undeserving individuals without due process, smearing their names and reputations after what they have given to the institution, then yeah - I'm reluctant as hell to give them money if that is how they use it.
ATLCAT said:
Add up the rumors and the athletic program is in the hole. I don't doubt some are holding back. I know some who have been holding back as the leadership in athletic department/Foley's office (going back to Hauck took the University's Reputation on a race to the bottom. Funny thing after all the chest pounding and angst from a small number of boosters, as these programs take steps to move forward, it pays big. The best thing to happen to MSU in years was the Krammer firings. There are any number of schools who have been in a similar place and come out better.
Our last go round in the 70's (when they were going to actually drop football) lead to what we have today.......
Fine, big donors, don't donate, anymore. Others have said on this board that donations should be to the program and the school for the benefit of all, not for individuals in the program. Pres. Engstrom has shown a remarkable exercise of leadership and courage in what he did. I do not like what he did, but I understand that what he did had to be done. Pres. Engstrom is the real leader in all aspects of UM. He sets the tone for everything, as any head of any organization does.
Too many people, not just on eGriz, but in the community, believe the Griz should win, whatever it takes. If it takes gray areas of morality, so be it. Just win. UM has been swimming around in that gray area far too long. I will note here that Bobby Hauck at UNLV is in his third year, there, and there has not been one thing in the press about off-field player misconduct. I believe BH got the message from the real leader of the football program, the college president, who hired a no-nonsense AD, who himself got the message from the boss. This was exemplified in the summary firing of coach Gregorak for alleged off-field misconduct, even before there was a legal determination of guilt/innocence.
Schools have better things to do than to have to constantly be dealing with off-field misconduct by football players and coaches. The mission of our colleges and universities does not include winning football championships, no matter how much money, prestige, whatever a winning football team brings. A winning football team is great PR for bringing in students, but it cannot be at the cost of besmirching the reputation of the institution. Pres. Engstrom recognized this, and probably saved his job by taking action. It's sad that two leaders of the Griz football program had to go, but something had to be done to wake people up and chart a new course for Griz football.
Too many people, not just on eGriz, but in the community, believe the Griz should win, whatever it takes. If it takes gray areas of morality, so be it. Just win. UM has been swimming around in that gray area far too long. I will note here that Bobby Hauck at UNLV is in his third year, there, and there has not been one thing in the press about off-field player misconduct. I believe BH got the message from the real leader of the football program, the college president, who hired a no-nonsense AD, who himself got the message from the boss. This was exemplified in the summary firing of coach Gregorak for alleged off-field misconduct, even before there was a legal determination of guilt/innocence.
Schools have better things to do than to have to constantly be dealing with off-field misconduct by football players and coaches. The mission of our colleges and universities does not include winning football championships, no matter how much money, prestige, whatever a winning football team brings. A winning football team is great PR for bringing in students, but it cannot be at the cost of besmirching the reputation of the institution. Pres. Engstrom recognized this, and probably saved his job by taking action. It's sad that two leaders of the Griz football program had to go, but something had to be done to wake people up and chart a new course for Griz football.
ilovethecats
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as a cat fan, let me the first to say that i'm on board with the griz following BH's lead at unlv and mimicking the direction that program is going. it just makes sense....
hawaiiangriz
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To those of you who think that big donors do not matter to the program, you are truly idiots. I myself, donated a substantial sum of money back in 2000 when Montana had the '100% tax write off for donations to higher ed' as did numerous other people I know. I am truly concerned about some of the comments I am seeing on this board about big donors, and what some of you have said about them. They are frustrated right now and they are voting with their checkbooks. Nothing wrong with that, hell, I am too right now. O'Day learned from one of the absolute best about how to get the bucks, and that was Hogan. Alot of you don't like Wayne, but you will NEVER know just how much money he brought to the table of athletics. It's all about the money, and that's in some ways unfortunate, but that's the way it works. Hogan was a master of chasing the BIGTIME donor - and he got tubed for chasing the big dollars (remember he got fired partly for $200 bottles of wine - well, if you're taking a donor to dinner to attempt to get a million dollar plus donation is it worth it to buy a $200 bottle of wine, or should you take them to McDonalds - some of you will NEVER understand). But facts are facts and Wayne brought MILLIONS to the table that most of you will NEVER even hear about, and that's the way MOST BIGTIME donors want it to be. He taught O'Day how to do that - you won't know how much $$$$$ O'Day and Hogan brought to the table for YEARS as these things take time to 'catch up' to the checkbook - unfortunately, they also take YEARS to develop those relationships......
