Fire Gregorak

[GrizzleMoose]

In football, as in most sports, you play games only as good as you prepare.

That's not true. Preparation is only part of it. You are another of the never played the game posters on this board.

Wow PR, so you are the almighty I am the only one who has ever played the game, therefore, no one else can comment on how to prepare or play the game? Get over yourself. There are plenty of people on here who have played the game and/or know a hell of a lot about football enough to actually have a conversation about it we just don't gloat and act like total idiots. You are what is wrong with sports in America. Why don't you try and be modest and just act like an adult for a change. No one cares about what you could have been if only the coach put you in in the fourth quarter of your high school semi final game. Add something intelligent to the conversation or just sit this one out, your choice.

 

[PlayerRep]

Didn't think I'd miss Colt Anderson as much as I do.

But, after today's game, I REALLY miss #19!

Speaking of 19, did you know Hermanson had 19 tackles today?

 

[putter]

The defensive coordinator is responsible for getting players in the proper position to make a play. After that it is up to the players to execute. Can't blame everything on the coach as players have to get it done on the field and both sides can be criticized for this game

 

[GrizzleMoose]

Gee and who is responsible for teaching proper tackling technique? If Gregorak doesnt do it himself then it is his job to ensure the coaches he supervises does.

Who is responsible for making tackles? It's clear you never played the game.

Obviously it is the player who is responsible for making tackles. However, PR, it is very clear when the defense as a whole struggles with making tackles, breaking down, over pursuing, and over all poor pass coverage technique ( ie. swiveling your hips, positioning, and turning to face the ball) that fundamentals are lacking. I don't care if you are playing pop warner or in the nfl, if you don't focus on fundamentals and technique, you won't be successful. This whole blame game that Division I players should already know how to tackle, therefore we shouldn't have to work on it is a bunch of bs. Fundamental are the name of the game at all levels. Without them, you will have an average team at best. I coach different levels of youth basketball, baseball, and football. Yo can never underestimate fundamentals. When I have a player make a mistake or are fundamentally weak, I don't blame the player, I blame myself, the coach. And by the way PR, I have played the game. Players are going to make mistakes, it is part of the game. It is the coaches job to teach that player proper technique and skills to make that player better and to limit the mistakes. I am guessing that you are ( were) one of those athletes that felt you didn't need to work on fundamentals and already "knew" it alll. It is pretty easy to spot a team that is fundamentally weak, that is.l a coaching issue.

I'm all for fundamentals and know they are important, but swiveling hips has nothing to do with tackling. Sorry, I don't believe you could have played the game at any decent level, or on defense, with the comments you just made. UM has tackled poorly at times, and quite well at times. That is not an indication of poor coaching of tackling.

Decent level, really? What do you consider decent level. You either played the game or you didn't. You are telling people, based on their responses, that they could not have ever played the game. I played at a "decent level" but did not play in college. I don't think that excludes me from knowing or understanding the game at a fairly high level. Just ask your buddy Bobby Hauck about "playing at a decent level"? He didn't. Therefore is he less knowledgeable than you about the sport? For being an attorney your arguments are pretty weak. I should know, I am married to one.

 

[GrizzleMoose]

Didn't think I'd miss Colt Anderson as much as I do.

But, after today's game, I REALLY miss #19!

Speaking of 19, did you know Hermanson had 19 tackles today?

I thought you said that no one on this team could tackle???

 

[CV Griz Fan]

Gee and who is responsible for teaching proper tackling technique? If Gregorak doesnt do it himself then it is his job to ensure the coaches he supervises does.

Who is responsible for making tackles? It's clear you never played the game.

Obviously it is the player who is responsible for making tackles. However, PR, it is very clear when the defense as a whole struggles with making tackles, breaking down, over pursuing, and over all poor pass coverage technique ( ie. swiveling your hips, positioning, and turning to face the ball) that fundamentals are lacking. I don't care if you are playing pop warner or in the nfl, if you don't focus on fundamentals and technique, you won't be successful. This whole blame game that Division I players should already know how to tackle, therefore we shouldn't have to work on it is a bunch of bs. Fundamental are the name of the game at all levels. Without them, you will have an average team at best. I coach different levels of youth basketball, baseball, and football. Yo can never underestimate fundamentals. When I have a player make a mistake or are fundamentally weak, I don't blame the player, I blame myself, the coach. And by the way PR, I have played the game. Players are going to make mistakes, it is part of the game. It is the coaches job to teach that player proper technique and skills to make that player better and to limit the mistakes. I am guessing that you are ( were) one of those athletes that felt you didn't need to work on fundamentals and already "knew" it alll. It is pretty easy to spot a team that is fundamentally weak, that is.l a coaching issue.

