Fritz tweets; Pflu expects JJ to remain at UM

[AZGrizFan]

"You're the one trying to minimize their rapes."
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My god, you ARE an attorney, aren't you? :lol: :roll:

I've been on the faculty at the University of Montana for over 30 years. Unlike you, I have some sense of what it means when you declare that someone is trying "to minimize their rapes," when in fact, there was no such accusation in the first place.

I also understand the damage it does to young people to have some complete idiot destroy their reputations by playing "internet judge," making determinations of guilt, absolute declarations of it when the crime has not even been alleged, and the power of the internet and of those careless remarks to haunt those young people for the rest of their lives.

Ahhh...your true agenda comes out. Another biased observer....unlike you I HAVE no dog in this fight...and I am not the one who somehow views date rape (however "nonviolent" it might be :roll: ) as more acceptable than other kinds of alleged sexual assaults. If you're this upset with Engstrom's actions, why don't you walk into his office and get it off your chest? Let him know how you really feel...Or can you only do that behind the anonymity of the internet?

Power of the internet.... :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

[AZGrizFan]

Nice call on the "idiot" reference to AZ, 75. I've been saying that for years. At least, AZ finally got rid of his pro-rape avatar.

:lol:

Yep. All because of you. You're such a positive influence.

 

[UMGriz75]

Ahhh...your true agenda comes out. Another biased observer....unlike you I HAVE no dog in this fight...and I am not the one who somehow views date rape (however "nonviolent" it might be :roll: ) as more acceptable than other kinds of alleged sexual assaults. If you're this upset with Engstrom's actions, why don't you walk into his office and get it off your chest? Let him know how you really feel...Or can you only do that behind the anonymity of the internet?

Power of the internet.... :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Ahhh, "true agendas" such as NOT accusing someone of rape who was never accused of rape.

It is truly a nefarious agenda for those who have a contrary agenda: convicting a student of rape who was never accused of rape.

This is so malicious regarding the student. Yeah, I do tend to stick up for the students, male and female.

You obviously don't. It's an "agenda": "You're the one trying to minimize their rapes."

Thanks for the convictions. It saves everyone the trouble.

 

[AZGrizFan]

Ahhh...your true agenda comes out. Another biased observer....unlike you I HAVE no dog in this fight...and I am not the one who somehow views date rape (however "nonviolent" it might be :roll: ) as more acceptable than other kinds of alleged sexual assaults. If you're this upset with Engstrom's actions, why don't you walk into his office and get it off your chest? Let him know how you really feel...Or can you only do that behind the anonymity of the internet?

Power of the internet.... :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Ahhh, "true agendas" such as NOT accusing someone of rape who was never accused of rape.

It is truly a nefarious agenda for those who have a contrary agenda: convicting a student of rape who was never accused of rape.

This is so malicious regarding the student. Yeah, I do tend to stick up for the students, male and female.

You obviously don't. It's an "agenda": "You're the one trying to minimize their rapes."

Ohhh....nefarious. Big words....

I don't have the power to convict anyone....I'm not a judge or a jury. And how can I convict anyone of rape when I've never mentioned anyone by name?

You don't appear to be sticking up for many female students with your comments. I'm sure your female faculty members would be interested to know your position on this. :? :? :?

 

[UMGriz75]

You don't appear to be sticking up for many female students with your comments. I'm sure your female faculty members would be interested to know your position on this. :? :? :?

Contraire, I have expressed my outrage that the Administration expressed great concern for the alleged Saudi serial rapist-- really, a "courtesy" phone call to the alleged rapist on the rape report? -- but could spare no concern for the UM female student victims by bringing their attacker to justice.

I note that you have been unable to express any comparable outrage on behalf of the female students involved.

 

[AZGrizFan]

You don't appear to be sticking up for many female students with your comments. I'm sure your female faculty members would be interested to know your position on this. :? :? :?

Contraire, I have expressed my outrage that the Administration expressed great concern for the alleged Saudi serial rapist, but could spare no concern for the UM female student victims by bringing their attacker to justice.

I note that you didn't.

Engstrom's public statements at the BOR meeting contradict the information printed in the Missoulian. He expressly stated that his office did NOT sit on information related to a sexual assault to allow the perp to skip town. There's a thread on here somewhere to that effect. I take it you don't believe him?

 

[UMGriz75]

I take it you don't believe him?

Read what he actually said.