If some of you think that our beloved Griz program would be where it is at without big donors, consider the following:
Grizturf provided by a BIGTIME donor.
North End zone expansion provided by a BIGTIME donor
New athletic offices provided by a BIGTIME donor
Hall of Champions provided by NUMEROUS BIGTIME donors
East Side expansion with double deck, provided by BIGTIME donor
Scoreboard, video screen, field screens, sound system, etc. provided by BIGTIME donor
Skyclub event center in the basketball arena which entertains BIGTIME donors
The list goes on and on - some of you people think all these 'improvement' are based off of ticket sales, and just manage to happen, which is further away from the truth than most realize.
If I could take my endowment back, at this point, I might just do that, although that would very well be hurting the people my wife and I wanted to help the most - THE KIDS! That is extreme, I know, but I can't think of another way to 'voice' my wife's and I opinions about how this all went down.... If anyone knows of another way to voice my disapproval, besides not renewing my season tickets, than let me know. I don't want the kids to suffer because of my 'pissed off attitude' right now, but how do I vent without hurting the ultimate people I want to support?
And just so some of the naysayers know - you could setup an endowment that would fund new shoelaces for the womens basketball team, AND THAT IS ALL, and the foundation MUST abide by your rules.....
If some of you think that our beloved Griz program would be where it is at without big donors, consider the following:
Grizturf provided by a BIGTIME donor.
North End zone expansion provided by a BIGTIME donor
New athletic offices provided by a BIGTIME donor
Hall of Champions provided by NUMEROUS BIGTIME donors
East Side expansion with double deck, provided by BIGTIME donor
Scoreboard, video screen, field screens, sound system, etc. provided by BIGTIME donor
Skyclub event center in the basketball arena which entertains BIGTIME donors
The list goes on and on - some of you people think all these 'improvement' are based off of ticket sales, and just manage to happen, which is further away from the truth than most realize.
If I could take my endowment back, at this point, I might just do that, although that would very well be hurting the people my wife and I wanted to help the most - THE KIDS! That is extreme, I know, but I can't think of another way to 'voice' my wife's and I opinions about how this all went down.... If anyone knows of another way to voice my disapproval, besides not renewing my season tickets, than let me know. I don't want the kids to suffer because of my 'pissed off attitude' right now, but how do I vent without hurting the ultimate people I want to support?
And just so some of the naysayers know - you could setup an endowment that would fund new shoelaces for the womens basketball team, AND THAT IS ALL, and the foundation MUST abide by your rules.....
Donors can piss and moan all they want but you are not buying your way into a university or college athletic program. It you donate money so that you can have a say in how a university is ran then you are heading down the wrong path. These BIG donors can easily pick up the phone to Engstrom and have his ear if they are truly that large and the school needs to coddle them to keep their support. You said it yourself, you can vote with your checkbook, however, donors are only hurting the existing kids who have brought nothing but effort and class to Montana athletics when they withhold a major donation that will make the U a better place.
Wonder how donations to Arkansas are going to go now that they got rid of their coach that just went 11-2, played in the Cotton bowl and were going to be in everyone's top 10 this year - all because he could not keep his zipper up.......
Wonder how donations to Arkansas are going to go now that they got rid of their coach that just went 11-2, played in the Cotton bowl and were going to be in everyone's top 10 this year - all because he could not keep his zipper up.......
mtgrizrule
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putter said:
At least Arkansas donors, and fans, have been given a reason. Meanwhile, there is Montana, and still no reason(s) given. I think that makes it a lot easier for a donor to make a logical decision. It surely is better than, not knowing jack shit.