I'm all for fundamentals and know they are important, but swiveling hips has nothing to do with tackling. Sorry, I don't believe you could have played the game at any decent level, or on defense, with the comments you just made. UM has tackled poorly at times, and quite well at times. That is not an indication of poor coaching of tackling.

I agree with PR on this point. It may not be an indication of poor coaching of tackling technique that causes the missed tackles that Griz fans complain about. But it's a coaching problem when the coaches tolerate it. Dion Sanders was probably coached a million times on proper tackling technique. He just never executed what he was taught.

 

[PlayerRep]

Who is responsible for making tackles? It's clear you never played the game.

Obviously it is the player who is responsible for making tackles. However, PR, it is very clear when the defense as a whole struggles with making tackles, breaking down, over pursuing, and over all poor pass coverage technique ( ie. swiveling your hips, positioning, and turning to face the ball) that fundamentals are lacking. I don't care if you are playing pop warner or in the nfl, if you don't focus on fundamentals and technique, you won't be successful. This whole blame game that Division I players should already know how to tackle, therefore we shouldn't have to work on it is a bunch of bs. Fundamental are the name of the game at all levels. Without them, you will have an average team at best. I coach different levels of youth basketball, baseball, and football. Yo can never underestimate fundamentals. When I have a player make a mistake or are fundamentally weak, I don't blame the player, I blame myself, the coach. And by the way PR, I have played the game. Players are going to make mistakes, it is part of the game. It is the coaches job to teach that player proper technique and skills to make that player better and to limit the mistakes. I am guessing that you are ( were) one of those athletes that felt you didn't need to work on fundamentals and already "knew" it alll. It is pretty easy to spot a team that is fundamentally weak, that is.l a coaching issue.

I'm all for fundamentals and know they are important, but swiveling hips has nothing to do with tackling. Sorry, I don't believe you could have played the game at any decent level, or on defense, with the comments you just made. UM has tackled poorly at times, and quite well at times. That is not an indication of poor coaching of tackling.

I agree with PR on this point. It may not be an indication of poor coaching of tackling technique that causes the missed tackles that Griz fans complain about. But it's a coaching problem when the coaches tolerate it. Dion Sanders was probably coached a million times on proper tackling technique. He just never executed what he was taught.

So, during a college season, when your starters and best players who you believe are the best players to put you in position to win are not tackling with consistency, how does a coach not avoid "tolerating" it?

 

[GrizzleMoose]

Gee and who is responsible for teaching proper tackling technique? If Gregorak doesnt do it himself then it is his job to ensure the coaches he supervises does.

Who is responsible for making tackles? It's clear you never played the game.

Obviously it is the player who is responsible for making tackles. However, PR, it is very clear when the defense as a whole struggles with making tackles, breaking down, over pursuing, and over all poor pass coverage technique ( ie. swiveling your hips, positioning, and turning to face the ball) that fundamentals are lacking. I don't care if you are playing pop warner or in the nfl, if you don't focus on fundamentals and technique, you won't be successful. This whole blame game that Division I players should already know how to tackle, therefore we shouldn't have to work on it is a bunch of bs. Fundamental are the name of the game at all levels. Without them, you will have an average team at best. I coach different levels of youth basketball, baseball, and football. Yo can never underestimate fundamentals. When I have a player make a mistake or are fundamentally weak, I don't blame the player, I blame myself, the coach. And by the way PR, I have played the game. Players are going to make mistakes, it is part of the game. It is the coaches job to teach that player proper technique and skills to make that player better and to limit the mistakes. I am guessing that you are ( were) one of those athletes that felt you didn't need to work on fundamentals and already "knew" it alll. It is pretty easy to spot a team that is fundamentally weak, that is.l a coaching issue.

I'm all for fundamentals and know they are important, but swiveling hips has nothing to do with tackling. Sorry, I don't believe you could have played the game at any decent level, or on defense, with the comments you just made. UM has tackled poorly at times, and quite well at times. That is not an indication of poor coaching of tackling.

PR. Please note that my statement about swiveling of the hips is in regards to proper pass coverage technique and had nothing to do with tackling. If you are unaware that swiveling of the hips is a "fundamental" in pass protection then I question your claim to playing at a " decent level". Please read the entire response before responding with your drivel. Carry on.