 

[AZGrizFan]

I take it you don't believe him?

Read what he actually said.

President Engstrom was invited to comment and he noted that the process followed in the recent sexual assault incident at UM resulted in some misconceptions in the community. He noted that the UM administration has worked around the clock on the recent incident, in collaboration with students and Commissioners Stearns and Christian, and he stated UM’s priorities as these: (1) the safety of the campus; (2) the removal of perpetrators; and (3) communications with the community. He had a specific message relative to the incident. He emphasized that the campus “did not sit on information about a rapist.” He said that, on the date the rape was reported to campus authorities, the campus took several steps: (1) it interviewed the victim and advised her strongly to report the incident to law enforcement; (2) it put out a Clery Act Notice (warning of potential danger) to the campus community and the police; and (3) it notified city police. He noted that these actions may not have been completed in perfect order, but he indicated the difficulties of serving a Clery Act Notice and he indicated pride in how the campus responded, which he stated was appropriate.

It's pretty clear he feels they acted appropriately. Do you believe him or don't you believe him?

 

[UMGriz75]

I don't have the power to convict anyone....I'm not a judge or a jury. And how can I convict anyone of rape when I've never mentioned anyone by name?

Gosh, I mention two specific names.

You retort: "You're the one trying to minimize their rapes."

You used the "plural" by accident? "Their rapes" did not mean "their rapes?"

Are you claiming inadequacy with the English language or stupidity?

 

[AZGrizFan]

I don't have the power to convict anyone....I'm not a judge or a jury. And how can I convict anyone of rape when I've never mentioned anyone by name?

Gosh, I mention two specific names.

You retort: "You're the one trying to minimize their rapes."

You used the "plural" by accident? "Their rapes" did not mean "their rapes?"

Are you claiming inadequacy with the English language or stupidity?

I'll try one more time in plain English, then I'm moving on: how can I convict someone when I've never used anyone's name? Is there someone named "Their" out there who feels victimized by my statement?

 

[UMGriz75]

It's pretty clear he feels they acted appropriately. Do you believe him or don't you believe him?

"The University of Montana could have moved more quickly when a student told a dean on Feb. 17 that a fellow student had drugged and raped her a week earlier, UM President Royce Engstrom told the state Board of Regents Thursday.

"After speaking with the woman, Dean of Students Charles Couture contacted her alleged assailant and his attorney – the man had contacted one after being accused of assaulting another student the same night – and the university sent a campus-wide email alert.

"The Missoula Police Department contacted the university after seeing the email, but the accused man, a Saudi exchange student, fled the country before the woman filed a formal police report.

“Did we do that all as perfectly and as rapidly as we could have?” Engstrom said after outlining the sequence of events to the regents, who met at the University of Montana Western. “Probably not.”

Read more: http://missoulian.com/news/local/engstrom-um-revising-policies-procedures-on-sexual-assault/article_1fa521f4-63f2-11e1-9669-001871e3ce6c.html#ixzz1qx3m9gYu" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I believe him. They alerted the alleged rapist first.

 

[UMGriz75]

I don't have the power to convict anyone....I'm not a judge or a jury. And how can I convict anyone of rape when I've never mentioned anyone by name?

Gosh, I mention two specific names.

You retort: "You're the one trying to minimize their rapes."

You used the "plural" by accident? "Their rapes" did not mean "their rapes?"

Are you claiming inadequacy with the English language or stupidity?

I'll try one more time in plain English, then I'm moving on: how can I convict someone when I've never used anyone's name? Is there someone named "Their" out there who feels victimized by my statement?

You did mention them by name. Here's what you said:

Did Engstrom "manufacture" Donaldson's charges? Did he "manufacture" Johnson's charges?

Then:

"You're the one trying to minimize their rapes."

After you specifically referred to Donaldson and Johnson, you are now claiming you weren't referring to anybody regarding "their rapes," just generic "they" and generic "rapes" right?

Right.

Since no one has, in fact, been convicted of anything, and since contrary to your post, if Engstrom did allege charges filed against Johnson, which was false, who, then, were you referring to if not the individuals you singled out?

 

[AZGrizFan]

It's pretty clear he feels they acted appropriately. Do you believe him or don't you believe him?

"The University of Montana could have moved more quickly when a student told a dean on Feb. 17 that a fellow student had drugged and raped her a week earlier, UM President Royce Engstrom told the state Board of Regents Thursday.

