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Flowers to the House

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What a waste of a special talent. I certainly hope he gets a chance at the next level. It’s no wonder opposing teams won’t kick to him.
 
How does a guy with that speed not get open deep (if the plays are actually called that have him doing it)? Or is he open and never thrown too? Boggles my mind.
 
Ursus1 said:
How does a guy with that speed not get open deep (if the plays are actually called that have him doing it)? Or is he open and never thrown too? Boggles my mind.

The CURRENT OC doesn't have any idea what that is.
 
Imagine Maliks numbers if he had been used like Deebo Samuel for the 49ers. His total yards and TDs would be really impressive. Its hard to see when he only gets 2 touches per game but on the occasion he breaks into the open field and his athleticism is on full display he is something to behold. So frustrating.
 
Ursus1 said:
How does a guy with that speed not get open deep (if the plays are actually called that have him doing it)? Or is he open and never thrown too? Boggles my mind.

I’ve come to the conclusion the answer is twofold:

1) The offensive line can’t keep a pocket long enough for a deep play to develop
2) The QB’s have decided pre-snap who they’re throwing to and rarely if EVER make multiple reads before throwing. If their initial objective isn’t open, they throw it away, or out of bounds, or into the dirt, or to the defender.

The ONLY time this differs is when LJ breaks the pocket and begins scanning the field. That is when he’s at his best and the offense is at its most dangerous. Unfortunately, Brown doesn’t have that ability. Once he pulls the ball down he does NOT look downfield, and he runs like a giraffe, goes down on first contact and is slow. Other than that he’s a great backup.
 
AZGrizFan said:
Ursus1 said:
How does a guy with that speed not get open deep (if the plays are actually called that have him doing it)? Or is he open and never thrown too? Boggles my mind.

I’ve come to the conclusion the answer is twofold:

1) The offensive line can’t keep a pocket long enough for a deep play to develop
2) The QB’s have decided pre-snap who they’re throwing to and rarely if EVER make multiple reads before throwing. If their initial objective isn’t open, they throw it away, or out of bounds, or into the dirt, or to the defender.

The ONLY time this differs is when LJ breaks the pocket and begins scanning the field. That is when he’s at his best and the offense is at its most dangerous. Unfortunately, Brown doesn’t have that ability. Once he pulls the ball down he does NOT look downfield, and he runs like a giraffe, goes down on first contact and is slow. Other than that he’s a great backup.
Lummux comes to mind.
 
AZGrizFan said:
Ursus1 said:
How does a guy with that speed not get open deep (if the plays are actually called that have him doing it)? Or is he open and never thrown too? Boggles my mind.

I’ve come to the conclusion the answer is twofold:

1) The offensive line can’t keep a pocket long enough for a deep play to develop
2) The QB’s have decided pre-snap who they’re throwing to and rarely if EVER make multiple reads before throwing. If their initial objective isn’t open, they throw it away, or out of bounds, or into the dirt, or to the defender.

The ONLY time this differs is when LJ breaks the pocket and begins scanning the field. That is when he’s at his best and the offense is at its most dangerous. Unfortunately, Brown doesn’t have that ability. Once he pulls the ball down he does NOT look downfield, and he runs like a giraffe, goes down on first contact and is slow. Other than that he’s a great backup.
I lived in Tanzania for two years, he/we all wish. Those things move like a raped ape.
 
SaskGriz said:
AZGrizFan said:
I’ve come to the conclusion the answer is twofold:

1) The offensive line can’t keep a pocket long enough for a deep play to develop
2) The QB’s have decided pre-snap who they’re throwing to and rarely if EVER make multiple reads before throwing. If their initial objective isn’t open, they throw it away, or out of bounds, or into the dirt, or to the defender.

The ONLY time this differs is when LJ breaks the pocket and begins scanning the field. That is when he’s at his best and the offense is at its most dangerous. Unfortunately, Brown doesn’t have that ability. Once he pulls the ball down he does NOT look downfield, and he runs like a giraffe, goes down on first contact and is slow. Other than that he’s a great backup.
I lived in Tanzania for two years, he/we all wish. Those things move like a raped ape.
I have two questions. (1)How many raped apes did you see running? (2)How did you KNOW they had been raped?
 
StumptownGriz said:
Imagine Maliks numbers if he had been used like Deebo Samuel for the 49ers. His total yards and TDs would be really impressive. Its hard to see when he only gets 2 touches per game but on the occasion he breaks into the open field and his athleticism is on full display he is something to behold. So frustrating.

I suggested this last season. I agree with you.
 
Ive mentioned it before, but Flowers is a Kick-returner ONLY!. He is not a legit Wide-receiver despite all his skills. Being a good route runner and getting open has nothing to do with your open-field track times. Give him end-arounds and reverses-sure, but he can NOT get open or make clutch catches in traffic.
 
That KO return for a TD was awesome. He ran into a wall of blockers/tacklers, spun out of it and turned on the jets. The young man certainly has that skill and speed. I hope he gets a chance at the next level. :clap:
 
Zirg said:
Ive mentioned it before, but Flowers is a Kick-returner ONLY!. He is not a legit Wide-receiver despite all his skills. Being a good route runner and getting open has nothing to do with your open-field track times. Give him end-arounds and reverses-sure, but he can NOT get open or make clutch catches in traffic.
Just maybe that opinion is a little short on data. He has been targeted so few times.
 
Zirg said:
Ive mentioned it before, but Flowers is a Kick-returner ONLY!. He is not a legit Wide-receiver despite all his skills. Being a good route runner and getting open has nothing to do with your open-field track times. Give him end-arounds and reverses-sure, but he can NOT get open or make clutch catches in traffic.

Yeah and we never give him end arounds or pitch him the ball. We’re fools for it
 
Zirg said:
Ive mentioned it before, but Flowers is a Kick-returner ONLY!. He is not a legit Wide-receiver despite all his skills. Being a good route runner and getting open has nothing to do with your open-field track times. Give him end-arounds and reverses-sure, but he can NOT get open or make clutch catches in traffic.

He is not the only one...
 
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