 

[GrizzleMoose]

Obviously it is the player who is responsible for making tackles. However, PR, it is very clear when the defense as a whole struggles with making tackles, breaking down, over pursuing, and over all poor pass coverage technique ( ie. swiveling your hips, positioning, and turning to face the ball) that fundamentals are lacking. I don't care if you are playing pop warner or in the nfl, if you don't focus on fundamentals and technique, you won't be successful. This whole blame game that Division I players should already know how to tackle, therefore we shouldn't have to work on it is a bunch of bs. Fundamental are the name of the game at all levels. Without them, you will have an average team at best. I coach different levels of youth basketball, baseball, and football. Yo can never underestimate fundamentals. When I have a player make a mistake or are fundamentally weak, I don't blame the player, I blame myself, the coach. And by the way PR, I have played the game. Players are going to make mistakes, it is part of the game. It is the coaches job to teach that player proper technique and skills to make that player better and to limit the mistakes. I am guessing that you are ( were) one of those athletes that felt you didn't need to work on fundamentals and already "knew" it alll. It is pretty easy to spot a team that is fundamentally weak, that is.l a coaching issue.

I'm all for fundamentals and know they are important, but swiveling hips has nothing to do with tackling. Sorry, I don't believe you could have played the game at any decent level, or on defense, with the comments you just made. UM has tackled poorly at times, and quite well at times. That is not an indication of poor coaching of tackling.

I agree with PR on this point. It may not be an indication of poor coaching of tackling technique that causes the missed tackles that Griz fans complain about. But it's a coaching problem when the coaches tolerate it. Dion Sanders was probably coached a million times on proper tackling technique. He just never executed what he was taught.

So, during a college season, when your starters and best players who you believe are the best players to put you in position to win are not tackling with consistency, how does a coach not avoid "tolerating" it?

Ummmmmm... Practice! Work on it. I don't see why you have to constantly disregard the importance of fundamentals. It would be ridiculous to ignore coaching fundamentals at any level because you believe that they should know it by now.

 

[PlayerRep]

Who is responsible for making tackles? It's clear you never played the game.

Obviously it is the player who is responsible for making tackles. However, PR, it is very clear when the defense as a whole struggles with making tackles, breaking down, over pursuing, and over all poor pass coverage technique ( ie. swiveling your hips, positioning, and turning to face the ball) that fundamentals are lacking. I don't care if you are playing pop warner or in the nfl, if you don't focus on fundamentals and technique, you won't be successful. This whole blame game that Division I players should already know how to tackle, therefore we shouldn't have to work on it is a bunch of bs. Fundamental are the name of the game at all levels. Without them, you will have an average team at best. I coach different levels of youth basketball, baseball, and football. Yo can never underestimate fundamentals. When I have a player make a mistake or are fundamentally weak, I don't blame the player, I blame myself, the coach. And by the way PR, I have played the game. Players are going to make mistakes, it is part of the game. It is the coaches job to teach that player proper technique and skills to make that player better and to limit the mistakes. I am guessing that you are ( were) one of those athletes that felt you didn't need to work on fundamentals and already "knew" it alll. It is pretty easy to spot a team that is fundamentally weak, that is.l a coaching issue.

I'm all for fundamentals and know they are important, but swiveling hips has nothing to do with tackling. Sorry, I don't believe you could have played the game at any decent level, or on defense, with the comments you just made. UM has tackled poorly at times, and quite well at times. That is not an indication of poor coaching of tackling.

PR. Please note that my statement about swiveling of the hips is in regards to proper pass coverage technique and had nothing to do with tackling. If you are unaware that swiveling of the hips is a "fundamental" in pass protection then I question your claim to playing at a " decent level". Please read the entire response before responding with your drivel. Carry on.

Got it. Yes, related to coverage. Now, can you admit that what you posted about tackling is wrong? Also, swiveling hips is not a major component of college secondary play. Doesn't surprise me that you don't know that.

 

[signedbewildered]

"Who is responsible for making tackles? It's clear you never played the game."

I see your point, or at least I think I do without reading through all of the comments in this post. Physically and directly the player/tackler of course, same as catching passes, throwing away the ball so on and so forth.

But......one must consider players aren't born with the ability, the knowledge to do these things correctly and make a decision in a fraction of a second. Coaches can help with that, good coaches can. People/players need to be taught, they need direction.

So ponder this. Does all the fault lay entirely on Georgia players Mathews and Clemmons for not batting the ball down on 4th and 18 leading with 30 seconds left or should someone have reminded them, or coached them to bat it down, bat it down, bat it down!!!! in that situation?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gf5jnajTKJI" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Maybe they were coached well, maybe someone did just drill it into their heads prior to that and instinct to try and catch the ball just took over in the heat of the moment, I don't know that but to imply a kid should just know how to make a tackle isn't fair. If they don't do it properly it needs to be addressed (by a coach) again.....and again......and again.