"After speaking with the woman, Dean of Students Charles Couture contacted her alleged assailant and his attorney – the man had contacted one after being accused of assaulting another student the same night – and the university sent a campus-wide email alert.

"The Missoula Police Department contacted the university after seeing the email, but the accused man, a Saudi exchange student, fled the country before the woman filed a formal police report.

“Did we do that all as perfectly and as rapidly as we could have?” Engstrom said after outlining the sequence of events to the regents, who met at the University of Montana Western. “Probably not.”

Read more: http://missoulian.com/news/local/engstrom-um-revising-policies-procedures-on-sexual-assault/article_1fa521f4-63f2-11e1-9669-001871e3ce6c.html#ixzz1qx3m9gYu" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I believe him. They alerted the alleged rapist first.

Well, that's interesting. That directly contradicts what he said to the BOR per their minutes.

 

[UMGriz75]

Well, that's interesting. That directly contradicts what he said to the BOR per their minutes.

That's why open meeting laws are important with this bunch.

 

[AZGrizFan]

I don't have the power to convict anyone....I'm not a judge or a jury. And how can I convict anyone of rape when I've never mentioned anyone by name?

Gosh, I mention two specific names.

You retort: "You're the one trying to minimize their rapes."

You used the "plural" by accident? "Their rapes" did not mean "their rapes?"

Are you claiming inadequacy with the English language or stupidity?

I'll try one more time in plain English, then I'm moving on: how can I convict someone when I've never used anyone's name? Is there someone named "Their" out there who feels victimized by my statement?

You did mention them by name. Here's what you said:

Did Engstrom "manufacture" Donaldson's charges? Did he "manufacture" Johnson's charges?

Then:

"You're the one trying to minimize their rapes."

After you specifically referred to Donaldson and Johnson, you are now claiming you weren't referring to anybody regarding "their rapes," just generic "they" and generic "rapes" right?

Right.

Since no one has, in fact, been convicted of anything, and since contrary to your post, if Engstrom did allege charges filed against Johnson, which was false, who, then, were you referring to if not the individuals you singled out?

My comment regarding you minimizing their rapes was in response to your lame-ass attempt to minimize date rape as something more acceptable than a rape in which a weapon is used....but, I give. That is some of the most selective editing I've ever seen on here. If, through the all-powerful use of the internet I have offended someone's sensibilities or somehow (without a law degree and without ever being seated on a jury or elected as a judge) magically convicted someone of a crime, I apologize.

 

[Grizmayor]

I don't know '75... if I possessed the moral compass that you do, I'd resign and remove myself from being a member of the "education" industry, and join a much more ethical and transparent organization like the Obama administration.

 

[UMGriz75]

I don't know '75... if I possessed the moral compass that you do, I'd resign and remove myself from being a member of the "education" industry, and join a much more ethical and transparent organization like the Obama administration.

"Moral compass?"

You mean like this one:

Grizmayor wrote:

UMGriz75 wrote:

Grizmayor wrote:To add to clawman's query about drinking, as we know - Jordan Johnson was reportedly drunk at the Foresters' Ball when all this happened, correct? What is the legal drinking age in Montana? How old is Jordan Johnson? Does the football coach have rules about drinking for underage football players? if so, are college athletes allowed to break state laws that my son will get fined, probation and possible jail time for??? If the coach knows that Jordan Johnson was drunk (must have been in the police report, correct?) then why wasn't Jordan Johnson suspended for underage drinking??? Is this something that Coach Robin Pflugrad and Athletic Director Jim O'Day and the "committee" turned a blindeye to because he's a starting quarterback? Or are Grizzly athletes "special" and have their own set of laws?

Is this rumor or fact? One of my kids was at the FB, and mentioned nothing about this.

Fair enough... I can find nothing on EGriz that says he was drinking... just unfounded assumptions.

That was a pretty detailed outburst for something you just made up.

Two of you seem bound and determined to accuse Jordan Johnson of something, even it requires fabricating the allegation that Engstrom "accused" him of something, or completely fabricating the allegation that he was drunk at the Forester's Ball.

Do either of you even know what a "moral compass" is?

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[grizcountry420]

Good stuff here boys....Keep typing....

 

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

Who let the children out of their playpen....................................

 

[AZGrizFan]

Good to see that a night off didn't diminish 75's enthusiasm.