As someone else had mentioned, the blame likely is spread around. It's not all the players, it's not all the coaches.....even when it comes to making tackles.

 

[GrizzleMoose]

Obviously it is the player who is responsible for making tackles. However, PR, it is very clear when the defense as a whole struggles with making tackles, breaking down, over pursuing, and over all poor pass coverage technique ( ie. swiveling your hips, positioning, and turning to face the ball) that fundamentals are lacking. I don't care if you are playing pop warner or in the nfl, if you don't focus on fundamentals and technique, you won't be successful. This whole blame game that Division I players should already know how to tackle, therefore we shouldn't have to work on it is a bunch of bs. Fundamental are the name of the game at all levels. Without them, you will have an average team at best. I coach different levels of youth basketball, baseball, and football. Yo can never underestimate fundamentals. When I have a player make a mistake or are fundamentally weak, I don't blame the player, I blame myself, the coach. And by the way PR, I have played the game. Players are going to make mistakes, it is part of the game. It is the coaches job to teach that player proper technique and skills to make that player better and to limit the mistakes. I am guessing that you are ( were) one of those athletes that felt you didn't need to work on fundamentals and already "knew" it alll. It is pretty easy to spot a team that is fundamentally weak, that is.l a coaching issue.

I'm all for fundamentals and know they are important, but swiveling hips has nothing to do with tackling. Sorry, I don't believe you could have played the game at any decent level, or on defense, with the comments you just made. UM has tackled poorly at times, and quite well at times. That is not an indication of poor coaching of tackling.

PR. Please note that my statement about swiveling of the hips is in regards to proper pass coverage technique and had nothing to do with tackling. If you are unaware that swiveling of the hips is a "fundamental" in pass protection then I question your claim to playing at a " decent level". Please read the entire response before responding with your drivel. Carry on.

Got it. Yes, related to coverage. Now, can you admit that what you posted about tackling is wrong? Also, swiveling hips is not a major component of college secondary play. Doesn't surprise me that you don't know that.

Not sure what you are referring to as me being wrong about tackling. And by the way, swiveling of the hips is a fundamental, not that you would understand that since you are so not into fundamentals. Guess no one needs to work on them at this "decent level" of football that you claim to be a part of.

 

[PlayerRep]

"Who is responsible for making tackles? It's clear you never played the game."

I see your point, or at least I think I do without reading through all of the comments in this post. Physically and directly the player/tackler of course, same as catching passes, throwing away the ball so on and so forth.

But......one must consider players aren't born with the ability, the knowledge to do these things correctly and make a decision in a fraction of a second. Coaches can help with that, good coaches can. People/players need to be taught, they need direction.

So ponder this. Does all the fault lay entirely on Georgia players Mathews and Clemmons for not batting the ball down on 4th and 18 leading with 30 seconds left or should someone have reminded them, or coached them to bat it down, bat it down, bat it down!!!! in that situation?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gf5jnajTKJI" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Maybe they were coached well, maybe someone did just drill it into their heads prior to that and instinct to try and catch the ball just took over in the heat of the moment, I don't know that but to imply a kid should just know how to make a tackle isn't fair. If they don't do it properly it needs to be addressed (by a coach) again.....and again......and again.

As someone else had mentioned, the blame likely is spread around. It's not all the players, it's not all the coaches.....even when it comes to making tackles.

If players tackle well in 2/3 of the games, and don't tackle well in 1/3 of the games, who's to blame?

 

[CV Griz Fan]

Obviously it is the player who is responsible for making tackles. However, PR, it is very clear when the defense as a whole struggles with making tackles, breaking down, over pursuing, and over all poor pass coverage technique ( ie. swiveling your hips, positioning, and turning to face the ball) that fundamentals are lacking. I don't care if you are playing pop warner or in the nfl, if you don't focus on fundamentals and technique, you won't be successful. This whole blame game that Division I players should already know how to tackle, therefore we shouldn't have to work on it is a bunch of bs. Fundamental are the name of the game at all levels. Without them, you will have an average team at best. I coach different levels of youth basketball, baseball, and football. Yo can never underestimate fundamentals. When I have a player make a mistake or are fundamentally weak, I don't blame the player, I blame myself, the coach. And by the way PR, I have played the game. Players are going to make mistakes, it is part of the game. It is the coaches job to teach that player proper technique and skills to make that player better and to limit the mistakes. I am guessing that you are ( were) one of those athletes that felt you didn't need to work on fundamentals and already "knew" it alll. It is pretty easy to spot a team that is fundamentally weak, that is.l a coaching issue.

I'm all for fundamentals and know they are important, but swiveling hips has nothing to do with tackling. Sorry, I don't believe you could have played the game at any decent level, or on defense, with the comments you just made. UM has tackled poorly at times, and quite well at times. That is not an indication of poor coaching of tackling.

I agree with PR on this point. It may not be an indication of poor coaching of tackling technique that causes the missed tackles that Griz fans complain about. But it's a coaching problem when the coaches tolerate it. Dion Sanders was probably coached a million times on proper tackling technique. He just never executed what he was taught.

So, during a college season, when your starters and best players who you believe are the best players to put you in position to win are not tackling with consistency, how does a coach not avoid "tolerating" it?

You could try another player, I guess. But you're correct. If your deemed best player at the position continues to not be able to tackle then your response is limited. But then again, who is assessing the player skills? In Dion's case, the other parts of his game arguably trumped his lack of tackling skills. One could argue that is the case with the UM players in question. The rest of their game trumps their weakness in other areas. Either way, I agree with you that it might not all be coaching on these defensive problems.

 

[Mr. Greenjeans]

Make Gregorak the head coach next year.

God you are an idiot. You really should not tell people that you played college ball because it just makes u look even worse. :roll:

Nice avatar, keep trolling douche bag. :shock:

 

[Maxim]

Didn't think I'd miss Colt Anderson as much as I do.

But, after today's game, I REALLY miss #19!

Speaking of 19, did you know Hermanson had 19 tackles today?

Who cares about stats u moron. Where was he on that 86 yard td play in the first half? He was deep contain as the safety on that side. So what if he had 19 tackle how many were tfl, how many picks did he have, how was his pass coverage today? But in reality i dont blame him i blame the coaching staff.

 

[Maxim]

Make Gregorak the head coach next year.

God you are an idiot. You really should not tell people that you played college ball because it just makes u look even worse. :roll:

Nice avatar, keep trolling douche bag. :shock:

Nice try, i have been a part of this board for a decade longer than u, and even longer than you pr pal. :thumb:

 

[Tokyogriz]

The coaching staff will stay the same. The outcomes of games will be pretty close to the same until this staff changes over in a few years.

Could this team have gotten past NDSU in their house.... eh....

Was this game poorly coached on our side... yes IMO

CCU played and was coached well.... and may have well won no matter what.

BUT... the referees for "Whatever" reason decided to step in and break the rules to influence the game outright. Not only ignoring penalties but actually breaking the rules to change the score.

 

[Copper Griz]

I never played the game at a "high level". Watched a lot of football and I remember watching the Seahawks practice in Cheney one year. Granted, it was summer prep for preseason, but they did some crazy drills. They had receivers actually catching from a machine that slung ball after ball at them. Receivers know how to catch, why would they do that? They had DB's running drill after drill on technique and pass coverage? Why would they do that? They are in the NFL. They should know technique for the love of God? My sarcastic and smart ass point is this. TG is ultimately responsible for the performance of the players on the field, not just schemes. The defense was exposed against good teams - period. Although it is a tough pill to swallow, the defense just was not that good. Not all TG's fault, but they better get busy recruiting and it would probably be a good idea to practice some tackling. We had three very talented linebackers this year and at least one of them had terrible technique (unless head down diving and whiffing is considered good technique). To say practicing fundamentals in college is not important or the coaches responsibility is ridiculous. I sure as hell hope the offensive line coaches don't have this philosophy of "they should already know this since they are playing for a D1 program."

 

[bigkid]

The defense practices against the offense. An offense which became predictable. Tye seems to have problems getting into a formation early in the game but adjusted fairly well at the half. I would hope as time goes on the defense would be able to make better on the field adjustments. Next year wll be interesting because we lose Coyle. I'm sorry to say but our corners were very average and didn't seem to give much run support. Hopefully this is addressed sooner than later. I have never heard of the players not practicing tackling. That would be foolish. That would be like a golfer not practicing putting.
All in all I think the defense was average and for the most part under achieved. I wouldn't say it was all on the coaches or all on the players. They are a unit and all bear the responsibility
The only thing I think most agree on is that defenses win championships and this was not a championship defense. Call it a work in progress :thumb: Personally I'm proud of this team. They were dealt a difficult hand and made the most of it. Thanks seniors for leaving a never quit attitude.
Go Griz!!